EPTOn July 12 2012 16:25 Sufficiency wrote:
I am pretty sure I gave you a clear solution to your problems.
I am pretty sure I gave you a clear solution to your problems.
No, my problem was that morgana + karthus are much easier to play than lux...
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IMoperator
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No, my problem was that morgana + karthus are much easier to play than lux... | ||
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On July 12 2012 16:42 IMoperator wrote: No, my problem was that morgana + karthus are much easier to play than lux... All Champions have counters. Lux has a lot of them. => Don't play Lux in blind pick. Lux gets countered by all of the FOTM mids and basically all of the FOTY mids so she's a really, really bad pick for blind pick. If you know what your opponent will play she can be strong but otherwise stay away from her in mid. | ||
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Ryuu314
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On July 12 2012 16:42 IMoperator wrote: No, my problem was that morgana + karthus are much easier to play than lux... some champs are easier than others. not much you can do bout that tho :\ | ||
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Nikon
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Fuzzmosis
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If you become a threat, threats to you will pick up oracles. I see it all the time. If people didn't do it for Eve, it would be because they didn't consider you a threat, or refused to spend money on you. The even smarter ones when you're roaming will just pink ward everything. Do it once out of vision, get free kill and force their own oracles. | ||
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IMoperator
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On July 12 2012 16:42 IMoperator wrote: No, my problem was that morgana + karthus are much easier to play than lux... Get used to it. One can argue that Ryze is much simpler to play than any of them since all he needs is to get in range and then mash his face into the keyboard. Some champions are just easier than others. Pre-buff orianna for example was one of the hardest characters in the game to play and yet she was still viable against morgana and karthus. Play better. It's a very difficult lane to begin with but outplay and you can do it. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 12 2012 17:32 IMoperator wrote: I want a super high bursty AP champ, would veigar be a good pick? Or should I save up for someone like Leblanc? Depends on what you're going for. Super high bursty AP honestly isnt' very descriptive. Veigar has the ability to 1-shot 99% of the non-bruiser champions in the game in the mid-late game at the cost of having a relatively bad laning phase/early game, no real mobility to speak of, and reliance on farm (and Q stacks). On the other hand, he has sick sick aoe damage with dark matter and come late game, anyone caught in your extremely good aoe stun will die. In contrast, Leblanc can 1-shot 99% of the non-bruiser champions in the game almost all game long and has a relatively strong laning phase/early game, craptons of mobility, and isn't relatively farm-independent. On the other hand, Leblanc falls off relatively hard because of a lack of any real aoe damage or sustained damage. TBH, I prefer Leblanc over Veigar, but it comes down to a matter of preference. Both are good champions. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On July 12 2012 17:43 Lmui wrote: Get used to it. One can argue that Ryze is much simpler to play than any of them since all he needs is to get in range and then mash his face into the keyboard. Some champions are just easier than others. Pre-buff orianna for example was one of the hardest characters in the game to play and yet she was still viable against morgana and karthus. Play better. It's a very difficult lane to begin with but outplay and you can do it. Lux has one of the highest skillcaps in the game, imo. I've been smashed by Roku on Lux in ways that make me think she's completely overpowered in every regard. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On July 12 2012 17:32 IMoperator wrote: I want a super high bursty AP champ, would veigar be a good pick? Or should I save up for someone like Leblanc? Both are rather mechanically intensive champions that fulfill the job of 100-0ing anyone on the other team with the aid of a dfg. Both do the same job throughout the game, even super lategame, you're going to be focusing one target down to 0. Veigar has the advantage of his event horizon which is a large AoE CC which he relies heavily on to catch someone. On the other hand, Leblanc can sit in a bush, 100-0 the first person walking by and then run away for 20s and be ready to 80-0 the next person. I personally prefer playing leblanc since you can do awesome snipes over walls and abuse mobility but both are very fun to play and rage inducing if you play them well. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 12 2012 17:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Lux has one of the highest skillcaps in the game, imo. I've been smashed by Roku on Lux in ways that make me think she's completely overpowered in every regard. My opinion of Lux is weird. Whenever I play against her in mid lane, if the other guy is good I just get completely molested at long range by Qs and Es and fuckign lazers. But then whenever I try to play them, or if the other guy is LULULFIRSTTIMELUX facerolling commences and it's not Lux that's doing it. | ||
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IMoperator
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 16:50 Morfildur wrote: All Champions have counters. Lux has a lot of them. => Don't play Lux in blind pick. Lux gets countered by all of the FOTM mids and basically all of the FOTY mids so she's a really, really bad pick for blind pick. If you know what your opponent will play she can be strong but otherwise stay away from her in mid. This (which btw, is pretty much what I said as well). Lux is not suitable for blind pick, just as Katarina s not suitable for blind pick. Neither is really UP, per se; Katarina is a strong situational pick in draft; Lux can be a good pick because despite her weak laning phase because her teamfight utility is unmatched for an AP and she has fantastic pokes. I am surprised that you complain about Morgana and Karthus; frankly, these are NOT the most dangerous opponents for Lux. Try laning against a competent (i.e. someone similar to your own skill level) Ahri, LeBlanc, Katarina, or Kassadin. There is almost no way you can win the lane against them because they all got a gap closer of some sort and Lux cannot do damage if her Q is juked. Any reasonably good player will all-in on you at lvl 6 and easily crush you. I used to play a lot of Lux mid while I was climbing up to level 30 (in fact I used to consider her my main). Eventually I had to give her up in blind pick because Lux seriously has a LOT of bad matchups and not a single good matchup (she doesn't counter anyone in particular). I will still play her occasionally in draft to entertain myself because she is fun to play (in fact I just played her a few games ago), but even so I will never pick Lux before I have seen who my opponent is. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 17:54 IMoperator wrote: Kk thanks guys, I've been playing annie mid a lot and I want even more burst dps than that lol, I'll try out veigar first since he's so cheap. Should've definitely played him for free last week though >_< If you want a strong, rounded pick for the mid lane that can carry you to more serious competition after level 30, I think you should consider: Morgana, Ryze, Ahri, Cassiopeia, and the (new) Orianna. Ryze is probably a good starting point imo. I will suggest you stay away from Annie and Veigar in blind pick. Both of them suffer similar problems to Lux. | ||
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IMoperator
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On July 12 2012 17:56 Sufficiency wrote: This (which btw, is pretty much what I said as well). Lux is not suitable for blind pick, just as Katarina s not suitable for blind pick. Neither is really UP, per se; Katarina is a strong situational pick in draft; Lux can be a good pick because despite her weak laning phase because her teamfight utility is unmatched for an AP and she has fantastic pokes. I am surprised that you complain about Morgana and Karthus; frankly, these are NOT the most dangerous opponents for Lux. Try laning against a competent (i.e. someone similar to your own skill level) Ahri, LeBlanc, Katarina, or Kassadin. There is almost no way you can win the lane against them because they all got a gap closer of some sort and Lux cannot do damage if her Q is juked. Any reasonably good player will all-in on you at lvl 6 and easily crush you. I used to play a lot of Lux mid while I was climbing up to level 30 (in fact I used to consider her my main). Eventually I had to give her up in blind pick because Lux seriously has a LOT of bad matchups and not a single good matchup (she doesn't counter anyone in particular). I will still play her occasionally in draft to entertain myself because she is fun to play (in fact I just played her a few games ago), but even so I will never pick Lux before I have seen who my opponent is. Yeah, I've played against LB or Kass and they are really punishing once they get their ults. I wish I could keep playing Lux but the better people I play against the less it gets viable I guess. She's really fun to play though  | ||
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clazerxsniper
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On July 12 2012 16:16 IMoperator wrote: God, why do some champs have to be super easy compared to others? Playing Lux mid vs. morgana or karthus makes me want to smash my monitor. Giggled when u claimed that karthus is easy | ||
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JackDino
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On July 12 2012 18:12 AsnSensation wrote: Giggled when u claimed that karthus is easy Just mash dat R key yo. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 12 2012 18:03 IMoperator wrote: Yeah, I've played against LB or Kass and they are really punishing once they get their ults. I wish I could keep playing Lux but the better people I play against the less it gets viable I guess. She's really fun to play though Lux is playable in draft. The only problem with picking Lux is that you cannot FP her so you are basically picking Lux instead of a possibly strong counterpick. That being said, so long as you are outside of Lux's death zone (mostly consisted of champions with crazy movement steroid, gap closers or crazy sustain), it will be a skill matchup which you can win if you land some good Q's. I think my Lux is OK, but I am not ballsy enough to FP her in draft nor play her in blind. Ahri is still FotM and LeBlanc has been getting some attention with her recent buffs. It's just way too dangerous to pick Lux this way right now =\. | ||
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