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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 09 2013 17:59 GMT
#7241
On January 10 2013 01:42 Mensol wrote:
I have one question!

Ziggs or Orianna?


I like Ziggs more but be aware he plays very unique and takes quite a few games to figure out. Orianna takes more team coordination to shine so I don't like to use her in solo. Ziggs is fucking awesome.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 18:10:35
January 09 2013 18:07 GMT
#7242
On January 10 2013 02:57 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
just look at poor skarner across all servers in platinum.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/skarner&region=all&league=platinum#statistics

not a single day above 50% winrate in a long time. Some days dropping almost to 40%. he needs a buff.


Just revert the ult nerf, the rest is fine, that nerf was so dumb.


Considering a lot of the time that "bug" manifested was when skarner flashed for the ult in the first place, I think it's perfectly fair. A lot of junglers can pretty much guarantee kills if you're so out of position that they can walk up to you.

Either that or the mana on Q nerf.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 09 2013 18:09 GMT
#7243
On January 10 2013 03:07 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 02:57 Diamond wrote:
On January 10 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
just look at poor skarner across all servers in platinum.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/skarner&region=all&league=platinum#statistics

not a single day above 50% winrate in a long time. Some days dropping almost to 40%. he needs a buff.


Just revert the ult nerf, the rest is fine, that nerf was so dumb.


Considering a lot of the time that "bug" manifested was when skarner flashed for the ult in the first place, I think it's perfectly fair. A lot of junglers can pretty much guarantee kills if you're so out of position that they can walk up to you.


With the nerfs to flash I see no problem with it how it was. Punished people for stupid positioning, a well coordinated team will make sure and just keep the tanks up front (who you don't want to grab).
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 09 2013 18:23 GMT
#7244
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 09 2013 18:30 GMT
#7245
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?
liftlift > tsm
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 09 2013 18:33 GMT
#7246
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?


I would assume it's because he can afford to largely ignore defenses in favor of just having craptons of AD, resulting in egregious amounts of AoE damage.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 18:38 GMT
#7247
Waking up and reading 14 pages of GD? npnp (missed OGN though, fk)

Reading people calling Yango a troll? priceless
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 18:39:16
January 09 2013 18:38 GMT
#7248
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?

Insane ad due to Q.

edit: Granted this was a normal game and I had 400 cs. Still was hilarious how much dmg the proc was doing.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-09 18:40:38
January 09 2013 18:40 GMT
#7249
y u trolling normals,have you no shame?
Cackle™
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 09 2013 18:40 GMT
#7250
On January 10 2013 03:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Waking up and reading 14 pages of GD? npnp (missed OGN though, fk)

Reading people calling Yango a troll? priceless


There are some things Riot can't provide. For everything else, there's TL GD.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 09 2013 18:45 GMT
#7251
On January 10 2013 03:38 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?

Insane ad due to Q.

edit: Granted this was a normal game and I had 400 cs. Still was hilarious how much dmg the proc was doing.

Oh, thought it was like some serious realization in some high elo games that you came to this conclusion. rofl.

It still amazes me how much AD hydra gives, also not sure why Riot so insistent on having anal beads as a build up item for tiamat.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 09 2013 18:48 GMT
#7252
On January 10 2013 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:38 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?

Insane ad due to Q.

edit: Granted this was a normal game and I had 400 cs. Still was hilarious how much dmg the proc was doing.

Oh, thought it was like some serious realization in some high elo games that you came to this conclusion. rofl.

It still amazes me how much AD hydra gives, also not sure why Riot so insistent on having anal beads as a build up item for tiamat.


Cause double Bead opening is going to be pretty fun once pros realize how good Hydra is late game.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
January 09 2013 18:49 GMT
#7253
On January 10 2013 01:59 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 01:40 Requizen wrote:
On January 10 2013 01:32 Eiii wrote:
Since we're on TL and all, I feel like I'm obligated to bring up that hecarim is just a worse version of skarner.

Not with IBG he's not. Now both have permaslow, and it's mostly comparing their ults. Inc discussion about IBG vs TF on Hec sure, but cost efficiency aside, IBG gives him the sticking power that's not on RNG like Phage, and gives him the resists + CDR he desires.

Then again I think I've only played him twice since S3, so don't take me too seriously.

Yeah, you just need to get a 3400 gold item and then Hecarim is roughly equivalent to Skarner ! :3 In the meantime, Skarner can get Locket to shield his shield to own faces while he owns faces and Shurelyas so he can be fast while he is fast. VROOM.

Yeah, whenever I tried to Hecarim, I ran into that problem where you ult in and then go "well, wtf do I do now" because everyone is far away from you just awkwardly press W and Q without having anyone to focus.

But yeah, generally I have very large issue with any jungler who doesn't get aura items very quickly OR is not a very powerful assasin. With how strong Bulwark, Shurelyas, Sightstone and Locket are and because support can't get all them things, I think junglers really ought to get some.


That's why you don't ult in. Use E to initiate or peel. Save the ult to get people off your ADC.

Hecarim has the best ADC defense in the game: Since he is so big and ignores unit collision, stand on your ADC and make it impossible for people to target them. Perfect vs autoattack comps, but countered by AoE.
"Do a barrel roll"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
January 09 2013 18:52 GMT
#7254
On January 10 2013 03:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:38 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?

Insane ad due to Q.

edit: Granted this was a normal game and I had 400 cs. Still was hilarious how much dmg the proc was doing.

Oh, thought it was like some serious realization in some high elo games that you came to this conclusion. rofl.

It still amazes me how much AD hydra gives, also not sure why Riot so insistent on having anal beads as a build up item for tiamat.


Cause double Bead opening is going to be pretty fun once pros realize how good Hydra is late game.

Hydra/Shiv/IBG/IE GP with Alacrity Swiftness boots. Qs one shot minion waves, poke for millions of damages. I got a bit fed.

But I honestly have 100% win rate with Alacrity upgraded Swifties. Always go fast, never not go fast.
It's your boy Guzma!
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 09 2013 18:56 GMT
#7255
Hydra is like, the answer to Tryndamere's problems in Aram. Beads op.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 09 2013 18:56 GMT
#7256
On January 10 2013 03:45 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 03:38 HazMat wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 10 2013 03:23 HazMat wrote:
Wow Hydra Trynd is so op wtf.

What makes it better on trynd than over other melee champs?
Is it because he already gets free crit chance?

Insane ad due to Q.

edit: Granted this was a normal game and I had 400 cs. Still was hilarious how much dmg the proc was doing.

Oh, thought it was like some serious realization in some high elo games that you came to this conclusion. rofl.

It still amazes me how much AD hydra gives, also not sure why Riot so insistent on having anal beads as a build up item for tiamat.

DUNNO MAN IT SEEMED LEGIT. I'll try it in some real games eventually.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 09 2013 18:58 GMT
#7257
Tiamat Spin + Trynda Spin instaclear creeps.
Moderator
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 09 2013 18:58 GMT
#7258
On January 10 2013 03:56 zer0das wrote:
Hydra is like, the answer to Tryndamere's problems in Aram. Beads op.


Gives no AP, not the answer to trynd in ARAM
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 09 2013 19:00 GMT
#7259
The answer to Tryndamere in ARAM is to max Mocking Shout.
Moderator
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 09 2013 19:03 GMT
#7260
Tryndamere is the answer to the full AD teams.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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