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On December 09 2012 08:52 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 00:03 sob3k wrote:On December 08 2012 23:59 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 08 2012 22:50 sob3k wrote:On December 08 2012 21:39 TheYango wrote:On December 08 2012 21:21 Numy wrote:
Also with your example it doesn't seem to match up with what they have done. They haven't done anything to address low-farm 4th junglers, if anything they made it harder to get farm in the jungle not easier? Their express intent was to prevent laners from taking as much farm. Like I said, they failed to accomplish their goal because they totally mis-attributed the reason for lower-position, low-farm junglers, but that doesn't mean that their objectives are misguided. You have to distinguish between having poor intentions, and having good intentions but being totally incompetent at properly accomplishing those intentions. New Item: Key to the Jungle Item cost: 300 Unique Passive – Butcher: Damage dealt to monsters increased by 10%. Unique Passive – Rend: Basic attacks deal 10 bonus true damage to monsters. Unique Passive – Key: Opens the large iron cages that now enclose each monster camp. Caged monsters cannot be damaged. While we're at it lets just put a lock on the entire river. You're not allowed to go into the iver without key of george the jungle, which costs 5k gold and gives no stats. Its called AP Teemo, and there is no key I know this is a few pages back but this just made me imagine a "Teemo the Grey" skin. Everytime you hit a shroom "You cannot pass!"
Just invest two points in Tough Skin - and congratulations, you now have the same amount of advantages compared to junglers against jungle monsters.
Not sure if I am willing to do this on an AP that usually runs 21-0-9, but for manaless champions it seems to be working out well so far.
Maybe Tough Skin should be a bit deeper into the Defense Masteries.
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France343 Posts
On December 09 2012 08:44 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 08:43 komokun wrote:
zzz wodx getting even more viewers with all the TL fangurls trying to sneak on Loci's ryzzle
what I'm not even going to respond to that. Anyway, watching Wings whine at the hand of Loci is fun 
was talking about ryze :D
Wings analytical whine is gold ^^
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On December 09 2012 08:25 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 07:55 PrinceXizor wrote:On December 09 2012 06:40 TheYango wrote:
Athene's is also competing with Mikael's now as far as what to build your Chalice into. And Mikael's is fantastic.
Honestly I could see a 4-protects-1 team running multiple Crucibles, Lockets, and Heals just for overall protective ability/survivability. 4 protect 1 kayle top + locket orianna+crucible Mid Naut+locket jungle. Karma +locket+crucible + Fiora Bottom :D don't even need to put boots on fiora in that situation, just capts on naut and karma tether. a no-ranged-AD champ will never be able to fight at towers or push effectively, and nautilus just straight up can't jungle effectively any more just stop posting go back to shameville, you've been posting nonsense for only a couple days and i'm already tired of reading your tedious posts
I have a feeling that if this comment came from someone else, you would've had a different reaction to this. You could have instead just said:
a no-ranged-AD champ will never be able to fight at towers or push effectively, and nautilus just straight up can't jungle effectively any more
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On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:25 barbsq wrote:On December 09 2012 07:23 Live2Win wrote:
alright I gotta ask, what is an AD caster exactly? What are some examples? wukong, pantheon, khazix, talon, zed there are others, just naming a few Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst?
What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit?
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Fuck Cait/Nunu is so nasty...
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Cait/Nami is pretty nasty too. Anyone that has synergy with Caitlyn's stupid range basically.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Maybe it's just ARAM specifics, but the new Lich Bane is retarded good. I literally 100-0'ed squishies with Sona. It lost some scaling, alright, but conversion to magic damage makes it worth it.
Should try it in serious games on champs who actually synergize with it.
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Lich Bane was always doing magic damage.
It was beyond overpowered before, but nobody used it. I'm really sad it got the nerfbat because now it's just good and not ridiculous 
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On December 09 2012 09:52 Ketara wrote:Lich Bane was always doing magic damage. It was beyond overpowered before, but nobody used it. I'm really sad it got the nerfbat because now it's just good and not ridiculous
I'm pretty damn sure it was always physical. The only champ who did magic damage with it was Poppy but that's only because poppy's Q magically converted sheen procs to magic damage. And it was stupid OP if she was fed.
EDIT: wikia also thinks it was physical.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lich_Bane
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Lich Bane proc was physical before the S3 item changeups. I don't even need to look this up on lolwiki because I 100% remember how it worked due to playing TF and AP Kog. The only difference that Lich Bane had from Sheen and Trinity was that the bonus physical damage was based on your AP, not your base autoattack damage.
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On December 09 2012 09:54 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 09:52 Ketara wrote:Lich Bane was always doing magic damage. It was beyond overpowered before, but nobody used it. I'm really sad it got the nerfbat because now it's just good and not ridiculous I'm pretty damn sure it was always physical. The only champ who did magic damage with it was Poppy but that's only because poppy's Q magically converted sheen procs to magic damage. And it was stupid OP if she was fed. EDIT: wikia also thinks it was physical. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lich_Bane
It was physical.
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On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:25 barbsq wrote:On December 09 2012 07:23 Live2Win wrote:
alright I gotta ask, what is an AD caster exactly? What are some examples? wukong, pantheon, khazix, talon, zed there are others, just naming a few Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit?
Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit?
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yup, it was physical, one of the reasons it was so incredibly good on certain champions because it made it very hard to counter you out by stacking MR. New lichbane is an interesting prospect. The fact it does magic damage kind of sucks, but on the upside it's now more streamlined and affordable. I think TF is going to be even scarier in S3 since he can get his dcap+lichbane combo very quickly and the new DFG is positively terrifying on him. That teleport combo becomes ridiculous with a dfg>lichbane goldcard>wildcards.
On a side note, I really like how they've changed the AP itemisation to be more equal at the top level. Dcap is no longer such a clear choice, but it's also more affordable. Lichbane got the resist stats cleaned off and so on. On the whole it makes it easier for APs to get their core items sorted, but makes them slightly less devastating when they do. Means a fed carry is a little less daunting.
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Cait is not an AD caster, though Graves is much closer to one.
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On December 09 2012 09:54 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 09:52 Ketara wrote:Lich Bane was always doing magic damage. It was beyond overpowered before, but nobody used it. I'm really sad it got the nerfbat because now it's just good and not ridiculous I'm pretty damn sure it was always physical. The only champ who did magic damage with it was Poppy but that's only because poppy's Q magically converted sheen procs to magic damage. And it was stupid OP if she was fed. EDIT: wikia also thinks it was physical. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Lich_Bane
Well, it made the number purple at least. I used to get it in every game.
Purple number means magic damage amirite.
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Magic damage means that the procs take advantage of your magic penetration. Unless the AP was the only one doing well on your team, every team builds armor at some point so the change from physical to magic damage is almost always going to make it better.
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France343 Posts
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison...
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On December 09 2012 10:03 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:25 barbsq wrote:
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wukong, pantheon, khazix, talon, zed
there are others, just naming a few Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit?
Graves is often played more as an burst AD caster in lane anyways, the big reason you build him standard AD carry build is because AD/ARP stacking doesn't scale as well into lategame as a mix of ASP, crit, AD and ARP. Caitlyn is silly, she's just using her abilities to poke/finish people off, her fighting is done mostly with autoattacks.
Renekton and Riven (together with a bunch of other AD casters) rely very heavily on having their spells ready when they trade/fight. If those abilities are on cooldown, they pretty much suck and because of that they will often try to disengage after using their first round of spells.
This is really basic, but If you weave autos and spells, you can use spells without losing out on autoattack damage, and vice versa. That's why you "bother using abilities even if autoattacks have better AD ratio per second".
I have to ask you, do you think that AD caster have to be ranged champions?
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Well, they made Gunblades non unique as well as cleavers.....So I just tried gunblade stack Akali...seems pretty strong.
I think a solid build could be like Sorcs/GB/GB/BV or GA depending on teamfights/GB/GB
The new Bveil is also really really strong, 25 second CD on the shield is just massively better than the 75 health and mana and 5 MR you lost, and its cost is lower, I realllly like it now. The shield is always up. Perfect for champs that jump in or surprise people. Much better than the old one.
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On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison...
Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team.
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