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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 14:26:20
May 02 2013 14:26 GMT
#841
On May 02 2013 23:08 thenexusp wrote:
By the way, before you celebrate this PBE patch as the huge nerf the Lux finally deserves:

Show nested quote +
The change to Diana/Lux that is on PBE for testing is that their shields have lower values, but if the second trigger is met (3 orbs broken and boomerang double hitting respectively), the shields will stack instead of renew. Volty feels this opens up new opportunities for premeditated gameplay (like stacking a monster Lux shield on your team as you engage), while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility.


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=37320249#37320249


Lawl. Suck it, Wave.

Edit: <3
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 14:33:04
May 02 2013 14:28 GMT
#842
On May 02 2013 23:18 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 23:09 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 02 2013 23:06 Sponkz wrote:
On May 02 2013 22:39 obesechicken13 wrote:
This game is known to be one where nerfs are done frequently. I like complaining about nerfs too, but every patch has more nerfs than buffs. Significantly more.

You just have to live with it if you keep wanting to play this game.



Obviously you cannot point fingers at anyone, but the reason there's so many changes all the time, is because RIOT is trying to satisfy everyone, including the casual players. It's always been the issue with many games.

Back in Vanilla in WoW, you had to be a super super tryhard who had the ability to play every day for several hours, otherwise you wouldn't be able to see any raid content. I believe i read that less than 1% of the entire playerbase got to see level 60 Naxx. When the casual base became big enough at the release of TBC, it became gradually easier for the average casual gamer to play the game to its fullest.

It's somewhat similar in LoL except it has always been a very casual game, which only within 1-2 years became competitive, while still using their same way of marketing and design of their game. Surely they've gotten better, however since they keep releasing champions and making nerfs/reworks/buff to keep giving casuals something new, they destroy the game competitively because they make very drastic changes every month.


i don't see how the game is being destroyed in any way

the changes are usually quite minor which shows how close everything really is and FoTM affects everything a lot more than the nerfs. (look what happened to renekton, with I don't remember any changes)


My point was that almost every change is targetted towards what's fun and what's not fun. Trundle wasn't played enough, he wasn't fun to play (or appealing), so they re-worked him, hoping that more people will play him. Sure it might mean that he will be picked up by pro players and used competetively, but every change for RIOT is a way of changing the game so it's fun for everyone


EDIT: And what i mean with destroyed is that compare it to any other sports. Imagine them changing up the rules every month. Better just stick to one set of concepts instead of changing them all the time.


trundle was fine, they reworked for the lore thing they were going for he barely got changed and people are just hopping on the bandwagon, I was playing him before with good success.

sports is based on the premise of X humans vs X humans so all sports are mirror matchups so they don't need balancing.

chess was too but they still changed a few rules (pawn double move+enpassant, castling the most modern ones) because the game wasnt fun enough

Pros only play a select few champs because they need to skill their skill level up to snuff with each one so everytime you make one champion popular another champ becomes unpopular, so at the top level as long as its balanced people will pick up new heroes only if they like them because they are fun. "Favourite champion" means a lot. Froggen anivia, doublelift vayne wickd irelia etc. People stick to the FoTM when playing new champs because nobody wants to go test a champ until they already really like it or someone else has shown it to be good.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 02 2013 14:32 GMT
#843
I always thought it would make more sense if Lux's shield worked that way. Will be fun to play around with that
Wrag
Profile Joined February 2012
France124 Posts
May 02 2013 14:35 GMT
#844
On May 02 2013 23:18 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 23:09 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 02 2013 23:06 Sponkz wrote:
On May 02 2013 22:39 obesechicken13 wrote:
This game is known to be one where nerfs are done frequently. I like complaining about nerfs too, but every patch has more nerfs than buffs. Significantly more.

You just have to live with it if you keep wanting to play this game.



Obviously you cannot point fingers at anyone, but the reason there's so many changes all the time, is because RIOT is trying to satisfy everyone, including the casual players. It's always been the issue with many games.

Back in Vanilla in WoW, you had to be a super super tryhard who had the ability to play every day for several hours, otherwise you wouldn't be able to see any raid content. I believe i read that less than 1% of the entire playerbase got to see level 60 Naxx. When the casual base became big enough at the release of TBC, it became gradually easier for the average casual gamer to play the game to its fullest.

It's somewhat similar in LoL except it has always been a very casual game, which only within 1-2 years became competitive, while still using their same way of marketing and design of their game. Surely they've gotten better, however since they keep releasing champions and making nerfs/reworks/buff to keep giving casuals something new, they destroy the game competitively because they make very drastic changes every month.


i don't see how the game is being destroyed in any way

the changes are usually quite minor which shows how close everything really is and FoTM affects everything a lot more than the nerfs. (look what happened to renekton, with I don't remember any changes)


EDIT: And what i mean with destroyed is that compare it to any other sports. Imagine them changing up the rules every month. Better just stick to one set of concepts instead of changing them all the time.


Formula 1 has a lot of rules (about cars, races, tires, oil, drivers shoes, etc...) that can change every season. A significant part of those changes are direct attempts at 'changing the meta' as in making the sport more fun to watch or forcing additionnal decision making from teams when current optimal play was known. That doesn't necessarily destroy anything (I even prefer it to any ball game out there).
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 14:37:41
May 02 2013 14:35 GMT
#845
It will make it way easier to get the 6-7 applications you'll need in a teamfight to make it as cost efficient as other shields, that's for sure.

You'll actually be able to cast it before the fight starts now, and hitting people with the very end of the thing won't be dumb anymore.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 02 2013 14:38 GMT
#846
On May 02 2013 23:35 Ketara wrote:
It will make it way easier to get the 6-7 applications you'll need in a teamfight to make it as cost efficient as other shields, that's for sure.

You'll actually be able to cast it before the fight starts now.


One scary thing is that you can cast it a few seconds before the fight starts, and then cast it again just as the fight breaks out.
With max CDR and max rank E, there time window between shield fading and E being ready is really short.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
May 02 2013 14:42 GMT
#847
Shyvanna's new E is going to be % HP damage and no one is going to be surprised, hehehe.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 02 2013 14:43 GMT
#848
On May 02 2013 23:42 Juicyfruit wrote:
Shyvanna's new E is going to be % HP damage and no one is going to be surprised, hehehe.


"Cinders" will do %HP damage, shred armor, and have a decaying slow on it *nods*
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
May 02 2013 14:44 GMT
#849
I made new support cards for the unorthodox supports: fiddle, elise, kayle - here: http://spellsy.blogspot.com/2013/05/support-cards-4-unorthodox-supports.html .. i feel like you guys are really hipster might enjoy ?.. or are these not unorthodox enough!!! need shaco support ?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 02 2013 14:45 GMT
#850
Lissandra support card plx.

Love you Spellsy. Post more.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
May 02 2013 14:45 GMT
#851
On May 02 2013 23:44 spellsy wrote:
I made new support cards for the unorthodox supports: fiddle, elise, kayle - here: http://spellsy.blogspot.com/2013/05/support-cards-4-unorthodox-supports.html .. i feel like you guys are really hipster might enjoy ?.. or are these not unorthodox enough!!! need shaco support ?


can just watch athene for shaco support lel
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
May 02 2013 14:46 GMT
#852
On May 02 2013 23:45 Ketara wrote:
Lissandra support card plx.

Love you Spellsy. Post more.

played her like 2 times yesterday as support.

never again
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
May 02 2013 14:50 GMT
#853
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 14:52:37
May 02 2013 14:51 GMT
#854
On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports.

Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot.
The legend of Darien lives on
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
May 02 2013 15:03 GMT
#855
random question

how do u pronounce freljord?

frel lord
frel JORD
frel jerd
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 02 2013 15:03 GMT
#856
frel yord

learn to viking bro
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 02 2013 15:06 GMT
#857
On May 03 2013 00:03 justiceknight wrote:
random question

how do u pronounce freljord?

frel lord
frel JORD
frel jerd


The way they pronounce it in the video. O_O
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 02 2013 15:07 GMT
#858
On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports.

Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot.

And so is teemo, Riot really had no idea what it meant to be a support in the early days
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 02 2013 15:08 GMT
#859
YEAH SPELLSY, GET ON THAT TEEMO SUPPORT CARD
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 15:10:31
May 02 2013 15:10 GMT
#860
On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports.

Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot.

Well they both have been used as supports in competitive games .-.

You pronounce freljord as freljord, remember to roll the R
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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