EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 121
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:55 TheYango wrote: The thing is, that doesn't address the extremely typical situations where you're popping HP potions to supplement Consume after an extended trade or gank, or popping them to top up after poking situations around objectives where you can't necessarily use Consume easily. HP pots ARE worse than mana pots for long extended sustain scenarios on Nunu, but that completely ignores the very typical scenarios where you still will use HP pots because you need the healing right now. It's probably not an optimal first item, for the reasons you stated, but it honestly makes good on your investment in it that you could reasonably buy it 3rd/4th, sell it less than 10 minutes later for a real item, and have still gotten your money's worth out of it because of how fast it becomes worth it. I don't either. But again, it's not directly ruining the game for most people. It's still shitty design, but that means that it's lower priority than the stuff that IS directly ruining the game. Well, that puts us in agreement, so... there we go. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
5 man homeguard inc. edit: ah ez ult ruined it. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On December 09 2012 04:29 VashTS wrote: So whats the verdict on Athenes on AP mids, or in general, after the changes? Is it still a good item to grab vs aggressive lanes or if you need mana? | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
No idea right now, because there is almost never ap vs ap mid now, its all ad casters. Maybe after black cleaver nerf we can see. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:37 Sermokala wrote: the fun stuff about flash is how it syndergyze's with chalice. Go flask farie in lane and 700g later you'll never have another mana problem again. viktors q's are basicaly free at that point and you can use the death ray sometimes as well. think of it as a replacement for the double d rings. You don't need boots at all with viktor the way his kit works I'm trying to decide between morde or viktor for my mid posision hero and I'm just not sure at this point. I've been going 9/0/21 with Viktor, and starting with amp tome + pot + biscuit. Rush Guise, then augment. It seems to be working fairly well, although I do run into some mana issues. Haven't tried flask faerie start on him yet. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
I don't build it anymore losing 30 AP was pretty harsh. Knocking it down to 70-80 ish would have been okay, but now i can just get tear and catalyst and late game get Liandry's and/or DFG and be way more slot efficient AP wise. I'd actually rather have 3k+ mana than a much smaller mana pool and larger regen especially since Seraph's shield is based on current mana. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 09 2012 06:35 epoc wrote: Black cleaver is op how? Has someone tested this like dueling bruisers with other having black cleaver and other bloodthirster and bc wins with like 80% health remaining? because the passive isn't unique so you can stack them and get hp+dmg+arpen+cdr all on one item that builds out of brutalizer and hp crystal it's being nerfed though | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
remove the ruby crystal (i.e replace with a long sword) and there will be no complaints | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Honestly I could see a 4-protects-1 team running multiple Crucibles, Lockets, and Heals just for overall protective ability/survivability. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On December 09 2012 06:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: because the passive isn't unique so you can stack them and get hp+dmg+arpen+cdr all on one item that builds out of brutalizer and hp crystal it's being nerfed though So it's not op? You don't have any evidence | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 09 2012 06:40 TheYango wrote: Athene's is also competing with Mikael's now as far as what to build your Chalice into. And Mikael's is fantastic. Honestly I could see a 4-protects-1 team running multiple Crucibles, Lockets, and Heals just for overall protective ability/survivability. Which then gets destroyed by the 25 black cleaver team | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
You don't have to run science experiments to know something is op. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
bc is batshit insane twin shadows is the true winner cuz its super good but isnt getting nerfed flask overrated but still strong | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On December 09 2012 06:52 jadoth wrote: You don't have to run science experiments to know something is op. Yes you have to do some math. Just because 2 cleavers give 2 stacks instead of one doesn't make it op | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Riot, why did you have to make this thing a Kage's Pick item. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On December 09 2012 02:51 petered wrote: Or they could just keep it exactly the same but make it so autos don't reduce armor, only physical damage abilities. That way it is less abusable by ranged champs but still lets AD assassin types scale well into the lategame. Not really. If they have to burn most of their cooldowns just to apply the stacks, it helps more whoever comes after them. Also it could mean that it doesn't proc on Talon's Q, for example, while Corki, Ezreal, Graves would have no problems stacking it. On December 09 2012 06:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: I've been going 9/0/21 with Viktor, and starting with amp tome + pot + biscuit. Rush Guise, then augment. It seems to be working fairly well, although I do run into some mana issues. Haven't tried flask faerie start on him yet. That's, uh... brutal. Go smack them down from level 1 onward, eh? One problem I have with items light sightstone and flask is that they compete for slots with whatever else you've got. Not that much of a problem, normally... but then you're Viktor. Flask alone shouldn't be enough mana, and I want some AP on top of the augment so I can OS caster minions at level 5, and OS the full wave (except siege minion) at level 7, flask+dring is as slot-expensive as double dring. Then add boots, augment, and you've only got room for one component on top of your wards (usually for rushing deathcap anyway, I don't think Liandry's would be good on Viktor as his DoTs last far longer than his cc, and he's too AoE-based to make use of DFG either). So if 1 dring+flask is enough with your recalls' frequency to keep up in mana usage, well go for it, it'll give you health sustain as well, but I feel that if other mages have been enhanced by the s3 changes, then Viktor who doesn't really seem to benefit directly from it is comparably a bit weaker. Also 9-0-21 on every damn mage that doesn't ask for defensive masteries, that setup only misses butcher anyway (and eventually ignite mastery). Been loving it, except on Swain who makes farming a hassle.  | ||
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