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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 30 2013 08:54 GMT
#4081
He's not as cool as JP until he does a DnD show
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
May 30 2013 09:14 GMT
#4082
Travis just needs to talk like he enjoys it. He always sounds like he just reads something from a piece of paper and isnt really bothered with it at all.
KCCO!
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 30 2013 09:16 GMT
#4083
On May 30 2013 18:14 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Travis just needs to talk like he enjoys it. He always sounds like he just reads something from a piece of paper and isnt really bothered with it at all.



He always talks like it's a personal conversation rather than an interview whenever he speaks with someone from clg, nick allen etc. Makes the interviews far more entertaining tbh.
hi
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 30 2013 09:19 GMT
#4084
On May 30 2013 15:22 Navi wrote:
oh i didnt know the commentary in american sports wasn't good. i mostly just watch korean esports and european football and the quality seems much higher on the whole.


I dont really know what these guys are on aboiut, I'd say the average sports broadcast kicks the shit out of the average eSports broadcast in terms of value, commentary, entertainment, and production value.

I like eSports, but we have randoms who happened to be roommates with some pro player two years ago doing all the reporting work. Real sports has a guy who spent 4 years getting a degree on how to be an expert broadcaster.

You ask any sports fan if they have any one call that sticks with the, stays in their mind more than the actual event itself and everyone has at least one of them.

I honestly have been watching eSports for probably five years, and I can't think of a single time watching eSports that this has been the case outside of Korea... Hell, aside from maybe korean commentators going nuts after Doublelifts OGN pentakill, but the Koreans have much better production value in eSports than we do.

For example, I could recite the entire call from the tying goal in an Oilers game from 2007, I have the call itself more memorized than the play however remarkable it was.



I've seen some equally remarkable, equally epic eSports moments, but none of them stick with me the same way. None. Thing is, my sports list could go on and on and on.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 09:26:25
May 30 2013 09:26 GMT
#4085
@iCanada

This still gives me the chill


Of course eSports can't compare to any high-quality tv-produced sports. If they were able too, we'd live in a strange world :p
hi
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 30 2013 09:33 GMT
#4086
The thing for me is... why are we okay with not being able to compete with real sports? Why do we relegate ourselfs to a category not as good like some teenage girl who lacks self confidence?

Ofcourse TV broadcasts have better production values... but shouldn't that quality of content be the goal?
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 09:46:33
May 30 2013 09:43 GMT
#4087
Of course. By the years, maybe eSports will catch up. But just think of the commentators; Deman has experience from CoD, Jatt is a former player with no experience at all, Joe Miller has some experience aswell, but it's minimal compared to being on TV. The standards for what you say, when you say it etc. is just so much higher because that's what regular people expect. Meanwhile i think it's new for almost everyone involved in the NA and EU LCS. Remember, Rome wasn't built in 1 day

EDIT: I also do think that the quality has gone up. Compare the Season 1 championship to LCS and you can definitely see the changes.
hi
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 30 2013 09:45 GMT
#4088
I don't think anyone is aspiring Esports to be below the standards of current sports, I just think the community (esports in general) has finally come to a point where watching only esports is feasible (streaming, LCS, WCS, all the tourneys now).

Now that we are able to watch it all the time, we want it to be ESPN/SkySports/SuperSports quality production and that just isn't gonna happen over night. Soooo much has changed for the better in the past few years. In 4 years we went from staying up until the wee hours of the night for 240p quality to free 720p quality with VODs, dedicated casters, schedules, interviews, recaps - all the things we love. It just takes time, and to be honest I am really impressed with how far the Esports community has come in just a few years.

Unrelated, I stepped into the SC2 thread about Khaldor's video of the popularity difference between LoL, SC2, and BW and holy moly. How did I spend so much time in those forums? I know the mods are doing the best I can but dayum.

Please TL LoL, don't let those evildoers in here!
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 10:08:48
May 30 2013 10:08 GMT
#4089
I like Khaldor but I really didn't like that video. It seemed dishonest in a way, I can't really explain it. Sort of felt like that paper you are writing where you know your argument is a crock of shit but you've got to argue it anyway so you only include the few things that support your argument while ignoring the rest.
Retvrn to Forvms
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 30 2013 10:10 GMT
#4090
On May 30 2013 18:43 Sponkz wrote:
The standards for what you say, when you say it etc. is just so much higher because that's what regular people expect.


Then what are we O.O
Useless wet fish.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23357 Posts
May 30 2013 10:12 GMT
#4091
i dont see the problem with the singed thing

ive never thought, shit, singed is using a tactic than lets him free farm but also gives us free kills, we're screwed

fucking singed freefarms all day against almost every champ anyway, and the best result you can get is to kill him early a few times before he starts doing that
so the only difference is he gets a bit more cs early but dies more

Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 30 2013 10:16 GMT
#4092
On May 30 2013 19:12 Slayer91 wrote:
i dont see the problem with the singed thing

ive never thought, shit, singed is using a tactic than lets him free farm but also gives us free kills, we're screwed

fucking singed freefarms all day against almost every champ anyway, and the best result you can get is to kill him early a few times before he starts doing that
so the only difference is he gets a bit more cs early but dies more

Next time I pick Jax only to end up against Singed I'll gladly welcome him doing that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 30 2013 10:26 GMT
#4093
On May 30 2013 19:10 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 18:43 Sponkz wrote:
The standards for what you say, when you say it etc. is just so much higher because that's what regular people expect.


Then what are we O.O



Regular people, who spends too much time on the internet
hi
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 30 2013 10:29 GMT
#4094
On May 30 2013 19:12 Slayer91 wrote:
i dont see the problem with the singed thing

ive never thought, shit, singed is using a tactic than lets him free farm but also gives us free kills, we're screwed

fucking singed freefarms all day against almost every champ anyway, and the best result you can get is to kill him early a few times before he starts doing that
so the only difference is he gets a bit more cs early but dies more


it's not about being a problem or anything of that sort
it's whether it's actually viable which I have very very hard time believing but as I said it would be kickass if someone could make it work
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 30 2013 10:33 GMT
#4095
Best e-sports commentary for me was when Tasteless solo-casted the first english GOM broodwar english broadcast. (The gom invitational I think...?). If I had been in a bar with some friends instead of in front of a computer in the early morning that would easily have taken #1 sports moment.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23357 Posts
May 30 2013 10:34 GMT
#4096
On May 30 2013 19:29 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 19:12 Slayer91 wrote:
i dont see the problem with the singed thing

ive never thought, shit, singed is using a tactic than lets him free farm but also gives us free kills, we're screwed

fucking singed freefarms all day against almost every champ anyway, and the best result you can get is to kill him early a few times before he starts doing that
so the only difference is he gets a bit more cs early but dies more


it's not about being a problem or anything of that sort
it's whether it's actually viable which I have very very hard time believing but as I said it would be kickass if someone could make it work


brkoen watch was infatuated with it but he always endedup feeding LOL
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 10:47:19
May 30 2013 10:35 GMT
#4097
Random but after reading you guys talk about lo3 I tuned in because I thought it might be interesting since a western team won against China and holy shit Synderen interview skills ftw. He speaks better english than any NA LCS Pro I've heard during the season. Zero "like like like" and so articulate. Scandis OP

I don't follow Dota 2 but isn't iG the reigning TI champ, how did they end up 8th in a 8 team Tournament on Hometurf :o
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 30 2013 10:53 GMT
#4098
As far as casters go Kobe and Jatt are MILES above everyone else. Rivington yells for no reason when there's nothing going on and uses phrases he thinks sound cool over and over and over ("on the backside"), Phreak is good but not Kobe/Jatt level, Deman's good but he really forces it when he thinks he's right, Joe Miller is awesome but also a bit argumentative at times. Montecristo and DoA are acceptable level as a pair.

I sometimes wish I pursued casting instead of going to get my doctorate because I'd blow everyone but Kobe and Jatt out of the water.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
May 30 2013 10:55 GMT
#4099
On May 30 2013 19:16 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 19:12 Slayer91 wrote:
i dont see the problem with the singed thing

ive never thought, shit, singed is using a tactic than lets him free farm but also gives us free kills, we're screwed

fucking singed freefarms all day against almost every champ anyway, and the best result you can get is to kill him early a few times before he starts doing that
so the only difference is he gets a bit more cs early but dies more

Next time I pick Jax only to end up against Singed I'll gladly welcome him doing that.

Vs a champ that singed can be even with or beat pre6 he doesn't need to proxy farm. I think this strategy is best used when counter picked vs say vlad, or jayce.
Moar banelings less qq
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23357 Posts
May 30 2013 10:58 GMT
#4100
On May 30 2013 19:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
As far as casters go Kobe and Jatt are MILES above everyone else. Rivington yells for no reason when there's nothing going on and uses phrases he thinks sound cool over and over and over ("on the backside"), Phreak is good but not Kobe/Jatt level, Deman's good but he really forces it when he thinks he's right, Joe Miller is awesome but also a bit argumentative at times. Montecristo and DoA are acceptable level as a pair.

I sometimes wish I pursued casting instead of going to get my doctorate because I'd blow everyone but Kobe and Jatt out of the water.


yeah its true
kobe is the best because hes a lot more charismatic tho
joe miller is 3rd but he was a beast in quake

you shoulda kept casting, dat soothing voice
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