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jadoth
694 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:23 Live2Win wrote: alright I gotta ask, what is an AD caster exactly? What are some examples? AD casters are champs whose role is mostly damage and who deal primarily physical damage through their abilities. Talon. Riven. Renekton. Darius. J4. Pantheon. Urgot. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote: Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
1) Is rushing dcap the best idea for most champs still? Or would it be better to rush for the mpen and/or utility for certain champs? (i.e, rylais + liandry's on cassiopia) 2)If you do primarily do AoE dmg, is getting the furor boots or the flat move speed boots better? | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:31 jadoth wrote: AD casters are champs whose role is mostly damage and who deal primarily physical damage through their abilities. Talon. Riven. Renekton. Darius. J4. Pantheon. Urgot. Add Garen *spin to win* to the list. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:31 jadoth wrote: AD casters are champs whose role is mostly damage and who deal primarily physical damage through their abilities. Talon. Riven. Renekton. Darius. J4. Pantheon. Urgot. + Ezreal, Lee Sin, Garen, Zed Basically it's characters that scale from AD, but have a lot of damage from their skills and not just auto-attacking. It's a weird group of heroes and the itemisation isn't really there for them damage wise so you often have to just build tanky to be good late game. There's weird complications like because they do lots of damage from spells they could benefit quite a bit from spellvamp (especially talon) but AD items have lifesteal instead. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:41 imBLIND wrote: deathcap isn't absurdly slot efficient anymoreTwo questions: 1) Is rushing dcap the best idea for most champs still? Or would it be better to rush for the mpen and/or utility for certain champs? (i.e, rylais + liandry's on cassiopia) 2)If you do primarily do AoE dmg, is getting the furor boots or the flat move speed boots better? if all you want is ap, ap, and more ap, then deathcap is the still the best option for you. but the later you put buying deathcap off, the more cost effective it is compared to rushing it | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote: As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. So remove renek and riven then | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Yes, they totally play simiarly to Zed, Talon, and Pantheon, right? | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'd put Pantheon, Riven, Zed, Khazix, Talon in the AD Caster list, and Darius, Renekton, Garen etc in the Bruiser list. Then there's the Olaf/Irelia/Jax group that does good sustained damage while being tanky and is basically overpowered in comparison. That's just my opinion though. I think the categories don't really mean much. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 09 2012 06:40 TheYango wrote: Athene's is also competing with Mikael's now as far as what to build your Chalice into. And Mikael's is fantastic. Honestly I could see a 4-protects-1 team running multiple Crucibles, Lockets, and Heals just for overall protective ability/survivability. 4 protect 1 kayle top + locket orianna+crucible Mid Naut+locket jungle. Karma +locket+crucible + Fiora Bottom :D don't even need to put boots on fiora in that situation, just capts on naut and karma tether. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
fioras a terrible option for shield comps either pick an ad carry or run double bruiser e.g renek+riven or something riven works really well because she can stack ad and get even more shields and does so much aoe damage | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:43 Klive5ive wrote: + Ezreal, Lee Sin, Garen, Zed Basically it's characters that scale from AD, but have a lot of damage from their skills and not just auto-attacking. It's a weird group of heroes and the itemisation isn't really there for them damage wise so you often have to just build tanky to be good late game. There's weird complications like because they do lots of damage from spells they could benefit quite a bit from spellvamp (especially talon) but AD items have lifesteal instead. Talon only has AoE for spellvamp, it's weak on him. His Q procs lifesteal, and the DoT doesn't proc anything (it just kills things you thought had escaped). | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:55 Slayer91 wrote: wukong with 4 BCs penta kills with 1 ultimate fioras a terrible option for shield comps either pick an ad carry or run double bruiser e.g renek+riven or something riven works really well because she can stack ad and get even more shields and does so much aoe damage Fiora works extremely well in that comp, she has the mobility, the "reset" potential for pentakills, the ability to stall for allies cooldowns and crazy farming ability (hydra). | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote: As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. I always just associated "casters" with using abilities, not necessarily ranged. | ||
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XaCez
Sweden6991 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote: As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On December 09 2012 07:55 Ketara wrote: I think the difference between an "AD Caster" and a Bruiser is that Bruisers tend to be naturally tanky and don't scale as well with mass damage items as AD Casters do. I'd put Pantheon, Riven, Zed, Khazix, Talon in the AD Caster list, and Darius, Renekton, Garen etc in the Bruiser list. Then there's the Olaf/Irelia/Jax group that does good sustained damage while being tanky and is basically overpowered in comparison. That's just my opinion though. I think the categories don't really mean much. I would call Renekton, Garen ect. AD casters and bruisers. Categorizing by how their damage scales I get AD casters, APs, auto attackers and like champs like leona who don't do damage. Then Categorizing by offense defense balance you have carries, bruisers, and tanks. The first category is build invariant while the second can change based off build. Yi with ie pd is a carry and Yi with warmogs atmas is a bruiser. Mumu can build carry, bruiser or tank. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 09 2012 08:02 PrinceXizor wrote: Fiora works extremely well in that comp, she has the mobility, the "reset" potential for pentakills, the ability to stall for allies cooldowns and crazy farming ability (hydra). her resets are attack speed, CC stops that too early, if her ult got reset id agree with you. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Now its a meaningless term. | ||
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