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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Cleaver is bad on Nocturne, he has no way to get it stacked quickly and he needs to be tanky. I'm not sure what level you play on where you get away with building Bruta out of jungle without getting kills | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
Have they done that multiple times? Any idea when they might do it again? I need another rune page :D | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:11 Bladeorade wrote: Brut is only 1300 gold... out of the jungle... you serious? Cleaver is bad on Nocturne, he has no way to get it stacked quickly and he needs to be tanky. I'm not sure what level you play on where you get away with building Bruta out of jungle without getting kills Practically speaking there's no real reason to run Nocturne in the jungle if you're not going to farm him hard enough for him to be at least somewhat of a damage threat. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:14 Complete wrote: Hey guys, remember a few months ago when they did a buy 2 rune pages for a price of one? Have they done that multiple times? Any idea when they might do it again? I need another rune page :D That was probably the only time it has ever been done. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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Kyhron
United States945 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:21 JonGalt wrote: Also, what are the viewer numbers for LCS nowadays? Over 110k right now while theres a ton of streams going on about stuff going on at PAX | ||
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incinerate_
172 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:14 Complete wrote: Hey guys, remember a few months ago when they did a buy 2 rune pages for a price of one? Have they done that multiple times? Any idea when they might do it again? I need another rune page :D According to this riot post there should be another one in April 'or so'. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:11 Bladeorade wrote: Brut is only 1300 gold... out of the jungle... you serious? Cleaver is bad on Nocturne, he has no way to get it stacked quickly and he needs to be tanky. I'm not sure what level you play on where you get away with building Bruta out of jungle without getting kills I thought it was a pretty well established fact that Nocturne NEEDS early kills/assists to be effective, and one that does not get any is pretty much screwed? Isn't that why everyone stopped playing him S2? Now S3 at least has some snowball items for him. Also it's not that hard to stack BC on a target with him. Ult = 1 stack Follow up auto = 1 stack Q = 1 stack W = 20% AS steroid + passive AS bonus. Combine that with a fear, I feel I can find the 2 more auto's near 100% of the time. I find most times I dive an adc with a BC Noc I not only get full stacks, but kill them (something I found hard in S2, I coudl always get them low but often not kill). At a minimum they will have to run thier ass off and you can peel an adc out of the fight. Also his passive could proc a BC stack on the entire team, although I don't really use it for that prupose. I know BC is prolly not the best, but I have had good luck with it. I <3 it as it gives Noc some needed health, CDR to bring his ult back to pre-nerf c/d, armor shred, armor pen, and everything you could really want. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
50 AD, 10% CDR, passive burn for 1500 gold compared to 25 AD, 10% CDR, 10 armor pen for 1337 gold The health and mana regen I call roughly even with the armor from madreds, going to regen you similar amounts as to the reduced damage you take with madreds, solves any mana issues you may have as well. So if you are snowballing, go for elder lizard if you haven't gone back yet. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:29 bobbob wrote: If you are going to go brut out of the jungle, just go spirit of the lizard elder over madreds, then skip brut. On J4 the clear time for spirit/madreds is pretty much the same, and Lizard Elder gives better stats for the gold. 50 AD, 10% CDR, passive burn for 1500 gold compared to 25 AD, 10% CDR, 10 armor pen for 1337 gold The health and mana regen I call roughly even with the armor from madreds, going to regen you similar amounts as to the reduced damage you take with madreds, solves any mana issues you may have as well. So if you are snowballing, go for elder lizard if you haven't gone back yet. For J4 in particular I think Brut>BC fit better because of the armor shred. Combine that with his Q shred and it's pretty nasty. Maxed Q + an auto would be 36% armor shred. Hell if you hit 3-4 people with E+Q you will get 31% on everyone, and 36% on the first person you auto. Although BotRK is pretty funny too, can make it so at high levels his first auto will do a full 15% health. For an "offensive support" jungler, I like the idea my whole team benefits from the armor shreds, vs just doing some true damage. Edit: Also the armor on Madred's is one of the big things I think with J4. Combine that with his lvl 3+ pole, and you take like 0 damage from the jungle, only buff camps and drag/baron will harm you. Edit 2: I guess I like to think of BC from a jungler side as the offensive version of Locket. You get CDR and health on both. Locket provides armor, health regen, and a team shield, whereas BC provides Armor Pen+AD as well as an enemy team armor shred. I tend to build into BC when we are ahead, and Locket when behind. Unless I'm Xin or something, than I always build just locket. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
the only reason not to get elder lizard is if you dont want both spirit stone and madreds | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:20 Craton wrote: That was probably the only time it has ever been done. They said some weeks ago that they were going to do it in the upcoming month, so... soonish? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
(not that i even have runes to fill them up with >_>) | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:32 Diamond wrote: For J4 in particular I think Brut>BC fit better because of the armor shred. Combine that with his Q shred and it's pretty nasty. Maxed Q + an auto would be 36% armor shred. Hell if you hit 3-4 people with E+Q you will get 31% on everyone, and 36% on the first person you auto. Although BotRK is pretty funny too, can make it so at high levels his first auto will do a full 15% health. For an "offensive support" jungler, I like the idea my whole team benefits from the armor shreds, vs just doing some true damage. Edit: Also the armor on Madred's is one of the big things I think with J4. Combine that with his lvl 3+ pole, and you take like 0 damage from the jungle, only buff camps and drag/baron will harm you. Edit 2: I guess I like to think of BC from a jungler side as the offensive version of Locket. You get CDR and health on both. Locket provides armor, health regen, and a team shield, whereas BC provides Armor Pen+AD as well as an enemy team armor shred. I tend to build into BC when we are ahead, and Locket when behind. Unless I'm Xin or something, than I always build just locket. Except locket is 1850 gold and Black Cleaver is 3000. 3K worth of offensive stats on a jungler :/ meh On March 24 2013 04:18 TheYango wrote: Practically speaking there's no real reason to run Nocturne in the jungle if you're not going to farm him hard enough for him to be at least somewhat of a damage threat. And we don't see much Nocturne anymore do we. He can't farm/gank enough to become a tanky enough while still being a threat. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 24 2013 05:16 Bladeorade wrote: Except locket is 1850 gold and Black Cleaver is 3000. 3K worth of offensive stats on a jungler :/ meh And we don't see much Nocturne anymore do we. He can't farm/gank enough to become a tanky enough while still being a threat. Still see him a lot in soloq even if he isn't played competitively. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
You can ult, another assassin or diver can go in on a squishy while the enemy team is vision limited, you dash to them and kill the squishy. Enemy can't do anything because their peelers and stuff can't see. | ||
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komokun
France343 Posts
On March 24 2013 04:24 Kyhron wrote: Over 110k right now while theres a ton of streams going on about stuff going on at PAX That's only twitch viewership, I saw it peak around 130k, you also need to add 25-30k viewer on youtube (and another 10k on french stream and probably other languages as well) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 24 2013 05:21 ticklishmusic wrote: I think Nocturne actually has quite a bit of potential, even if his damage is kinda meh now. The vision-reduction component of his ult can make for some really nice engaging in tandem with some other champs (theory). You can ult, another assassin or diver can go in on a squishy while the enemy team is vision limited, you dash to them and kill the squishy. Enemy can't do anything because their peelers and stuff can't see. Zoom zoom instant counter gank! | ||
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