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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 21 2013 02:47 GMT
#661
On March 21 2013 11:31 xes wrote:
How does http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/search calculate winrate? I thought that was hidden?

The stuff is kinda bad anyway, it said my "typical" jungler was Olaf... when I'm ~60% in ranked with Olaf top, and only jungled Mundo and Vi (and a lot of Udyr/Vi/Trundle in normals).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 21 2013 02:53 GMT
#662
On March 21 2013 11:31 xes wrote:
How does http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/search calculate winrate? I thought that was hidden?

It might be one of those thigns that gets sent but not displayed, like normal elo used to.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#663
On March 21 2013 11:13 Juicyfruit wrote:
Ok who's the guy who made support LeeSin a thing?

I played it a couple times in normals back around mid season 2. I thought it was a pretty lulzy strategy. In couple of games, actually got enough kills to afford BT, and ended up carrying game.

Kennen support is secret op'd though.
liftlift > tsm
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 03:03:52
March 21 2013 03:01 GMT
#664
On March 21 2013 11:20 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:14 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey guys. How are bruisers viable when they have to build offensive and defensive units but tanks and carries only have to build one or the other?

The multiplicative scaling on both tanks and damage dealers is massive. By the time you get a 100% increase in damage from items (1BT) and another one (one PD or LW or w/e) you'll get 2*2=4x damage. +300% in total. But if you get a warmogs and BT you get +100% damage and +100% defense. This means that you get +200% in total.

This confuses me a lot. I know being just tanky enough lets you do things you otherwise wouldn't be able to do like clear creeps in a respectable amount of time or survive all of Kennen's burst so you can kill him afterwards, but is that enough?

Better base stats and more utility/free stats in kits.


Exactly this. It makes no sense that I get to build BC+LW on Wukong as my first items if I'm doing well, and still be somewhat tanky. Then there is "assassin" Xin Zhao, who dives into a team and becomes an unkillable tank that is murdering your carry in the process.

Seriously, if Wukong even breaks even in laning phase, he is the most ridiculous bruiser in the game. Fuck that thing.

On March 21 2013 11:36 Kenpark wrote:
New "Grilled" Interview from Thorin with Ocelote is up.

http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/287.htm

Pretty informative as always.

26:47 Praise that he is at his best in big games. :>>>>

Also appearently he considers himself top 3 mid in eu along with Alex and Froggen.



And then Xpeke showed up, lol.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 21 2013 03:16 GMT
#665
On March 21 2013 12:01 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:20 Gahlo wrote:
On March 21 2013 11:14 obesechicken13 wrote:
Hey guys. How are bruisers viable when they have to build offensive and defensive units but tanks and carries only have to build one or the other?

The multiplicative scaling on both tanks and damage dealers is massive. By the time you get a 100% increase in damage from items (1BT) and another one (one PD or LW or w/e) you'll get 2*2=4x damage. +300% in total. But if you get a warmogs and BT you get +100% damage and +100% defense. This means that you get +200% in total.

This confuses me a lot. I know being just tanky enough lets you do things you otherwise wouldn't be able to do like clear creeps in a respectable amount of time or survive all of Kennen's burst so you can kill him afterwards, but is that enough?

Better base stats and more utility/free stats in kits.


Exactly this. It makes no sense that I get to build BC+LW on Wukong as my first items if I'm doing well, and still be somewhat tanky. Then there is "assassin" Xin Zhao, who dives into a team and becomes an unkillable tank that is murdering your carry in the process.

Seriously, if Wukong even breaks even in laning phase, he is the most ridiculous bruiser in the game. Fuck that thing.

Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:36 Kenpark wrote:
New "Grilled" Interview from Thorin with Ocelote is up.

http://www.aceresport.com/uk/content/287.htm

Pretty informative as always.

26:47 Praise that he is at his best in big games. :>>>>

Also appearently he considers himself top 3 mid in eu along with Alex and Froggen.



And then Xpeke showed up, lol.

tabzz,czaru,extinct and probably few others are way better than him
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-21 03:31:24
March 21 2013 03:30 GMT
#666
On March 21 2013 11:31 xes wrote:
How does http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/search calculate winrate? I thought that was hidden?

Wow, why did they hide win rate? To be like sc2?

Thanks for the other answers regarding bruiser vs carry scaling. Bonus stats and abilities make some sense but I also guess that why in a lot of asian pro games you see bruisers build full tank.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 21 2013 03:42 GMT
#667
On March 21 2013 11:47 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 11:31 xes wrote:
How does http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/search calculate winrate? I thought that was hidden?

The stuff is kinda bad anyway, it said my "typical" jungler was Olaf... when I'm ~60% in ranked with Olaf top, and only jungled Mundo and Vi (and a lot of Udyr/Vi/Trundle in normals).



Says my best jungler is Pantheon...

I didn't even know pantheon could jungle...

o.o
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 21 2013 03:45 GMT
#668
hey guys diana is batshit insanely strong again
pick her up before the unrevert the previously reverted nerfs and put her back to a reasonable level
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 21 2013 03:55 GMT
#669
On March 21 2013 12:45 gtrsrs wrote:
hey guys diana is batshit insanely strong again
pick her up before the unrevert the previously reverted nerfs and put her back to a reasonable level

slooooooowpoke........
Her kit seems a bit problematic to balance, even with just numbers. So much utility, tankiness and damage makes it hard to locate where her problematic issues are.
liftlift > tsm
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 21 2013 03:59 GMT
#670
That was always my problem with Diana. She did it all. She engaged, tanked damage, and dished out a lot of damage at the same time. Just so glad she isn't AS bad as she was at world's. That thing needed to die in a fire. I haven't played against Diana enough now to have an opinion, but she is close to what she once was from the play of her now.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 21 2013 04:14 GMT
#671
On March 21 2013 12:59 Cloud9157 wrote:
That was always my problem with Diana. She did it all. She engaged, tanked damage, and dished out a lot of damage at the same time. Just so glad she isn't AS bad as she was at world's. That thing needed to die in a fire. I haven't played against Diana enough now to have an opinion, but she is close to what she once was from the play of her now.


Pretty simple fix really: Make her inability to disengage an actual weakness by removing tankiness.

OR

Nerf her burst so she has to be more Kayle-like.
Freeeeeeedom
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 21 2013 04:40 GMT
#672
I know Diana is pretty strong right now, but is she really in need of nerfs? I feel like she's in a pretty good spot.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 21 2013 04:41 GMT
#673
On March 21 2013 13:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
I know Diana is pretty strong right now, but is she really in need of nerfs? I feel like she's in a pretty good spot.


Just hypothetically, if you thought she was too strong, those are simple ways to make Diana more "niche".
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
March 21 2013 04:43 GMT
#674
On March 21 2013 11:31 xes wrote:
How does http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/search calculate winrate? I thought that was hidden?

Theoretically, if you keep track of every summoner's match history from the beginning of s3, you can keep track of their winrates as well.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 21 2013 05:04 GMT
#675
she counters safe mids which are all the rage right now, which is part of the reason shes popular. brats like lux can suck it
I come in for the scraps
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 21 2013 05:18 GMT
#676
On March 21 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
she counters safe mids which are all the rage right now, which is part of the reason shes popular. brats like lux can suck it


I feel like she's a bit strong for what she does. Mostly it's that her pre-6 lane phase is too strong compared to her power level. This mostly has to do with her Q cost, not so much the damage. Her Q basically negates the fact that she's a melee mage with no gap closer before level 6 because she has no repercussions to spamming it to last hit, or against certain mids, just to shove the lane and reduce harass.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 21 2013 05:24 GMT
#677
On March 21 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
she counters safe mids which are all the rage right now, which is part of the reason shes popular. brats like lux can suck it


It is kind of funny how after people talked about Lux being OP players re-discovered Diana as a counter to it only for the community to bitch about Diana being OP now and in need of nerfs.

I still think Riot should take a few months off from patching just so we can see how much people develop the game without Riot instantly nerfing a champion the minute it appears to be "too strong."
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 21 2013 05:32 GMT
#678
On March 21 2013 14:24 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
she counters safe mids which are all the rage right now, which is part of the reason shes popular. brats like lux can suck it


It is kind of funny how after people talked about Lux being OP players re-discovered Diana as a counter to it only for the community to bitch about Diana being OP now and in need of nerfs.

I still think Riot should take a few months off from patching just so we can see how much people develop the game without Riot instantly nerfing a champion the minute it appears to be "too strong."


And then reverting said nerf. Then nerfing it again to revert it again. Then call the champ toxic and rework them into something even worse and more generic.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 21 2013 05:40 GMT
#679
On March 21 2013 12:45 gtrsrs wrote:
hey guys diana is batshit insanely strong again
pick her up before the unrevert the previously reverted nerfs and put her back to a reasonable level


i said this like almost 2 weeks ago mang
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 21 2013 05:45 GMT
#680
well it took me this long to realize it! :3
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
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