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On March 24 2013 05:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I think Nocturne actually has quite a bit of potential, even if his damage is kinda meh now. The vision-reduction component of his ult can make for some really nice engaging in tandem with some other champs (theory).
You can ult, another assassin or diver can go in on a squishy while the enemy team is vision limited, you dash to them and kill the squishy. Enemy can't do anything because their peelers and stuff can't see.
I think people don't abuse his ulti enough, they're always using it for the "gap close"; when in reality, you can seriously just use it for the midlaner to avoid botlane wards, or something, without being part the gank.
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On March 24 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote:
I think people don't abuse his ulti enough, they're always using it for the "gap close"; when in reality, you can seriously just use it for the midlaner to avoid botlane wards, or something, without being part the gank.
It's on such a long cooldown that using it for that makes it 100% obvious.
Like sure, you might get away with it once where the enemy team thinks you're just bad and didn't ult to anyone. But that would never work twice against the same team once you did it the first time.
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On March 23 2013 21:58 wussleeQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2013 20:39 Chrispy wrote:On March 23 2013 20:16 kongoline wrote:
i seriously believe gp might be worst champion in game right now Nahhh. He's okay, he has some match ups that I try to avoid but most lanes even if it's difficult you can at least go even and farm by maxing W. Season 3 Gangplank's actually my highest winrate lol. what matchups are bad? i enjoy playing gp but not sure what to not pick against
Gangplank vs Bruisers really sucks. Riven, Jarvan, Darius, Irelia all outdamage GP, your best chance is to eat them oranges, last hit with Q and tank up with funfire cape and frozen fist.
He can do better vs mages, but people like Rumble/Elise are going to punish you and you need to max W too.
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The secret to dodging bad matchups is to go GP mid.
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On March 24 2013 05:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
I think Nocturne actually has quite a bit of potential, even if his damage is kinda meh now. The vision-reduction component of his ult can make for some really nice engaging in tandem with some other champs (theory).
You can ult, another assassin or diver can go in on a squishy while the enemy team is vision limited, you dash to them and kill the squishy. Enemy can't do anything because their peelers and stuff can't see.
Problem is that if their squishy is far enough away from their tanks that they can't peel through Nocturne's ult, they're out of position since his ult's dash has a travel time. Another problem is that even though Nocturne can jump over wards, the other person probably can't and he'd have to have like J4 range initiation to actually start hitting the carry before nocturne dies.
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On March 24 2013 05:53 TheYango wrote:
The secret to dodging bad matchups is to go GP mid.
Eh I mean Season 2 I only played GP mid and most mids weren't prepared for it.
Season 3 you're not fooling anyone with him mid and enemy mids and AP's have much better options and they'll usually have more than enough sustain. And your burst is never enough to kill the enemy compare, compare this to every other AD mid out there.
GP mid isn't horrible and once again if you're losing you can just max W but I wouldn't recommend it.
A smart player will just push the lane as hard as he can, leave you to last hit at turret while he roams and kills your team.
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On March 24 2013 05:44 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote:
I think people don't abuse his ulti enough, they're always using it for the "gap close"; when in reality, you can seriously just use it for the midlaner to avoid botlane wards, or something, without being part the gank. It's on such a long cooldown that using it for that makes it 100% obvious. Like sure, you might get away with it once where the enemy team thinks you're just bad and didn't ult to anyone. But that would never work twice against the same team once you did it the first time.
Could work on doublelane ganks.
TF in mid lane.
Nocturne Ultis near top.
TF split ganks bot.
But everytime I see TF+Noct combo, it's almost always used on same lane.
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On March 24 2013 06:37 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 05:44 TheYango wrote:On March 24 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote:
I think people don't abuse his ulti enough, they're always using it for the "gap close"; when in reality, you can seriously just use it for the midlaner to avoid botlane wards, or something, without being part the gank. It's on such a long cooldown that using it for that makes it 100% obvious. Like sure, you might get away with it once where the enemy team thinks you're just bad and didn't ult to anyone. But that would never work twice against the same team once you did it the first time. Could work on doublelane ganks. TF in mid lane. Nocturne Ultis near top. TF split ganks bot. But everytime I see TF+Noct combo, it's almost always used on same lane.
Concentrating your resources in one lane creates a higher chance of success. At the same time, it also means a much easier transition to follow-up plays (typically around objectives like a tower or objectives).
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On March 24 2013 06:39 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 06:37 wei2coolman wrote:On March 24 2013 05:44 TheYango wrote:On March 24 2013 05:43 wei2coolman wrote:
I think people don't abuse his ulti enough, they're always using it for the "gap close"; when in reality, you can seriously just use it for the midlaner to avoid botlane wards, or something, without being part the gank. It's on such a long cooldown that using it for that makes it 100% obvious. Like sure, you might get away with it once where the enemy team thinks you're just bad and didn't ult to anyone. But that would never work twice against the same team once you did it the first time. Could work on doublelane ganks. TF in mid lane. Nocturne Ultis near top. TF split ganks bot. But everytime I see TF+Noct combo, it's almost always used on same lane. Concentrating your resources in one lane creates a higher chance of success. At the same time, it also means a much easier transition to follow-up plays (typically around objectives like a tower or objectives).
I suppose so, but with ganking global comps, generally you want to preserve laning phase as long as possible, so sometimes it's better just to keep getting individual kills in lane, and prolong laning phase rather than pushing hard on lanes.
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Preferring a longer laning phase and deliberately "extending" laning phase by not taking objectives and increasing your advantage when you are powerful enough to are not the same thing.
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On March 24 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
Preferring a longer laning phase and deliberately "extending" laning phase by not taking objectives and increasing your advantage when you are powerful enough to are not the same thing.
I suppose your right, but I'd argue prolonging laning phase is an objective in itself, it's value though is purely a gold objective, not necessarily map or strategic advantage.
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noc's ult is like 5 seconds long (not completely sure).
a gap close/ stealth is incredibly good if the enemy doesnt even know where you are or if you use it. like for example if you see rengar ult, "you're like shit we need to get away", or if you see khazix jumping, you're like "okay we gotta stop him". if you don't see it happen, its a lot harder (maybe even close to impossible) to stop.
for example you could have a khazix. noc ults, he stealths, then leaps onto the squishy. you time it so your dash gets you to the squishy the moment he does and you kill the squishy. if khazix gets the kill, he even has the option to just leap away. otherwise, you're now in a 5v4 and you've got the enemy team sandwiched.
also holy crap xerath's range is even bigger than it looks this is crazy
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I need a recommentation what top laners i should add to my pool. Right now im playing renekton singed rumble and elise. shen i play sometimes, but usually he is banned, and if he isnt, im not even that sure whether he is good for soloQ (would certainly play him for 5on5 ranked).
now i have been thinking of adding maybe another 1-3 champions. was thinking of trying kennen, nasus, nidalee, maybe jax?
what do you guys think?
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On March 24 2013 08:54 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I need a recommentation what top laners i should add to my pool. Right now im playing renekton singed rumble and elise. shen i play sometimes, but usually he is banned, and if he isnt, im not even that sure whether he is good for soloQ (would certainly play him for 5on5 ranked).
now i have been thinking of adding maybe another 1-3 champions. was thinking of trying kennen, nasus, nidalee, maybe jax?
what do you guys think?
Add in Nasus, Nidalee and Jacye and you have every base covered. Maybe Khazix and Zed too.
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On March 24 2013 08:54 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I need a recommentation what top laners i should add to my pool. Right now im playing renekton singed rumble and elise. shen i play sometimes, but usually he is banned, and if he isnt, im not even that sure whether he is good for soloQ (would certainly play him for 5on5 ranked).
now i have been thinking of adding maybe another 1-3 champions. was thinking of trying kennen, nasus, nidalee, maybe jax?
what do you guys think?
Jayce, Zed, Nasus, Jax, Vlad, Kennen all very strong IMO. I'll still never recommend anyone to sell their soul to the Nidalee-devil.
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On March 24 2013 09:06 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 08:54 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I need a recommentation what top laners i should add to my pool. Right now im playing renekton singed rumble and elise. shen i play sometimes, but usually he is banned, and if he isnt, im not even that sure whether he is good for soloQ (would certainly play him for 5on5 ranked).
now i have been thinking of adding maybe another 1-3 champions. was thinking of trying kennen, nasus, nidalee, maybe jax?
what do you guys think? Jayce, Zed, Nasus, Jax, Vlad, Kennen all very strong IMO. I'll still never recommend anyone to sell their soul to the Nidalee-devil.
I agree.
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Still learning Jayce. Can't win consistently. His laning feels fine though.
I tried a bit of Quinn today.
Side note: I guess she's the fourth transformer in the game next to Elise Jayce and Nidalee. If you count Shyvana that's 5. Enough for a team. They all lack hard cc (except Elise) because they get more damage from skills.
Looking at her numbers, a 35% attack speed buff that lasts for 3 seconds looks really weak for an ADC. Even if theoretically you can keep it up for long periods of time with lucky passive procs. Her escapes are also weak, and I'm not used to harassing with her Q. I don't think its as good as other harass. She might be viable but I think that'd be more due to her utility in terms of movement speed and sight vision and a very hard to hit AoE blind (blocked by units and dodgeable since its a skillshot).
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On March 24 2013 09:06 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2013 08:54 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I need a recommentation what top laners i should add to my pool. Right now im playing renekton singed rumble and elise. shen i play sometimes, but usually he is banned, and if he isnt, im not even that sure whether he is good for soloQ (would certainly play him for 5on5 ranked).
now i have been thinking of adding maybe another 1-3 champions. was thinking of trying kennen, nasus, nidalee, maybe jax?
what do you guys think? Jayce, Zed, Nasus, Jax, Vlad, Kennen all very strong IMO. I'll still never recommend anyone to sell their soul to the Nidalee-devil.
Irelia is a solid choice too; though she has been on sort of the weak end recently. Kat is a good choice as well (if you build like Voyboy).
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