[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 68

On July 12 2012 14:55 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Is AD TF viable to any extent? Why/why not? Just trying to understand thanks!

On July 12 2012 14:35 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah, what symbolic said

he's like kog with less range, more cc, less damage, and the best auto attack animation in the game

if you find a way to protect him in teamfights, he's a great teammate. and taric/varus at 6 is a kill 100% of the time, no matter who your jungler is. taric flash stun, varus ult, blow everything, double kill. even jungle karma could make that gank work

On July 12 2012 14:47 symbolic wrote:

Sivir is now probably the worst AD because Draven was released. Draven has much better damage, higher range, and higher mobility.

Only use she has is being a good pick against graves but graves isn't that scary anymore.

On July 12 2012 15:04 barbsq wrote:


largely due to how wicked strong AP tf is; his lack of a proper, scaling steroid doesn't help his case either.

That said, there are a few people who try to make it work, and it isn't totally unheard of, just considered more like AD kennen or teemo more than anything else.

On July 12 2012 15:14 Ryuu314 wrote:

The two aren't similar at all. Sivir has much better burst; if you Q+auto+W+auto+Q(returning) is a shitton of burst damage that also does a very good amount of aoe damage as well. Draven is much more single target oriented and has more sustained damage rather than burst. In terms of steroids, Draven's W steroid has better initial movespeed boost, but Sivir's gives more attack speed and is also an AoE buff to your team+minions.

They're not similar at all. Sivir's not as strong as she was pre-nerf, but she's still very good in the right team comps/situations.

On July 12 2012 15:53 tobi9999 wrote:
http://imgur.com/1fhnv
Last eve game I'm playing before rework.

Honestly, hero was fine, had 40% win rate in 2k elo + according to the statistics, and that's taking into account the people who feed intentionally with Eve.

These unranked people in normals were making fun of me saying "You know the rework hasn't happened yet?" before I wrecked them haha.

Wish people would stop complaining to riot to fix things that aren't broken. Like just because you can't play Eve doesn't mean the champions bad.

But then again, my opinion is probably a minority.

On July 12 2012 15:55 Sufficiency wrote:


Evelynn needs a gap closer because her spells are melee range and/or she wants to use melee attacks. Her "gap closer" is her W, which is countered by oracles.

On July 12 2012 15:55 Sufficiency wrote:


Evelynn needs a gap closer because her spells are melee range and/or she wants to use melee attacks. Her "gap closer" is her W, which is countered by oracles.

On July 12 2012 16:08 tobi9999 wrote:


I'm assuming you don't actually play Evelynn( I'll be honest, I don't play her in ranked either, but normal draft is too fun to not pick eve in), but if you do what I've found to be most effective is standing in between 2 towers and killing the creeps when they get to you while the enemy is far away. (late game at least)

And early to mid game you shouldn't be getting caught by oracles.

Also, unless this is some different game we're playing here, usually it's the support or jungler that has the oracles. People could switch it up, but hey, not even the pros do most of the time. If you split push as eve, either they don't have oracles and are helpless as you pop up next to them and murder them, or they have oracles and are useless against, or there's 2 people in which case you can escape with your ult and have your team take a small objective if you're losing, or a big adjective if you're even/ahead.

I guarantee you'll never have master yi or tryndamere with oracles on your ass.

Eve can get really big early game really easily because stealth is broken, and the base damage on her e is stupidly high.

I'll be a little more honest though, Eve's strongest point early game is that she's not expected. People are too used to playing against shaco who isn't as good at "camping" because he actually has to show himself if he attempts something. Or twitch who can't clear the jungle for shit so you know for a fact the gank is coming.

EDIT: my point is, the most Eve needed was her passive to apply to jungle creeps or give her some base stat boosts, not this rework. In fact, they could just buff her health per lvl/health regen and I'd play her lmao.

On July 12 2012 16:16 IMoperator wrote:
God, why do some champs have to be super easy compared to others? Playing Lux mid vs. morgana or karthus makes me want to smash my monitor.

On July 12 2012 16:18 Sufficiency wrote:


Not sure why you are playing Lux against Morgana in the first place. If you picked Lux against Morg it's totally your fault. If you FP'ed Lux and they picked Morg, you should be glad - a Katarina counterpick against Lux is deadly.

On July 12 2012 16:19 IMoperator wrote:

I play blind pick i'm not 30 yet...

On July 12 2012 16:21 Sufficiency wrote:


OK. What you described is why I don't play blind. Unless you are playing a "safe" champion, imo blind pick is about luck.

On July 12 2012 16:23 IMoperator wrote:

That doesn't really have anything to do with my aforementioned problem.

On July 12 2012 16:16 IMoperator wrote:
God, why do some champs have to be super easy compared to others? Playing Lux mid vs. morgana or karthus makes me want to smash my monitor.

On July 12 2012 16:26 tobi9999 wrote:


karthus just walks up to you with e and he can literally tower dive kill you. Morgana is for the most part a farm lane that you have to get blue in.

Pre-30 you can win anything by just being able to last hit a little better then following your jungle around for ganks. It's also highly likely that the enemy mid laner will literally push to your tower and stand on your tower when you've left long enough. You can kill him 2v1 with your jungler then.

And....... I wouldn't necessarily say that Karthus and Morgana are "easy", just straightforward. You still have to have good mechanics to do good ;P

On July 12 2012 15:53 tobi9999 wrote:
http://imgur.com/1fhnv
Last eve game I'm playing before rework.

Honestly, hero was fine, had 40% win rate in 2k elo + according to the statistics, and that's taking into account the people who feed intentionally with Eve.

These unranked people in normals were making fun of me saying "You know the rework hasn't happened yet?" before I wrecked them haha.

Wish people would stop complaining to riot to fix things that aren't broken. Like just because you can't play Eve doesn't mean the champions bad.

But then again, my opinion is probably a minority.

On July 12 2012 16:08 tobi9999 wrote:


I'm assuming you don't actually play Evelynn( I'll be honest, I don't play her in ranked either, but normal draft is too fun to not pick eve in), but if you do what I've found to be most effective is standing in between 2 towers and killing the creeps when they get to you while the enemy is far away. (late game at least)

And early to mid game you shouldn't be getting caught by oracles.

Also, unless this is some different game we're playing here, usually it's the support or jungler that has the oracles. People could switch it up, but hey, not even the pros do most of the time. If you split push as eve, either they don't have oracles and are helpless as you pop up next to them and murder them, or they have oracles and are useless against, or there's 2 people in which case you can escape with your ult and have your team take a small objective if you're losing, or a big adjective if you're even/ahead.

I guarantee you'll never have master yi or tryndamere with oracles on your ass.

Eve can get really big early game really easily because stealth is broken, and the base damage on her e is stupidly high.

I'll be a little more honest though, Eve's strongest point early game is that she's not expected. People are too used to playing against shaco who isn't as good at "camping" because he actually has to show himself if he attempts something. Or twitch who can't clear the jungle for shit so you know for a fact the gank is coming.

EDIT: my point is, the most Eve needed was her passive to apply to jungle creeps or give her some base stat boosts, not this rework. In fact, they could just buff her health per lvl/health regen and I'd play her lmao.

EDIT2: @spinesheath, Udyr sort of works differently in the fact that when he catches up to you you're fucked though :/. And getting kited IS his biggest weakness.