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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 11 2012 16:14 GMT
#2861
SOMEONE TELL HIM FAST TO HIDE HIS SKYPE
INB4 DDOS
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 11 2012 16:17 GMT
#2862
What does your skype show that lets you ddos people?
Why don't they just fucking fix skype so you can't?
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 11 2012 16:18 GMT
#2863
On September 12 2012 01:14 OutlaW- wrote:
SOMEONE TELL HIM FAST TO HIDE HIS SKYPE
INB4 DDOS


Pretty sure no one is dumb enough to DDOS a Russian.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
September 11 2012 16:23 GMT
#2864
you still working at mcdonalds?
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 16:37:30
September 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#2865
On September 12 2012 01:17 Slayer91 wrote:
What does your skype show that lets you ddos people?
Why don't they just fucking fix skype so you can't?

Skype pretty much leaks your IP adress to anyone that searches for it.
All you have to do is call a person or send them a file and you'll find the IP your looking for in your cmd..
Cackle™
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
September 11 2012 16:32 GMT
#2866
On September 11 2012 21:31 qtiehunter wrote:
Genuine question:

at what summoner level do people realize that pushing your lane 24/7 is bad in 90% of the cases?


I got you bro. What you're talking about is everyone mindlessly autoattacking minions without even trying to lasthit from level 1 onwards. This is not a question of summ level, but a question of rating. I just started a smurf account to play with a noob friend, and the first few games everyone was just completely brainless. Or at least it seemed that way. Now I've put some games under my belt and reached summ level 3, and people actually start fielding junglers :D Anyways, don't fret about summoner level, if you do well your rating will increase and you will get to play with better people.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 11 2012 16:36 GMT
#2867
On September 11 2012 23:06 Agnosthar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 14:31 Seuss wrote:
On September 11 2012 08:06 Eppa! wrote:
On September 11 2012 06:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:48 Eppa! wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:19 Seuss wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:07 Eppa! wrote:
Why you guys always try to prove me wrong


You make a lot of absolute statements that are pretty easy to prove wrong. See, the forums are an ocean, the posters are sharks, and posts like that are bloody, meaty carcasses some research organization dropped in the water. It's inevitable that everyone is going to fight to take a bite out of the juicy, delicious freebie.

Also, Karthus makes great use of Spell Vamp quints because Q ignores the AoE penalty when you hit a single target. Akali is probably the most obvious champion for Spell Vamp quints outside of Kennen, so I'm surprised no one has mentioned her yet.

Well not all my posts are like that.

However i really disagree with Karthus and Akali on spell vamp quints. Akali is much better of with AD quints and pen marks her damage is so much higher that way.

Also i don't believe Morgana, LB and Ryze are bad MU. Morgana is even; if your blue lane (lane closest to blue) helps you against the first and second blue respawn invade you are winning.

LB is really really easy her scaling sucks sooo hard. sure she can kill you at 7; its not possible at 6 (1v1) you just need to keep up in farm decently and you are going to win the game.

Ryze can't go aggro for a long time if you have a ganking jungler.

Swain is also even he is better 1-5 slighly better 6-10 even 11-15 much worse at 16-18


Can't say I play LB, but I don't understand why she can't kill you at 6. I always thought 6 was where everyone pretty much said "well, I had fun losing half my health from her combo, now I get to lose all of it".

And you're referencing late game Karth, which is pretty much the best ap in the game. No one brings that much damage to a team like he does. Ryze can, but he doesn't apply it to everyone, just kills people one at a time. When I say he has bad matchups, I'm pretty much referencing in lane, which is 1-whenever laning ends.

She need level 4 q to have enough damage to kill you 1v1


On September 11 2012 06:58 Seuss wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:48 Eppa! wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:19 Seuss wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:07 Eppa! wrote:
Why you guys always try to prove me wrong


You make a lot of absolute statements that are pretty easy to prove wrong. See, the forums are an ocean, the posters are sharks, and posts like that are bloody, meaty carcasses some research organization dropped in the water. It's inevitable that everyone is going to fight to take a bite out of the juicy, delicious freebie.

Also, Karthus makes great use of Spell Vamp quints because Q ignores the AoE penalty when you hit a single target. Akali is probably the most obvious champion for Spell Vamp quints outside of Kennen, so I'm surprised no one has mentioned her yet.

Well not all my posts are like that.

However i really disagree with Karthus and Akali on spell vamp quints. Akali is much better of with AD quints and pen marks her damage is so much higher that way.


You'll do more damage with MPen, but at the cost of sustain and trade potential.

With just base MR factored in MPen Akali and Spell Vamp Akali are roughly even in a trade, with Spell Vamp Akali having an extremely slight advantage (which grows as MR increases). The problem for MPen Akali is that between trades Spell Vamp Akali heals for significantly more. MPen Akali, barring jungler intervention or misplays by her opponent, loses the lane to attrition.

Spell Vamp Quints on Karthus are for when you're against an opponent who forces you to farm and outscale them rather than go for the kill. Having a 1000 range ability which bypasses the AoE penalty is absurdly good for weathering harass through Spell Vamp. You don't necessarily use them in all situations.

If you want early game sustain hp regen is much better. Lategame it's worse and lacks the QQ factor but it quite clearly better for early game sustain. Also its bizarre to rune for in case they want to give you an advantage which a freefarm Karthus lane is.

Akali is better


Actually, in the case of Karthus it's incorrect to say that Health Regen Quints are better. By level 3 the amount of healing given by Spell Vamp Quints is roughly equal assuming you use Q to last-hit minions, and only becomes better thereafter or if you're pushing.

Health Regen Quints aren't clearly better than other sustain options, it's always dependent on the matchup and champion involved. They have a slight tendency to be better, but it's not a strong enough trend to always make that assumption.

On September 11 2012 09:32 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 11 2012 08:25 Agnosthar wrote:
On September 11 2012 06:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:48 Eppa! wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:19 Seuss wrote:
On September 11 2012 05:07 Eppa! wrote:
Why you guys always try to prove me wrong


You make a lot of absolute statements that are pretty easy to prove wrong. See, the forums are an ocean, the posters are sharks, and posts like that are bloody, meaty carcasses some research organization dropped in the water. It's inevitable that everyone is going to fight to take a bite out of the juicy, delicious freebie.

Also, Karthus makes great use of Spell Vamp quints because Q ignores the AoE penalty when you hit a single target. Akali is probably the most obvious champion for Spell Vamp quints outside of Kennen, so I'm surprised no one has mentioned her yet.

Well not all my posts are like that.

However i really disagree with Karthus and Akali on spell vamp quints. Akali is much better of with AD quints and pen marks her damage is so much higher that way.

Also i don't believe Morgana, LB and Ryze are bad MU. Morgana is even; if your blue lane (lane closest to blue) helps you against the first and second blue respawn invade you are winning.

LB is really really easy her scaling sucks sooo hard. sure she can kill you at 7; its not possible at 6 (1v1) you just need to keep up in farm decently and you are going to win the game.

Ryze can't go aggro for a long time if you have a ganking jungler.

Swain is also even he is better 1-5 slighly better 6-10 even 11-15 much worse at 16-18


Can't say I play LB, but I don't understand why she can't kill you at 6. I always thought 6 was where everyone pretty much said "well, I had fun losing half my health from her combo, now I get to lose all of it".

And you're referencing late game Karth, which is pretty much the best ap in the game. No one brings that much damage to a team like he does. Ryze can, but he doesn't apply it to everyone, just kills people one at a time. When I say he has bad matchups, I'm pretty much referencing in lane, which is 1-whenever laning ends.


Spellvamp quints on Karthus sounds really terrible to me. You're almost always going catalyst, so you have loads of lane sustain anyway. Plus it's pretty hard to harrass Karthus much when he can last hit from 1k range. Also, missing out on the AP quints can make the difference when ult'ing other lanes.

Calling Karthus the best AP in the game isn't true anymore, the last 2 nerfs to his R and W mean there better AP's to choose from now imo.

Karthus went from AP for every situation to only specific comp, that's not to say he's still got one of the best laning phases in the game. It's fairly stable, most match ups are very doable, the tough match ups are usually ahri/kass, but those aren't impossible lanes by any means.

As far as spellvamp quints on karthus, generally you just shove the lane with Q's, and then back, and you should be back in lane with full mana/health without missing too many cs.


In some cases that works, and in others you're against a champion who can shove harder with less effort. If that was my strategy I'd probably want Movespeed Quints and a quick Boots 2.


After reading this discussion I'm still not understanding the logic behind people picking sustain quints on Karthus.
What champions can harass Karthus hard enough to warrant taking sustain quints? As long as you don't push lane, such is the range and damage of q on single minions it's very do-able to get every cs on your way to 1.3k for Catalyst. Personally once I get Catalyst I've almost never felt like I need more lane sustain. I can afford a Catalyst just before/as I hit level 6, so again, who are you guys laning against that can harass you out of lane through your 3 pots pre-6?
I can think of maybe 1 or 2 champions that can give you that hard a time early on, and vs those champions flat MR blues or even MR quints would surely be better?


It might be a matter of playstyles. I like being aggressive as an AP especially in the current meta where people expect AP mids to roam. With aggression you force the enemy to concentrate their resources on you, making it difficult for them to roam due to damage incurred, mana expended, and farm they'll miss. It also makes it much harder to discern whether you might be trying to set things up for your jungler to gank. If you're passive your opponent has a much easier time dictating the flow of the lane, and your side lanes can suffer as a result.

I tend to find that Catalyst on its own isn't always sufficient to allow for sustained aggression, but it depends on the opponent and their champion. I'm not suggesting that Spell Vamp Quints should always be taken on Karthus, but in certain matchups where you can expect trouble even after Catalyst or where you plan on being aggressive it's a viable option.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
September 11 2012 16:38 GMT
#2868
I see GozuPepper reputation is not unfounded.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 11 2012 16:44 GMT
#2869
On September 12 2012 01:38 WhiteDog wrote:
I see GozuPepper reputation is not unfounded.


He goes by pepper because of his spicy personality.

I just think its hilarious he ended up maining support.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
September 11 2012 16:57 GMT
#2870
On September 12 2012 01:44 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:38 WhiteDog wrote:
I see GozuPepper reputation is not unfounded.


He goes by pepper because of his spicy personality.

I just think its hilarious he ended up maining support.


It's a shame because if he played a solo-lane then it'd be possible to occasionally beat some humility into him in pro-games. Support means theres always a way to protect his ego.

While I don't speak Russian M5 do seem to have a good relationship though, so can't fault him there.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 11 2012 17:02 GMT
#2871
On September 12 2012 01:57 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2012 01:44 sob3k wrote:
On September 12 2012 01:38 WhiteDog wrote:
I see GozuPepper reputation is not unfounded.


He goes by pepper because of his spicy personality.

I just think its hilarious he ended up maining support.


It's a shame because if he played a solo-lane then it'd be possible to occasionally beat some humility into him in pro-games. Support means theres always a way to protect his ego.

While I don't speak Russian M5 do seem to have a good relationship though, so can't fault him there.


Naw man, 100% always jungles fault if I lose lane.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 11 2012 17:03 GMT
#2872
I don't know what you are trying to say, but Gosu pepper is a complete badass, fuck the haters
Carrilord has arrived.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 11 2012 17:04 GMT
#2873
So having spectated azingy a fair amount over the past month and following all the go4lols, I think he's on a different level than anyone else as a jungler. His paths are different, builds are different, thought process is different. Even when every team knows he's gonna pick amumu he ends up outjungling all the strong counterjunglers that are supposed to destroy amumu. He plays a nice skarner, nautilus, mundo, and generally just understands jungling more than anyone I've seen.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 11 2012 17:06 GMT
#2874
On September 12 2012 02:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
So having spectated azingy a fair amount over the past month and following all the go4lols, I think he's on a different level than anyone else as a jungler. His paths are different, builds are different, thought process is different. Even when every team knows he's gonna pick amumu he ends up outjungling all the strong counterjunglers that are supposed to destroy amumu. He plays a nice skarner, nautilus, mundo, and generally just understands jungling more than anyone I've seen.


Does he stream? I might have to start tuning in if so.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22055 Posts
September 11 2012 17:13 GMT
#2875
On September 12 2012 02:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
So having spectated azingy a fair amount over the past month and following all the go4lols, I think he's on a different level than anyone else as a jungler. His paths are different, builds are different, thought process is different. Even when every team knows he's gonna pick amumu he ends up outjungling all the strong counterjunglers that are supposed to destroy amumu. He plays a nice skarner, nautilus, mundo, and generally just understands jungling more than anyone I've seen.


While i have very little experiance of seeing him its a good thing for LoL if more people were like this. This game is so heavy based on FotM and mindless imitation that breaking the mold is never really a bad thing.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 11 2012 17:14 GMT
#2876
his team's also won like the past 4 or 5 go4lols, pretty much destroying every lower tier NA pro team.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 11 2012 17:15 GMT
#2877
On September 12 2012 02:14 zulu_nation8 wrote:
his team's also won like the past 4 or 5 go4lols, pretty much destroying every lower tier NA pro team.


meh
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 11 2012 17:15 GMT
#2878
On September 11 2012 21:31 qtiehunter wrote:
Genuine question:

at what summoner level do people realize that pushing your lane 24/7 is bad in 90% of the cases?

I think this only applies to top lane.... mids get away with it easily, because they push it instantly, and retreat back to their turret for the next wave. bot lane is almost always warded, so it's usually best to push other ad to their towers, and force them to miss cs.
liftlift > tsm
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
September 11 2012 17:20 GMT
#2879
On September 12 2012 01:32 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 21:31 qtiehunter wrote:
Genuine question:

at what summoner level do people realize that pushing your lane 24/7 is bad in 90% of the cases?


I got you bro. What you're talking about is everyone mindlessly autoattacking minions without even trying to lasthit from level 1 onwards. This is not a question of summ level, but a question of rating. I just started a smurf account to play with a noob friend, and the first few games everyone was just completely brainless. Or at least it seemed that way. Now I've put some games under my belt and reached summ level 3, and people actually start fielding junglers :D Anyways, don't fret about summoner level, if you do well your rating will increase and you will get to play with better people.


Oooooooooh. Now you did help me! That's exactly what I needed to know, thanks ^^

Guess it's tryharding time for me then -.- How is rating calculated? Only by W/L ratio or is there any other factor involved like score and game length?

Thanks again!
RIP KT.Violet
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-11 17:24:44
September 11 2012 17:24 GMT
#2880
Just w/l.
FYI my level 20 account has 90 wins and 40 losses and gets 10-50 minute queues, so tryharding too much can backfire
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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