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On December 09 2012 10:30 sob3k wrote:
Well, they made Gunblades non unique as well as cleavers.....So I just tried gunblade stack Akali...seems pretty strong.
I think a solid build could be like Sorcs/GB/GB/BV or GA depending on teamfights/GB/GB
The new Bveil is also really really strong, 25 second CD on the shield is just massively better than the 75 health and mana and 5 MR you lost, and its cost is lower, I realllly like it now. The shield is always up. Perfect for champs that jump in or surprise people. Much better than the old one.
Wow, I missed that entirely, was it in the patchnotes? Could be pretty strong with the amount of lifesteal/spellvamp you can stack with 2-3 of those.
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On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team.
He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff.
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Another way to put it is: "Riot screwed up and removed the unique without intending it".
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On December 09 2012 10:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team. He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff.
Because hindsight is really helpful.
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On December 09 2012 10:03 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:25 barbsq wrote:
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wukong, pantheon, khazix, talon, zed
there are others, just naming a few Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit?
Jesus, trying to converse to you about anything pertaining to this game is about as fruitful as trying to explain why stacking PDs on Hecarim is a terrible idea. It's almost as if you actually have never played this game at all. Literally anyone that has played Caitlyn and Riven at least once would understand how they function completely differently in how their damage is dealt. If you seriously think that they are functionally similar then why don't you just build a PD on Riven after a BF item and not build any AS at all on Caitlyn? They should be interchangeable, according to your nonsense.
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On December 09 2012 10:48 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:03 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:
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Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Jesus, trying to converse to you about anything pertaining to this game is about as fruitful as trying to explain why stacking PDs on Hecarim is a terrible idea.
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On December 09 2012 10:43 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team. He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff. Because hindsight is really helpful.
I don't know. I am certain that he knows not giving the mid laner blue hurts the lane a lot.
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On December 09 2012 10:48 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:03 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On December 09 2012 07:28 Sufficiency wrote:
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Wukong is definitely not an AD caster. He has AS steroid and relies greatly on autoattacking. Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Jesus, trying to converse to you about anything pertaining to this game is about as fruitful as trying to explain why stacking PDs on Hecarim is a terrible idea. It's almost as if you actually have never played this game at all. Literally anyone that has played Caitlyn and Riven at least once would understand how they function completely differently in how their damage is dealt. If you seriously think that they are functionally similar then why don't you just build a PD on Riven after a BF item and not build any AS at all on Caitlyn? They should be interchangeable, according to your nonsense.
Yo, Scarra built PD on Riven once and said it was good. Going by suff's post history, it's apparent that he thinks Scarra is a grand player so PD on Riven might not be so far fetched.
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On December 09 2012 10:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:43 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team. He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff. Because hindsight is really helpful. I don't know. I am certain that he knows not giving the mid laner blue hurts the lane a lot.
Yeah, it does, but not as much as it helps the team when XJ9 carries using blue buff. It's a trade off that not everyone can make worth it but XJ9 does, which is why he's so high Elo. I'd like to see him in tourney games though. See how his strat would work. Since all mid players do is circlejerk and last hit creeps with their infinite mana in pro games I don't think it would work too well.
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Artificially making up definitions for words/phrases, always so gud. This is like the fucking "tank" discussion all over again.
AD caster, Renekton comes to mind first.
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On December 09 2012 10:52 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:43 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team. He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff. Because hindsight is really helpful. I don't know. I am certain that he knows not giving the mid laner blue hurts the lane a lot.
Not really. Depends on the champs involved.
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On December 09 2012 10:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Artificially making up definitions for words/phrases, always so gud. This is like the fucking "tank" discussion all over again.
AD caster, Renekton comes to mind first.
Yeah I mean this concept of AD caster has been in the game since I started playing. AD carries would build IE while people like Pantheon would red pot, bruta and SOTO.
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Everybody was BC stackingggggggggggggggg. Those deaths were fast as lightning.
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On December 09 2012 10:54 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:52 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 10:43 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 10:36 HazMat wrote:On December 09 2012 10:24 komokun wrote:
he's quite an annoying prick but xj9 plays a different kind of jungle... so much farm and taxing St.Vicious looks generous in comparison... Yeah it's insane. There's a reason he was rank 1 for a long time both S2 and S3. His mechanics aren't super amazing but he just knows how to get farmed. I just had a game with him, he had more farm and me (top) and our mid. He's trolly but I like having him on my team. He was on one of scarra's games and took all the blues. I could name at least 3 fights in that game that they could have won the fights if scarra was allowed to have the blue buff. Because hindsight is really helpful. I don't know. I am certain that he knows not giving the mid laner blue hurts the lane a lot. Yeah, it does, but not as much as it helps the team when XJ9 carries using blue buff. It's a trade off that not everyone can make worth it but XJ9 does, which is why he's so high Elo. I'd like to see him in tourney games though. See how his strat would work. Since all mid players do is circlejerk and last hit creeps with their infinite mana in pro games I don't think it would work too well.
Sure, but say it's mana mid laner vs mana mid laner, and one of them has blue. He can just shove the lane 24/7. If you don't have blue, you can either: 1. last hit at the tower while your lane opponent roams; 2 shove back, eventually run out of mana while your lane opponent roams. I think most mid laners roam a lot better than the jungler.
On December 09 2012 10:53 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:48 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 10:03 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 09:26 koreasilver wrote:On December 09 2012 08:46 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:28 hasuprotoss wrote:On December 09 2012 08:25 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 08:07 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 09 2012 07:38 Sufficiency wrote:On December 09 2012 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Yeah, because none of those other AD casters rely on autoattacking either. As "casters" one should expect them to have ranged spells that scales with AD. that is a terrible definition It's actually really important. Autoattacks have much higher scaling than abilities. You're purely arguing semantics. You claimed that casters needed to have a ranged spell, when it's really just using their abilities. In fact I really have no idea what you're saying in your second quote, at all. Pretty much BC is great on anybody who utilizes AD on their abilities that do physical damage. Say you are melee. Autoattacks have better AD ratio per second than any AD scaling abilities. Why bother using abilities for your AD ratio unless the abilities bring out considerable advantage in range or in burst? What in the world are you even arguing about. Does it really have to be explained why Renekton and Riven are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Does it really have to be explained why Graves and Caitlyn are AD casters even if it's necessary to auto attack to make full use of their kit? Jesus, trying to converse to you about anything pertaining to this game is about as fruitful as trying to explain why stacking PDs on Hecarim is a terrible idea. It's almost as if you actually have never played this game at all. Literally anyone that has played Caitlyn and Riven at least once would understand how they function completely differently in how their damage is dealt. If you seriously think that they are functionally similar then why don't you just build a PD on Riven after a BF item and not build any AS at all on Caitlyn? They should be interchangeable, according to your nonsense. Yo, Scarra built PD on Riven once and said it was good. Going by suff's post history, it's apparent that he thinks Scarra is a grand player so PD on Riven might not be so far fetched.
He did?
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On December 09 2012 10:37 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 10:30 sob3k wrote:
Well, they made Gunblades non unique as well as cleavers.....So I just tried gunblade stack Akali...seems pretty strong.
I think a solid build could be like Sorcs/GB/GB/BV or GA depending on teamfights/GB/GB
The new Bveil is also really really strong, 25 second CD on the shield is just massively better than the 75 health and mana and 5 MR you lost, and its cost is lower, I realllly like it now. The shield is always up. Perfect for champs that jump in or surprise people. Much better than the old one. Wow, I missed that entirely, was it in the patchnotes? Could be pretty strong with the amount of lifesteal/spellvamp you can stack with 2-3 of those.
boom boom boom
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Teemo is the reason this game isn't fun
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On December 09 2012 11:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Teemo is the reason this game isn't fun
Don't worry he is getting nerfed.
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I don't really care if he's nerfed or strong he's just not fun to play against, they need to fucking remove him. Blinds are stupid and so are fucking invisible % health mushrooms that slow you.
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I personally like teemo(I only play him when i'm pissed and want to ruin someone's day), he was my highest win % champ in S2. Always split push, always ignore team.
Nidalee on the other hand can go diaf.
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On December 09 2012 11:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't really care if he's nerfed or strong he's just not fun to play against, they need to fucking remove him. Blinds are stupid and so are fucking invisible % health mushrooms that slow you.
Shroom wards with Liandry's OP.
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