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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 30 2013 15:51 GMT
#4121
On May 31 2013 00:49 xes wrote:
Sounds like they need to unclog the tubes to get better internets flowing


They don't need to empty the dump truck, I know that much.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 15:56:01
May 30 2013 15:55 GMT
#4122
On May 30 2013 19:08 Chrispy wrote:
I like Khaldor but I really didn't like that video. It seemed dishonest in a way, I can't really explain it. Sort of felt like that paper you are writing where you know your argument is a crock of shit but you've got to argue it anyway so you only include the few things that support your argument while ignoring the rest.

I watched it and sorta felt the same way. It seems like his argument was "There are way more SC matches to choose from, so OF COURSE they have less viewers than LoL. LoL is only popular because it's free to play and it's popularity as a game doesn't transfer over to it's popularity as an eSport at all!" He was well spoken but can't say I agree with the sentiment.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 15:59:21
May 30 2013 15:59 GMT
#4123
Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

Nice try, Marines
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
May 30 2013 16:00 GMT
#4124
On May 31 2013 00:55 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 19:08 Chrispy wrote:
I like Khaldor but I really didn't like that video. It seemed dishonest in a way, I can't really explain it. Sort of felt like that paper you are writing where you know your argument is a crock of shit but you've got to argue it anyway so you only include the few things that support your argument while ignoring the rest.

I watched it and sorta felt the same way. It seems like his argument was "There are way more SC matches to choose from, so OF COURSE they have less viewers than LoL. LoL is only popular because it's free to play and it's popularity as a game doesn't transfer over to it's popularity as an eSport at all!" He was well spoken but can't say I agree with the sentiment.


Yeah, honestly it's still kind of baffling how people can just attribute all of LoL's success to a F2P model. And to say that it doesn't transfer to it's popularity as an esport is absurd.

Keep in mind, every reporter will have their bias... It just seems that there is a lot of blaming League of Legends for simply being very successful while other games flounder.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 30 2013 16:01 GMT
#4125
Alright, you caught me.

Send in the Vessels~
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 16:03:09
May 30 2013 16:01 GMT
#4126
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

On May 30 2013 23:59 JonGalt wrote:
So we were talking about patch cycles. Just read the new DotA patch.

Good gravy that is a bajillion changes. It's like a brand new game hahaha. Blows my mind. Granted that's probably about 3-4 LoL patches, just all in one. Overwhelming to say the least.

One of the biggest things that stands out to me is how much Icefrog has altered the core mechanics of the game over the past year and a half. Not just hero and item changes, but drastically revamping the drafting process, assist gold, buybacks, XP range, etc.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 30 2013 16:04 GMT
#4127
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 30 2013 16:49 GMT
#4128
It's so easy to keep up when you've been playing for years and started with the physical disc + champion bundle. I literally have enough IP right now to buy the next two champions, and that's just from periodic ARAM binges.

I think a lot of veteran players who haven't taken breaks don't really appreciate how hard it is to flesh out a new account.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
May 30 2013 16:54 GMT
#4129
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.

Riot should release a champion that is based on Costco... that would be sweet... yeah.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 30 2013 16:54 GMT
#4130
There's all sorts of calculations of how much IP you need to buy all the things and it looks more like a career job than a game to get everything without RP.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 30 2013 17:00 GMT
#4131
On May 30 2013 18:19 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 15:22 Navi wrote:
oh i didnt know the commentary in american sports wasn't good. i mostly just watch korean esports and european football and the quality seems much higher on the whole.


I dont really know what these guys are on aboiut, I'd say the average sports broadcast kicks the shit out of the average eSports broadcast in terms of value, commentary, entertainment, and production value.

I like eSports, but we have randoms who happened to be roommates with some pro player two years ago doing all the reporting work. Real sports has a guy who spent 4 years getting a degree on how to be an expert broadcaster.

You ask any sports fan if they have any one call that sticks with the, stays in their mind more than the actual event itself and everyone has at least one of them.

I honestly have been watching eSports for probably five years, and I can't think of a single time watching eSports that this has been the case outside of Korea... Hell, aside from maybe korean commentators going nuts after Doublelifts OGN pentakill, but the Koreans have much better production value in eSports than we do.

For example, I could recite the entire call from the tying goal in an Oilers game from 2007, I have the call itself more memorized than the play however remarkable it was.
+ Show Spoiler +



I've seen some equally remarkable, equally epic eSports moments, but none of them stick with me the same way. None. Thing is, my sports list could go on and on and on.

I said interviewers, not commentators. I dunno how everyone got sidetracked onto commentating sports vs interviewing sports athletes.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 30 2013 17:05 GMT
#4132
On May 31 2013 01:54 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.

Riot should release a champion that is based on Costco... that would be sweet... yeah.


Passive: Bulk discount!
-Teammates are able to buy any item at X% the gold cost as long but it comes bundled in packs of Y

Q: Free trial
- Minions follow you for X seconds

W: Pizza break
- Heals you and nearby allies of X health and Y mana

E: No membership card
- Causes minions to walk away from you for X seconds

R: Free samples
- Enemy champions path to random locations on the map for X seconds
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JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 30 2013 17:05 GMT
#4133
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.


I don't even know what a reasonable price would be. 200? 300?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
May 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#4134
On May 31 2013 01:49 Seuss wrote:
It's so easy to keep up when you've been playing for years and started with the physical disc + champion bundle. I literally have enough IP right now to buy the next two champions, and that's just from periodic ARAM binges.

I think a lot of veteran players who haven't taken breaks don't really appreciate how hard it is to flesh out a new account.


Yeah it really is a grind, and it's not made any easier by runes and rune pages. Veteran players understand that all you need is armor seals, mres glyphs, ad marks, etcetc and those runes are the cheapest, but this isn't really explained well to new players. My friends who are new to the game saw the more expensive runes and thought "huh hp/level seals must be better than armor because they cost twice as much, I'm going to get those instead" and now they're out 15k+ IP on an assortment of runes they'll never use with only 2 pages.
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
May 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#4135
On May 31 2013 02:05 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:54 Dgiese wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.

Riot should release a champion that is based on Costco... that would be sweet... yeah.


Passive: Bulk discount!
-Teammates are able to buy any item at X% the gold cost as long but it comes bundled in packs of Y

Q: Free trial
- Minions follow you for X seconds

W: Pizza break
- Heals you and nearby allies of X health and Y mana

E: No membership card
- Causes minions to walk away from you for X seconds

R: Free samples
- Enemy champions path to random locations on the map for X seconds


I'd support CostcoChamp so hard, and eat pizza while doing so.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 17:13:00
May 30 2013 17:11 GMT
#4136
On May 31 2013 02:05 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.


I don't even know what a reasonable price would be. 200? 300?


100+ champs in the game, about half of those 6300 / 975 / $10 the other half can probably be estimated at half that so roughly $750

$750 fucking dollars to buy all the champs in the game.

I dont think even costco would go much below $500 there.

EDIT: Wait, there was a physical copy of league?
Useless wet fish.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 30 2013 17:17 GMT
#4137
On May 31 2013 02:11 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 02:05 JonGalt wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.


I don't even know what a reasonable price would be. 200? 300?


100+ champs in the game, about half of those 6300 / 975 / $10 the other half can probably be estimated at half that so roughly $750

$750 fucking dollars to buy all the champs in the game.

I dont think even costco would go much below $500 there.

EDIT: Wait, there was a physical copy of league?


In a bygone age. It came with a now-unavailable exclusive skin. ... Human Ryze? Black Alistar? Don't remember.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
May 30 2013 17:18 GMT
#4138
On May 31 2013 02:11 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 02:05 JonGalt wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.


I don't even know what a reasonable price would be. 200? 300?


100+ champs in the game, about half of those 6300 / 975 / $10 the other half can probably be estimated at half that so roughly $750

$750 fucking dollars to buy all the champs in the game.

I dont think even costco would go much below $500 there.

EDIT: Wait, there was a physical copy of league?

There was a collector's edition which came in a box. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Collector's_Edition
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 30 2013 17:24 GMT
#4139
On May 31 2013 02:18 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 02:11 Capped wrote:
On May 31 2013 02:05 JonGalt wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 31 2013 01:01 TheYango wrote:
On May 31 2013 00:01 AsmodeusXI wrote:
But more hilarious than that to me is like: "Oh, you wanna catch up with DotA, do you Valve? NO WAI."

At least Valve can catch up putting new heroes in DotA 2 faster than I can catch up buying new heroes that Riot puts out.

Face.

But that's just disparity in the business model. If LoL had an upfront cost to buy all of the champs in the game at a discount I would have been all over that. And based on the number of CostCo members in this forum they probably would have too lol.


I don't even know what a reasonable price would be. 200? 300?


100+ champs in the game, about half of those 6300 / 975 / $10 the other half can probably be estimated at half that so roughly $750

$750 fucking dollars to buy all the champs in the game.

I dont think even costco would go much below $500 there.

EDIT: Wait, there was a physical copy of league?

There was a collector's edition which came in a box. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Collector's_Edition


OH MAN FREE CRIT MARKS HOW'D I MISS THAT
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 30 2013 17:28 GMT
#4140
Right i want to use the chinese artwork for LoL. Its fucking kick ass
Useless wet fish.
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