[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 144

On September 11 2012 06:40 Cloud9157 wrote:


Can't say I play LB, but I don't understand why she can't kill you at 6. I always thought 6 was where everyone pretty much said "well, I had fun losing half my health from her combo, now I get to lose all of it".

And you're referencing late game Karth, which is pretty much the best ap in the game. No one brings that much damage to a team like he does. Ryze can, but he doesn't apply it to everyone, just kills people one at a time. When I say he has bad matchups, I'm pretty much referencing in lane, which is 1-whenever laning ends.

On September 11 2012 06:58 Seuss wrote:


You'll do more damage with MPen, but at the cost of sustain and trade potential.

With just base MR factored in MPen Akali and Spell Vamp Akali are roughly even in a trade, with Spell Vamp Akali having an extremely slight advantage (which grows as MR increases). The problem for MPen Akali is that between trades Spell Vamp Akali heals for significantly more. MPen Akali, barring jungler intervention or misplays by her opponent, loses the lane to attrition.

Spell Vamp Quints on Karthus are for when you're against an opponent who forces you to farm and outscale them rather than go for the kill. Having a 1000 range ability which bypasses the AoE penalty is absurdly good for weathering harass through Spell Vamp. You don't necessarily use them in all situations.

On September 11 2012 08:25 Agnosthar wrote:


Spellvamp quints on Karthus sounds really terrible to me. You're almost always going catalyst, so you have loads of lane sustain anyway. Plus it's pretty hard to harrass Karthus much when he can last hit from 1k range. Also, missing out on the AP quints can make the difference when ult'ing other lanes.

Calling Karthus the best AP in the game isn't true anymore, the last 2 nerfs to his R and W mean there better AP's to choose from now imo.