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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 09 2012 04:44 gtrsrs wrote: gone from what? the game? i've seen katarina use it and ignite still has it i feel like i'm misunderstanding you heartily when you heal with summoner heal it makes other summoner heals less effective until the debuff wears off. also yeah 2-3 lockets = ridiculous power. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 09 2012 04:50 PrinceXizor wrote: when you heal with summoner heal it makes other summoner heals less effective until the debuff wears off. also yeah 2-3 lockets = ridiculous power. It's like DotA back when everyone stacked Meks because they didn't apply the debuff that prevented you from getting healed again by another Mek. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 09 2012 04:55 TheYango wrote: It's like DotA back when everyone stacked Meks because they didn't apply the debuff that prevented you from getting healed again by another Mek. that was funny. tinker mek was pretty good eh?. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Does the debuff just not apply for you, Slayer, or is the debuff just non-functional? | ||
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koreasilver
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:14 UniversalSnip wrote: Most people are in an uproar about cleaver but I'm still suspicious of the little stuff. ESPECIALLY flask. Flask may be brokenly op, but it isnt brokenly op in a way that looks brokenly op and smacks you around with it. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
probably because i play top nunu | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:16 dae wrote: Flask may be brokenly op, but it isnt brokenly op in a way that looks brokenly op and smacks you around with it. That's the thing. Flask is pretty damn good, but the thing is it's impact isn't as suffocating on the play experience. If everyone recognizes Flask is OP, and we see 10 of them are in every game, I still don't think it's ruining anyone's play or making the game significantly less fun for people. It's still poor from a design perspective to have a gameplay element be so ubiquitous, but its not as much of an immediate problem. On December 09 2012 05:19 101toss wrote: flask is overrated probably because i play top nunu Even heavy sustain champs like top Nunu should be using enough pots per game for Flask to be extremely worthwhile. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I saw a Trynd today clearly Cleanse an Ignite and still died from some DoT effect. | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/wingsofdeath | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I understand the ostensible reasoning for it (Banshee's buff coming up in the middle of the fight and blocking a crucial spell feels too luck-based), but I also think that's an avenue with a lot of potential for high-skill play that didn't get explored a lot. In theory, at top level play, players should be counting off the Banshee's CD in their heads--meaning that you should be engaging fights with like 5-10 seconds BEFORE your Banshee's CD comes up, so that when the fight is engaged, the Banshee's shield isn't there to be popped by low-value incidental AoE, but comes up in time to block a high-value spell from someone diving you. A lot of potential for players to mindgame/use their game sense with regard to determining how long they need on their Banshee CD to safely engage. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
I'm trying to decide between morde or viktor for my mid posision hero and I'm just not sure at this point. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:37 Sermokala wrote: the fun stuff about flash is how it syndergyze's with chalice. Go flask farie in lane and 700g later you'll never have another mana problem again. viktors q's are basicaly free at that point and you can use the death ray sometimes as well. chalice by itself pretty much makes anythin free | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:20 TheYango wrote: That's the thing. Flask is pretty damn good, but the thing is it's impact isn't as suffocating on the play experience. If everyone recognizes Flask is OP, and we see 10 of them are in every game, I still don't think it's ruining anyone's play or making the game significantly less fun for people. It's still poor from a design perspective to have a gameplay element be so ubiquitous, but its not as much of an immediate problem. Even heavy sustain champs like top Nunu should be using enough pots per game for Flask to be extremely worthwhile. I made a couple arguments about why Flask is bad on Nunu in the champ thread, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17141891 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17143325 | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On December 09 2012 05:20 TheYango wrote: That's the thing. Flask is pretty damn good, but the thing is it's impact isn't as suffocating on the play experience. If everyone recognizes Flask is OP, and we see 10 of them are in every game, I still don't think it's ruining anyone's play or making the game significantly less fun for people. It's still poor from a design perspective to have a gameplay element be so ubiquitous, but its not as much of an immediate problem. I don't see basically reducing the cost of potions as a great call. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's probably not an optimal first item, for the reasons you stated, but it honestly makes good on your investment in it that you could reasonably buy it 3rd/4th, sell it less than 10 minutes later for a real item, and have still gotten your money's worth out of it because of how fast it becomes worth it. On December 09 2012 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't see basically reducing the cost of potions as a great call. I don't either. But again, it's not directly ruining the game for most people. It's still shitty design, but that means that it's lower priority than the stuff that IS directly ruining the game. | ||
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