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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Nautilus support... if Leona is banned Morgana support Dude, Quinn Teemo bot lane, initiate trade, blind them for 4 seconds. Laugh. If you're really innovative: Teemo AD with support Heimer, both at 40% CDR. If you don't stack blinds you can continuously blind a target forever. | ||
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Mensol
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help guys! | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:20 Mensol wrote: i have almost 6300 ip on my smurf, i have to decide highest skill ceiling champ then practice it. help guys! Syndra? That's a pretty high skill ceiling champ. TF? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:22 AsmodeusXI wrote: Syndra? That's a pretty high skill ceiling champ. TF? i was thinking syndra as well. On May 03 2013 00:22 Juicyfruit wrote: What's the reasoning behind going for a high ceiling champ? Smurfing is a pretty bad place to improve your mechanical skills, but a pretty good place if you want to focus on the basics. i dont have any particular reason. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:24 Mensol wrote: i was thinking syndra as well. i dont have any particular reason. I fucking love Syndra. Make sure you get Justicar though... such the good skin. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:28 sob3k wrote: Ziggs/Syndra/LB/Lee Orianna? | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:20 Mensol wrote: i have almost 6300 ip on my smurf, i have to decide highest skill ceiling champ then practice it. help guys! Go Darius. | ||
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kongoline
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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sob3k
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote: Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot. Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility. Before: you burst one half of the shield, do some damage, the shield renews, repeat. Or you can't burst it, the shield renews, you have half the shield to destroy. After: you burst one half of the shield, do some damage, the shield renews (stacks the same value on top of 0), repeat. Or you can't burst it, the shield stacks, you have half the shield+whatever was left to destroy. Rewarding counterplay HURR DURR. Not at all, it's just telling you "either you hit hard or you don't hit at all" even more. At least now you can retain your burst abilities/items until the shield renews, so you have less to burst. But if that changes goes through it won't be the case at all. On May 02 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: @alaric Nidalee is a fairly bad matchup for Viktor. She out pokes you and outmaneuvers you pretty much all game. Viktor has more wave clear and some more burst and actual CC, but none of that matters in lane if she never really gets close enough to punish, so don't judge my build off that game  Eh? I usually don't have any problems with her, because I can instaclear and roam too (she'll push my tower fairly fast so I'm dependant on my team here wrt wards and opportunities), and pre-6 Viktor destroys her. I planned to all-in her as soon as I hit 6, "knowing" I'd do it before her since the wave was pushing, 'cept if she gets more exp from 2-3 creeps she'll hit it first unless I run 21 util, which I didn't, so I was a bit ahead instead of hugely ahead (only shoved half a wave to her tower instead of 2.5), and the rest is... well, my team. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Was against a Ryze that I had a bunch of trouble to shove out of lane because he started ward+5 health pots+4 mana pots and he took E at level 2, letting him push the wave everytime we traded so I couldn't auto him too much, nor use E to counterpush (not enough mana against his pots), and Ryze isn't even suited for this kind of play/strong early on. I'll try flask/full pot openings, because the MS from boots isn't worth it if you can't properly abuse your opponent, and with how people tend to get better/more aggressive now, I find much harder to farm till around level 6 and 1k gold (what I used to do, abusing the 21 util to all-in at level 6, always forcing a back if not outright killing before the 9 pots opening, the going back and buying augment+ward/pots), especially with all those gank-heavy junglers being popular (a bit less so now, thanksfully). Plus, Viktor is still super vulnerable since W doesn't count as an escape (the casting animation and the prep-ing time on top of the low range make it so most gapclosing champs, and other like Nasus, can get on top of you/cc you anyway) and he has to push to bully people. Add to that the existence of bulwark, predominance of HP items amongst junglers, and unless they go full retard (like the wriggles/mercs/triforce who was jungling for Ryze) you can't ever 100-0 them during the midgame unless they are kind enough to sit in your ult for the full duration, and I don't think I'll call that 100-0 considering it takes 7 seconds (you even get another Q/E cast before it ends), while his kinda pathetic range makes it so he has a hard time reaching the backline (well we know he never was an initiator, too much delay on his stuff: Q travel time, E DoT, ult DoT component too, W horrendous priming time, so he's not the same kind of burst mage as Annie). I find that independantly from the current popular champs (we don't see as many Katarina anymore for example) he's just way weaker in s3 than s2 because his damage isn't as threatening in the midgame, making him fall off much faster. You can't really afford CDR or utility (Rylai/Grail) unless fed because it'll delay your damage until you've missed your window, your squishiness hurts a lot but there's no real tanky+damage option (Rylai is 80 AP on a 3k item, and RoA messes with your power curve). Of course we could consider Guise for the early burst, into later Liandry's, but if you're in for poke then there are far stronger, safer and/or (but most often and) better scaling options than him for that. At this point he falls off so hard I'd rather have LB than him in the late game, because she has better odds of reaching a target she can actually kill, has mobility to avoid people bursting you down in the cc+Q back and forth travel time window, and has more damage too (and immediate peel if needed). I'll try some other builds, but unless you're up against a comp that doesn't have many tanky champs (Ryze, Diana, etc. narrow your impact a ton as soon as they pick up some negatron item), has inferior wave clear and lacks mobility/other long range poke, I don't really see why you'd pick him anymore. He falls off too hard, too early, without bringing anything more than damage/poke in the midgame (only average poke), and his item timings and paths seem fucked up (especially how hard it is to have mana regen+augment, the new dring passive is pretty bad for pokers because you won't be killing stuff everytime you cast). Guess I'll try some augment+sorcs into either guise or rabadon, then the other. Also Ryze is a prick. 625 range Rune Prison means that you can't Q anything if he walks up to you during a teamfight, unless somebody else comes closer. :< | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
Why put so much time into a simple GD post responding to 2 lines of text? xD | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Ow. Why put so much time into a simple GD post responding to 2 lines of text? xD WTB conciseness. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:35 Alaric wrote: Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. This limits counterplay, because now you can't wait out the shield before bursting. HURR DURR RIOT I disagree, Viktor can instaclear pretty hard, and beats her pre-6. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Mass pot openers still v. strong against him. I should try a mass pot opener. I feel like Bulwark and high health builds really hurt his effectiveness, it's too hard to 100-0 people in the mid game now. He just seems much weaker in season 3 than he was in season 2. It's hard to get CDR on him early and he falls off without it late. Any suggestions? There, I concised it for you. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On May 03 2013 00:20 Mensol wrote: i have almost 6300 ip on my smurf, i have to decide highest skill ceiling champ then practice it. help guys! >_> Ashe. ...<_< | ||
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