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On May 03 2013 00:35 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports. Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot. Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. Show nested quote +while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility. This limits counterplay, because now you can't wait out the shield before bursting. HURR DURR RIOT Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:@alaric Nidalee is a fairly bad matchup for Viktor. She out pokes you and outmaneuvers you pretty much all game. Viktor has more wave clear and some more burst and actual CC, but none of that matters in lane if she never really gets close enough to punish, so don't judge my build off that game  I disagree, Viktor can instaclear pretty hard, and beats her pre-6. Nidalee is a jerk, though. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Mass pot openers still v. strong against him. Mass pot openers are stupid and make the game not fun. I should try a mass pot opener. If everybody else is being a jerk, I will too! I feel like Bulwark and high health builds really hurt his effectiveness, it's too hard to 100-0 people in the mid game now. Riot hates burst mages. He just seems much weaker in season 3 than he was in season 2. It's hard to get CDR on him early and he falls off without it late. It's real upsetting, I like Viktor, he feels so bad now. Any suggestions? I think it's hopeless, but maybe Soniv has some ideas.
How's that?
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Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence.
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Nami has 3 forms of cc's and the best single-target heal over time out of any support. I legit think it's just no one's found the right way to abuse her strengths. Everything in her kit, including her passive, is super useful, so there's no way she can be bad.
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daydreamin loves nami. i think he'll make her work someday
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On May 03 2013 00:59 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 00:35 Alaric wrote:On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports. Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot. Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility. This limits counterplay, because now you can't wait out the shield before bursting. HURR DURR RIOT On May 02 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:@alaric Nidalee is a fairly bad matchup for Viktor. She out pokes you and outmaneuvers you pretty much all game. Viktor has more wave clear and some more burst and actual CC, but none of that matters in lane if she never really gets close enough to punish, so don't judge my build off that game I disagree, Viktor can instaclear pretty hard, and beats her pre-6. Nidalee is a jerk, though. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Mass pot openers still v. strong against him. Mass pot openers are stupid and make the game not fun. I should try a mass pot opener. If everybody else is being a jerk, I will too! I feel like Bulwark and high health builds really hurt his effectiveness, it's too hard to 100-0 people in the mid game now. Riot hates burst mages. He just seems much weaker in season 3 than he was in season 2. It's hard to get CDR on him early and he falls off without it late. It's real upsetting, I like Viktor, he feels so bad now. Any suggestions? I think it's hopeless, but maybe Soniv has some ideas. How's that?
The language is still a bit tame compared to my standards, but I guess we'll think of the children and keep it as is.
Isn't Nami's heal one of the most expensive in terms of HP/mana/manapool, too? I remember it being clearly insufficient is used defensively, and needing at least one bounce to be worth the mana spent.
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When is the exact date for the All-Star matches in Shanghai?
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On May 03 2013 01:16 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 00:59 Ketara wrote:On May 03 2013 00:35 Alaric wrote:On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports. Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot. Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility. This limits counterplay, because now you can't wait out the shield before bursting. HURR DURR RIOT On May 02 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:@alaric Nidalee is a fairly bad matchup for Viktor. She out pokes you and outmaneuvers you pretty much all game. Viktor has more wave clear and some more burst and actual CC, but none of that matters in lane if she never really gets close enough to punish, so don't judge my build off that game I disagree, Viktor can instaclear pretty hard, and beats her pre-6. Nidalee is a jerk, though. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Mass pot openers still v. strong against him. Mass pot openers are stupid and make the game not fun. I should try a mass pot opener. If everybody else is being a jerk, I will too! I feel like Bulwark and high health builds really hurt his effectiveness, it's too hard to 100-0 people in the mid game now. Riot hates burst mages. He just seems much weaker in season 3 than he was in season 2. It's hard to get CDR on him early and he falls off without it late. It's real upsetting, I like Viktor, he feels so bad now. Any suggestions? I think it's hopeless, but maybe Soniv has some ideas. How's that? The language is still a bit tame compared to my standards, but I guess we'll think of the children and keep it as is. Isn't Nami's heal one of the most expensive in terms of HP/mana/manapool, too? I remember it being clearly insufficient is used defensively, and needing at least one bounce to be worth the mana spent.
Unless you have tear/chalice/philo(at LEAST 2) you can't really use it just for healing.If they made her autos better she'd be a lot stronger because you would be able to poke by yourself.Maybe increase her auto range slightly or just give her a better animation.
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Riot are #1 trolls. Release a patch that gives Anivia a terrible new voice while simultaneously releasing a new 1820 skin with a good voice and a better attack animation.
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On May 03 2013 01:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence.
Nami's strength is in her press-R-and-win full screen initiation.
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Lol, Riot matchmaking is hilarious sometimes.
Few friends of mine were playing last night, and they somehow run into the 17th ranked Challenger tier player in 5 man premade. Dear god, the horror that must have been.
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speaking of viktor, saw him in an LPL game last week: WOA vs Wayi.
a lot of great viktor plays in that match. WOA went with a semi-aoe comp with Jarvan/Viktor/MF, support Elise and Renekton.
you might say "well who cares WOA and Wayi are last place" but it was a good game and there were a lot of good plays made.
On May 03 2013 01:58 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence. Nami's strength is in her press-R-and-win full screen initiation.
in league of gap closers, a knockup and slow isn't particularly hard to deal with. you need to hit multi-man bubble after the tidal wave which can be very difficult. and the tidal wave isn't too hard to dodge.
her laning phase is also tough unless you have good synergy with your adc. someone like kog/varus, plus you need actual synergy with the player playing the adc to recognize when to use tidecaller's blessing appropriately, or whether you can bait heal/trades and you can trust your adc to stand close to get the bounce.
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On May 03 2013 01:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence.
The suckiest support is called Soraka not Nami.
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On May 03 2013 02:56 Zhiroo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence. The suckiest support is called Soraka not Nami.
lol i disagree,i prefer soraka than nami cos of free hp and mana so i no need recall every trade i made
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On May 03 2013 02:29 kainzero wrote:speaking of viktor, saw him in an LPL game last week: WOA vs Wayi. a lot of great viktor plays in that match. WOA went with a semi-aoe comp with Jarvan/Viktor/MF, support Elise and Renekton. you might say "well who cares WOA and Wayi are last place" but it was a good game and there were a lot of good plays made. Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:58 Sufficiency wrote:On May 03 2013 01:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Fizz and Nami are fish so they both suck, but I heard Nami was one of the most suckiest support there is. I prefer Zyra or Elise over Nami everyday. They both have same or better control than nami, but with way more damage and lane presence. Nami's strength is in her press-R-and-win full screen initiation. in league of gap closers, a knockup and slow isn't particularly hard to deal with. you need to hit multi-man bubble after the tidal wave which can be very difficult. and the tidal wave isn't too hard to dodge. her laning phase is also tough unless you have good synergy with your adc. someone like kog/varus, plus you need actual synergy with the player playing the adc to recognize when to use tidecaller's blessing appropriately, or whether you can bait heal/trades and you can trust your adc to stand close to get the bounce.
Title wave isn't the best as an initiation tool, but it's an amazing counter-engage for all those dive and gap closers.
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On May 03 2013 00:59 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 00:35 Alaric wrote:On May 02 2013 23:51 mr_tolkien wrote:On May 02 2013 23:50 Juicyfruit wrote:
Galio, Lux and Annie are pretty decent off-the-beat supports for when you're bored of regular supports. Galio and Lux are actually listed as supports by Riot. Riot support != LoL community support. Orianna, Nami, Morgana are supports, Leona, Zyra, Fiddlesticks aren't. while making aggressive counterplay more rewarding since hitting a Lux shield with the projectile still airborne can feel like an exercise in futility. This limits counterplay, because now you can't wait out the shield before bursting. HURR DURR RIOT On May 02 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:@alaric Nidalee is a fairly bad matchup for Viktor. She out pokes you and outmaneuvers you pretty much all game. Viktor has more wave clear and some more burst and actual CC, but none of that matters in lane if she never really gets close enough to punish, so don't judge my build off that game I disagree, Viktor can instaclear pretty hard, and beats her pre-6. Nidalee is a jerk, though. TL;DR: Viktor y u become good-for-nothing so soon while still being fucked over by huge sustain starts? :< I'm starting to think Viktor is super weak, though. Mass pot openers still v. strong against him. Mass pot openers are stupid and make the game not fun. I should try a mass pot opener. If everybody else is being a jerk, I will too! I feel like Bulwark and high health builds really hurt his effectiveness, it's too hard to 100-0 people in the mid game now. Riot hates burst mages. He just seems much weaker in season 3 than he was in season 2. It's hard to get CDR on him early and he falls off without it late. It's real upsetting, I like Viktor, he feels so bad now. Any suggestions? I think it's hopeless, but maybe Soniv has some ideas. How's that?
Lol
I don't necessarily disagree with you Alaric - S3 has been rough for Viktor. I still run MS quints and boots 3 start with him. It can be tough in some match ups, especially when I'm stuck in old ways and refuse to get W until lvl 8 (which has resulted in my demise a few times).
But idk, he's still viable, his laser is still ridiculous. His W - ult combo is amazing (and chaos storm moves waaaaaay faster than tibbers).
I just started grabbing Alacrity boots on him (I forgot they existed until an enemy Ryze got them and he was zooming around the place), which is really nice for his sticking power and stuff.
*shrug* I still love the mechanized russian. I wanted to play him today but I've been last pick all my games, so support bitch for me!
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Does anyone know if there's a good way to find Diamond 1 players for a team? I imagine a reddit post wouldn't get upvoted enough..
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On May 03 2013 03:30 EquilasH wrote:
Does anyone know if there's a good way to find Diamond 1 players for a team? I imagine a reddit post wouldn't get upvoted enough..
make a teamliquid post and offer payment to player
I kid, I kid.
Um, adding people who you know are good players or you enjoy playing with in soloq (i know i know) and putting your status as D1 Mid LFTeam (which is what I did) and hopefully after some time you'll get a message from someone (like I luckily did) asking something like "hey dude we've got a ad, jungler, and top but we're still looking for a mid and support. Want to try and get something going?".
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Okay, i'll open syndra and kill people.
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