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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 21:46 GMT
#7321
http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/article/season-3-league-legends-championship-series

More details about the S3 Championship Series released.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 09 2013 21:49 GMT
#7322
On January 10 2013 06:15 wei2coolman wrote:
I guess I'm still in the old s2 mindset, I still rush philo+kages, before getting sightstone. Flask start can be pretty good if you plan on winning your lane or losing your lane HARD. Otherwise I prefer anal bead start, into philostone.


you're basically building your items backwards
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 09 2013 21:53 GMT
#7323
On January 10 2013 06:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/article/season-3-league-legends-championship-series

More details about the S3 Championship Series released.


Seems a bit to convoluted. I worry that we will suffer from over-saturation of games. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a SC2 scenario where everyone plays everyone every othre day and all the excitement is removed...
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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
January 09 2013 21:55 GMT
#7324
On January 10 2013 06:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/article/season-3-league-legends-championship-series

More details about the S3 Championship Series released.


That's awesome. Weekly matches and a structured tournament just like any other sport will be great for the scene.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:01:30
January 09 2013 21:58 GMT
#7325
On January 10 2013 06:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/article/season-3-league-legends-championship-series

More details about the S3 Championship Series released.


Seems a bit to convoluted. I worry that we will suffer from over-saturation of games. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a SC2 scenario where everyone plays everyone every othre day and all the excitement is removed...

SPL+OSL+MSL all running simultaneously never bothered anyone.

Honestly it's about game quality and everything being structured/organized well.

SC2 had issues because it was different people running different shit at different times and making everything a convoluted mess.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 22:00 GMT
#7326
On January 10 2013 06:58 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 06:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 10 2013 06:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/article/season-3-league-legends-championship-series

More details about the S3 Championship Series released.


Seems a bit to convoluted. I worry that we will suffer from over-saturation of games. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a SC2 scenario where everyone plays everyone every othre day and all the excitement is removed...

SPL+OSL+MSL all running simultaneously never bothered anyone.

Honestly it's about game quality and everything being structured/organized well.


Hear, hear.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9163 Posts
January 09 2013 22:04 GMT
#7327
As I feared, no serious interregional competition until the end of the season.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
January 09 2013 22:09 GMT
#7328
On January 10 2013 07:04 Dan HH wrote:
As I feared, no serious interregional competition until the end of the season.


We'd still have MLG/IPL?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#7329
On January 10 2013 07:04 Dan HH wrote:
As I feared, no serious interregional competition until the end of the season.

It's ok, I can deal with just watching Pan-Asian tournaments.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 09 2013 22:12 GMT
#7330
On January 10 2013 07:04 Dan HH wrote:
As I feared, no serious interregional competition until the end of the season.


This may be a good thing though in that the S3 championships will be much more exciting for the general crowd, as they won't know what to expect. Most of my friends that play and watch the game don't keep up with the foreign scene. Maybe this format will give the NA scene some motivation to progress in hopes of beating the other scenes.

From a spectator point of view, this serves to make the S3 champs a very epic/hyped event.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 22:12 GMT
#7331
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 22:13 GMT
#7332
On January 10 2013 07:12 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:04 Dan HH wrote:
As I feared, no serious interregional competition until the end of the season.


This may be a good thing though in that the S3 championships will be much more exciting for the general crowd, as they won't know what to expect. Most of my friends that play and watch the game don't keep up with the foreign scene. Maybe this format will give the NA scene some motivation to progress in hopes of beating the other scenes.

From a spectator point of view, this serves to make the S3 champs a very epic/hyped event.

Having talked to RedBeard before, this is very much what Riot is striving for.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
January 09 2013 22:16 GMT
#7333
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;


Mhm.

The thing I really hate about mid lane right now is that with flask + pots/regen starts, it's almost impossible for a standard AP to punish an assassin early game before they get too strong to overcome (ie. Kass pre 6, Khazix in general, etc.) without outside assistance. It is incredibly easy for an enemy jungler to snowball an assassin mid just because of how safe playing an assassin is right now. There is almost no compensation for having ridiculous snowballiness.

This sucks in particular for me because I excel at zone control mages, but I am utter trash at assassins.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#7334
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;

At the same time, I think DL does a bit too much complaining and not enough thinking on how to PLAY around the issues rather than asking Riot what to fix.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#7335
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;


Woof. Poor ADCs. Glad I don't main that. =D Then again, as a support main, it makes doing my job way, WAY harder, so... =/ Not so good.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 22:20 GMT
#7336
On January 10 2013 07:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;

At the same time, I think DL does a bit too much complaining and not enough thinking on how to PLAY around the issues rather than asking Riot what to fix.


Top and Jungle are my biggest gripe atm, Jungle moreso.

Double's gripe about ADC items is just personal to him. But he's right, there's a slew of nerfs directed towards ADC. It's pretty bitter to just tell him "adapt you trash".
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 09 2013 22:21 GMT
#7337
The S3 jungle just doesn't make sense given their goals.

-Make jungle harder
-Make junglers start with items which give no combat stats
-Make jungle contain same or less gold until later game when everyone is taking it
-Nerf oracles
-Make wards super easy to get

all these changes = weak junglers, not stronger ones
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:26:08
January 09 2013 22:25 GMT
#7338
On January 10 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:17 TheYango wrote:
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;

At the same time, I think DL does a bit too much complaining and not enough thinking on how to PLAY around the issues rather than asking Riot what to fix.


Top and Jungle are my biggest gripe atm, Jungle moreso.

Double's gripe about ADC items is just personal to him. But he's right, there's a slew of nerfs directed towards ADC. It's pretty bitter to just tell him "adapt you trash".

ADC's have it A LOT better than jungle and AP casters so it's silly to whine about ADC's getting nerfs that he even admitted were necessary. I think the strenght of bruisers is a problem, not the "weakness" of ADCs.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 22:27:28
January 09 2013 22:26 GMT
#7339
I think it's hard to pinpoint the "correct" way to approach some of these issues. Certainly not as early as right now. My concern is Riot will take a post like this to heart too quickly.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 22:28 GMT
#7340
On January 10 2013 07:25 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 10 2013 07:17 TheYango wrote:
On January 10 2013 07:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/CLGDoublelift/posts/407863505961619

yanger and I agree with a lot of Double's opinions here. ;_;

At the same time, I think DL does a bit too much complaining and not enough thinking on how to PLAY around the issues rather than asking Riot what to fix.


Top and Jungle are my biggest gripe atm, Jungle moreso.

Double's gripe about ADC items is just personal to him. But he's right, there's a slew of nerfs directed towards ADC. It's pretty bitter to just tell him "adapt you trash".

ADC's have it A LOT better than jungle and AP casters so it's silly to whine about ADC's getting nerfs that he even admitted were necessary. I think the strenght of bruisers is a problem, not the "weakness" of ADCs.


I don't we have anyone has commented positively about S3 Jungle on TL yet. @_@
What's wrong with AP?
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