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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 09 2013 19:29 GMT
#7281
On January 10 2013 04:27 Roffles wrote:
A real man would keep playing LS.

A scrub would do what Scip did.

But young Shake's only a boy now.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 09 2013 19:33 GMT
#7282
I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever seen him knows that Zed (jungle) is very viable. Diamond was spamming games with him earlier, as well.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2013 19:36 GMT
#7283
On January 10 2013 04:25 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:23 Scip wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:11 HazMat wrote:
Guys real talk. What should I do when Lee Sin gets nerfed? I'm panicking.

Do the same thing I did when Skarner got nerfed. ABANDON SHIP and find another strong champion to play. There's a lot of them, don't worry.

I'm just troll baiting for people to say Lee Sin is super op and since he's my main I'll be a 1200 Elo scrub.

I'm ready to get a 50% Zed winrate next patch and show the haters.

Only 50%?
It's your boy Guzma!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 09 2013 19:39 GMT
#7284
On January 10 2013 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:27 Roffles wrote:
A real man would keep playing LS.

A scrub would do what Scip did.

But young Shake's only a boy now.

I'm not quitting lee you scrubs.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 09 2013 19:45 GMT
#7285
On January 10 2013 04:36 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:25 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:23 Scip wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:11 HazMat wrote:
Guys real talk. What should I do when Lee Sin gets nerfed? I'm panicking.

Do the same thing I did when Skarner got nerfed. ABANDON SHIP and find another strong champion to play. There's a lot of them, don't worry.

I'm just troll baiting for people to say Lee Sin is super op and since he's my main I'll be a 1200 Elo scrub.

I'm ready to get a 50% Zed winrate next patch and show the haters.

Only 50%?


Don't you know sarcasm when you hear it Charlie Brown?
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 09 2013 19:54 GMT
#7286
A few pages late on this, but has the ADC playstyle changed a bit since last season, or is it just me?

My buddy and I used to play super aggro bot and win lane 90% of the time, now we lose lane more than half of the time. I'm not sure if its the lane comps we play, bad trading, or getting one shot by a bruiser unless I literally kite a mile away from the fight. Before I used to be able to just out skill the bruisers or other lanes, kill them quickly and continue fighting. Now I either kite them for minimal damage while taking quite a bit of it, or flat out die to an assassin.

Just doesn't seem as fun/rewarding anymore but he only plays support and I don't wanna bail on him. I've always mained top but considered myself a decent ADC up until this point. Maybe he hasn't adjusted (he never knows what items to start or what support to pick) or maybe I haven't. Idk :/

LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
January 09 2013 19:56 GMT
#7287
Your support should be rushing ruby sightstone and locket//aegis and cdr boots IMO. Stuff like philo and kage is pretty bad and being tanky is usuall the best on MOST supports. (all the melee ones, sona, not sure about lulu/janna/zyra).


You losing lane and losing games are probably related. But I'm not sure about that. The amount of assassins people are playing is going up because mid lane isn't always ap any more.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 09 2013 20:00 GMT
#7288
On January 10 2013 04:33 OutlaW- wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever seen him knows that Zed (jungle) is very viable. Diamond was spamming games with him earlier, as well.

Diamond the same one in TL?
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 09 2013 20:03 GMT
#7289
no DIamondprox..
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2013 20:06 GMT
#7290
On January 10 2013 04:45 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:36 Requizen wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:25 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:23 Scip wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:11 HazMat wrote:
Guys real talk. What should I do when Lee Sin gets nerfed? I'm panicking.

Do the same thing I did when Skarner got nerfed. ABANDON SHIP and find another strong champion to play. There's a lot of them, don't worry.

I'm just troll baiting for people to say Lee Sin is super op and since he's my main I'll be a 1200 Elo scrub.

I'm ready to get a 50% Zed winrate next patch and show the haters.

Only 50%?


Don't you know sarcasm when you hear it Charlie Brown?

Hearing is hard on the internet. We need tags for sarcasm, snark, and deadpan.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 09 2013 20:06 GMT
#7291
On January 10 2013 04:56 Slayer91 wrote:
Your support should be rushing ruby sightstone and locket//aegis and cdr boots IMO. Stuff like philo and kage is pretty bad and being tanky is usuall the best on MOST supports. (all the melee ones, sona, not sure about lulu/janna/zyra).


You losing lane and losing games are probably related. But I'm not sure about that. The amount of assassins people are playing is going up because mid lane isn't always ap any more.


He tends to play sona, taric, and fiddlesticks. Before it worked fine and we could play kill lanes all the time. But he hasn't really adjusted to the changes and plays overly aggressive, usually resulting in a death. Even if we DO manage to win lane, his item build is the same as S2 minus HoG(RIP), and then in team fights I have to worry about double assassin comps, which makes ADC nowhere near as fun as before IMO. I guess i should just go back to top main or have him start playing more control based supports such as Zyra.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 09 2013 20:10 GMT
#7292
On January 10 2013 05:06 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:45 zer0das wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:36 Requizen wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:25 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:23 Scip wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:11 HazMat wrote:
Guys real talk. What should I do when Lee Sin gets nerfed? I'm panicking.

Do the same thing I did when Skarner got nerfed. ABANDON SHIP and find another strong champion to play. There's a lot of them, don't worry.

I'm just troll baiting for people to say Lee Sin is super op and since he's my main I'll be a 1200 Elo scrub.

I'm ready to get a 50% Zed winrate next patch and show the haters.

Only 50%?


Don't you know sarcasm when you hear it Charlie Brown?

Hearing is hard on the internet. We need tags for sarcasm, snark, and deadpan.

See, the sad assumption here is that it'd be more intuitive to have tags for deadpan rather than for when we're not being deadpan.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 20:12:44
January 09 2013 20:11 GMT
#7293
sona/taric/fiddles should still be fine

Just make sure he realizes that (ruby) sightstone is the new HoG, and if you remember to use the wards on cooldown it's even more gp10 than before

Also maybe read the previous discussion of warmogs on AD carries lol


EDIT: and by cooldown I mean "when your first set of wards times out" of course
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 09 2013 20:13 GMT
#7294
On January 10 2013 04:54 Mondeezy wrote:
A few pages late on this, but has the ADC playstyle changed a bit since last season, or is it just me?

My buddy and I used to play super aggro bot and win lane 90% of the time, now we lose lane more than half of the time. I'm not sure if its the lane comps we play, bad trading, or getting one shot by a bruiser unless I literally kite a mile away from the fight. Before I used to be able to just out skill the bruisers or other lanes, kill them quickly and continue fighting. Now I either kite them for minimal damage while taking quite a bit of it, or flat out die to an assassin.

Just doesn't seem as fun/rewarding anymore but he only plays support and I don't wanna bail on him. I've always mained top but considered myself a decent ADC up until this point. Maybe he hasn't adjusted (he never knows what items to start or what support to pick) or maybe I haven't. Idk :/



I can't speak to you losing your lanes because there aren't enough details to tell what's going on. It could be your buddy's unfamiliarity with the new items. It could be that you're underestimating creeps. It could be that Elo compression is placing you against more skillful players than you're used to. It could be a lot of things.

However, the teamfight issue you've noticed is exactly what TheYango was grappling with when he suggested building AD carries more like bruisers. The issue itself got lost in the kerfuffle over TheYango's proposed solution, but it's a problem that will grow in prominence as more and more players realize how stupidly effective assassins are right now.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
January 09 2013 20:14 GMT
#7295
On January 10 2013 05:06 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:56 Slayer91 wrote:
Your support should be rushing ruby sightstone and locket//aegis and cdr boots IMO. Stuff like philo and kage is pretty bad and being tanky is usuall the best on MOST supports. (all the melee ones, sona, not sure about lulu/janna/zyra).


You losing lane and losing games are probably related. But I'm not sure about that. The amount of assassins people are playing is going up because mid lane isn't always ap any more.


He tends to play sona, taric, and fiddlesticks. Before it worked fine and we could play kill lanes all the time. But he hasn't really adjusted to the changes and plays overly aggressive, usually resulting in a death. Even if we DO manage to win lane, his item build is the same as S2 minus HoG(RIP), and then in team fights I have to worry about double assassin comps, which makes ADC nowhere near as fun as before IMO. I guess i should just go back to top main or have him start playing more control based supports such as Zyra.


He should learn lulu.Or you can change the meta back to 2 bruisers or bruiser/supp bot .
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#7296
Double bruiser bot real dumb in lowelo, people forget that support/AD is fucking squishy when they get in fights. Or even kill lane bruiser supports, had a Sivir/Panth bot lane that just dumped on our Sona/Cait because our regular bot lane forgot that they're made of paper, and Panth built BC.
It's your boy Guzma!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#7297
On January 10 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 04:54 Mondeezy wrote:
A few pages late on this, but has the ADC playstyle changed a bit since last season, or is it just me?

My buddy and I used to play super aggro bot and win lane 90% of the time, now we lose lane more than half of the time. I'm not sure if its the lane comps we play, bad trading, or getting one shot by a bruiser unless I literally kite a mile away from the fight. Before I used to be able to just out skill the bruisers or other lanes, kill them quickly and continue fighting. Now I either kite them for minimal damage while taking quite a bit of it, or flat out die to an assassin.

Just doesn't seem as fun/rewarding anymore but he only plays support and I don't wanna bail on him. I've always mained top but considered myself a decent ADC up until this point. Maybe he hasn't adjusted (he never knows what items to start or what support to pick) or maybe I haven't. Idk :/



I can't speak to you losing your lanes because there aren't enough details to tell what's going on. It could be your buddy's unfamiliarity with the new items. It could be that you're underestimating creeps. It could be that Elo compression is placing you against more skillful players than you're used to. It could be a lot of things.

However, the teamfight issue you've noticed is exactly what TheYango was grappling with when he suggested building AD carries more like bruisers. The issue itself got lost in the kerfuffle over TheYango's proposed solution, but it's a problem that will grow in prominence as more and more players realize how stupidly effective assassins are right now.



Does this mean that people are finally, re-realizing why characters like Panth, Eve, and Talon were allowed to languish for so long? That they are realizing that an assassin is Either UP or OP and there is no middle ground?

Or is it just an offhand comment bu Suess?
Freeeeeeedom
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#7298
On January 10 2013 05:21 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 05:13 Seuss wrote:
On January 10 2013 04:54 Mondeezy wrote:
A few pages late on this, but has the ADC playstyle changed a bit since last season, or is it just me?

My buddy and I used to play super aggro bot and win lane 90% of the time, now we lose lane more than half of the time. I'm not sure if its the lane comps we play, bad trading, or getting one shot by a bruiser unless I literally kite a mile away from the fight. Before I used to be able to just out skill the bruisers or other lanes, kill them quickly and continue fighting. Now I either kite them for minimal damage while taking quite a bit of it, or flat out die to an assassin.

Just doesn't seem as fun/rewarding anymore but he only plays support and I don't wanna bail on him. I've always mained top but considered myself a decent ADC up until this point. Maybe he hasn't adjusted (he never knows what items to start or what support to pick) or maybe I haven't. Idk :/



I can't speak to you losing your lanes because there aren't enough details to tell what's going on. It could be your buddy's unfamiliarity with the new items. It could be that you're underestimating creeps. It could be that Elo compression is placing you against more skillful players than you're used to. It could be a lot of things.

However, the teamfight issue you've noticed is exactly what TheYango was grappling with when he suggested building AD carries more like bruisers. The issue itself got lost in the kerfuffle over TheYango's proposed solution, but it's a problem that will grow in prominence as more and more players realize how stupidly effective assassins are right now.



Does this mean that people are finally, re-realizing why characters like Panth, Eve, and Talon were allowed to languish for so long? That they are realizing that an assassin is Either UP or OP and there is no middle ground?

Or is it just an offhand comment bu Suess?

I still maintain that assassins are only "OP or UP" based on the meta. The more it favors squishy teams that venture out past their towers, the stronger assassins are. The more it favors defensive play or bruiser comps, the weaker assassins are. The items help, sure, BC is bullshit no doubt, but Panth and Talon were capable of annihilating mids and ADs previous to this point, now they just have it easier (and can apply that same burst to bruisers who aren't stacking health thanks to BC).
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 20:33:28
January 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#7299
Panth wasn't UP, he was simply conditional and suffered from stuff that was related to his kit rather than his nature (eg. lack of escape that made him susceptible to ganks, while not having the stupidly faceroll ease of play/double kill threat of Darius). He fell further off top because a lot of the champs released shoved power creep down his throat (Jayce, Darius, Rengar, Kha'Zix).

His Q is still a super strong laning tool, and so is his passive against stuff who doesn't have ridiculously good ratios (or Jayce's W) to make up for the loss of an auto.

People run him mid now, not top, so most don't have "rediscovered" him in any way.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#7300
Here's a thought: If PD nerf hurts a lot is the Chauster-style double Zeal now a possible strong itemisation path for mid-game?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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