EPT[Patch 1.0.0.142: Jayce] General Discussion - Page 71
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Slayer91
Ireland23403 Posts
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NotTheMonker
United States131 Posts
On July 12 2012 21:45 haflo wrote: I am looking for an additional jungler , I own a couple of them but i mostly find Mundo to my liking. my requests are: 1) decent clear speed 2) able to pressure / gank from early on (not necessary level 2 , but for example i find ww waiting to six a bit problematic in my (low) elo range , since the game might be practically over by six , and people do not know how to play safe most of the time . 3) strong tanky late game . i currently own WW udyr but i am not good enough to make counter jungling work . (and lane awareness is not something i want to count on ) and udyr gank potential is a bit low to my taste and WW as i mentioned , his ability to gank without ultimate is too low , clearing a bit slow so i am looking for someone who can fill the above criteria , for when i will finally get to 30 and play rank i could jungle comfortably even when mundo not available . I've been having a lot of success with Alistar at low Elo. He has really strong ganks and clears the small, non-golem camps fast and is really tanky with his ult. Also, you get him free if you subscribe to Riot on Facebook and Youtube. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On July 12 2012 21:45 haflo wrote: I am looking for an additional jungler , I own a couple of them but i mostly find Mundo to my liking. my requests are: 1) decent clear speed 2) able to pressure / gank from early on (not necessary level 2 , but for example i find ww waiting to six a bit problematic in my (low) elo range , since the game might be practically over by six , and people do not know how to play safe most of the time . 3) strong tanky late game . i currently own WW udyr but i am not good enough to make counter jungling work . (and lane awareness is not something i want to count on ) and udyr gank potential is a bit low to my taste and WW as i mentioned , his ability to gank without ultimate is too low , clearing a bit slow so i am looking for someone who can fill the above criteria , for when i will finally get to 30 and play rank i could jungle comfortably even when mundo not available . My favourites are Maokai Good jungle speed, strong ganks with hard cc, tanky enough to tower dive early on and can finish off opponents with his saplings from a deceiving range. Good teamfight ult and a long range poke for lategame. Olaf Fast jungler, can do very effective level 2/3 ganks but has no hard cc. Can dive really good in teamfights and also has a nice poke. I also love throwing axes at people and i'm a viking at heart, so i might be slightly biased. Don't use the Brolaf skin. Listen to music from scandinavian metal bands while playing him for a 50% damage boost. Nocturne Very fast jungle speed, plays similar to WW with very strong ganks past level 6 and weak ganks pre 6 but he should reach 6 faster than WW. Fear and Ult are nice for teamfights. Alistar, Amumu, Nautilus and Lee Sin can be nice, too, but i haven't really played them yet. They all can gank pre-6. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 12 2012 21:55 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: @haflo: Shyvana, Sejuani, Nautilus, Alistar I definitely would not categorize Sejuani under "decent clear speed." My personal jungle preferences are Udyr, Lee Sin, Amumu, Nautilus I also jungle Nocturne, Shyvana, Mundo, Maokai from time to time Alistar and Shaco are also great junglers who are very gank oriented; I don't play them because jungling them makes me feel dirty. | ||
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FyyN
Austria17 Posts
Take this with a grain of salt though, i am not very good at this game and am playign normals mostly. Edit: Also i like him because he is non-standard =) | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
Has anyone had a lot more lux in their games lately? With all this talk about her, I've been reminded that I've seen a lux in 4/10 of my games so far | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:06 Ryuu314 wrote: I definitely would not categorize Sejuani under "decent clear speed." We shall have to agree to disagree. I find her clear speed is decent to good (a bit slower than Shyvana I've found) depending on how you run her and her lvl 2-3 ganks are surprisingly potent although require a little planning. Then again, I am biased on several levels. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23403 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Nocturne can gank well before 6, his Q gives him a MS boost and he's got his fear. Sure, you need your lane to bait so you can come as soon as your target commits but still. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:46 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: We shall have to agree to disagree. I find her clear speed is decent to good (a bit slower than Shyvana I've found) depending on how you run her and her lvl 2-3 ganks are surprisingly potent although require a little planning. Then again, I am biased on several levels. Sej is good once she gets rolling. In early levels her dueling and clear speed leave her vulnerable to counter jungling. Sej's early game really leaves a lot to be desired vs aggressive teams or counter gank situations. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:46 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: We shall have to agree to disagree. I find her clear speed is decent to good (a bit slower than Shyvana I've found) depending on how you run her and her lvl 2-3 ganks are surprisingly potent although require a little planning. Then again, I am biased on several levels. Don't get me wrong, I love Sejuani. I just find that her level 1-2 W does absolutely no damage whatsoever. Clearing wolves->blue->wolves->wraiths is just so goddam slow. By the time you finish blue the other jungler has plenty of time to go into your jungle, jack wraiths and red and take a dump on your bot lane if it's like Lee Sin or smth. Once Sej gets like level 4~5 she can clear pretty darn well, but she's just so vulnerable early on I don't think it's worth it. That said, if she gets rolling her ganks and teamfight is just ridiculous. Practically a guaranteed kill if your ulti is up and you can easily burn summoners without it too. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 12 2012 21:45 haflo wrote: I am looking for an additional jungler , I own a couple of them but i mostly find Mundo to my liking. my requests are: 1) decent clear speed 2) able to pressure / gank from early on (not necessary level 2 , but for example i find ww waiting to six a bit problematic in my (low) elo range , since the game might be practically over by six , and people do not know how to play safe most of the time . 3) strong tanky late game . i currently own WW udyr but i am not good enough to make counter jungling work . (and lane awareness is not something i want to count on ) and udyr gank potential is a bit low to my taste and WW as i mentioned , his ability to gank without ultimate is too low , clearing a bit slow so i am looking for someone who can fill the above criteria , for when i will finally get to 30 and play rank i could jungle comfortably even when mundo not available . One that's kind of situational and "under the radar" right now is Jax. He's not a tanky champ, per say, but he's one of those champs that can build tanky and still do a bunch of damage if fed. His early game ganks are pretty brutal as well once you learn how to time/abuse his Leap Strike/Counter-Strike combo. With red up, if you manage to land the stun, it's a guaranteed Flash or kill most of the time. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:23 Requizen wrote: One that's kind of situational and "under the radar" right now is Jax. He's not a tanky champ, per say, but he's one of those champs that can build tanky and still do a bunch of damage if fed. His early game ganks are pretty brutal as well once you learn how to time/abuse his Leap Strike/Counter-Strike combo. With red up, if you manage to land the stun, it's a guaranteed Flash or kill most of the time. He really wants farm and his laning's pretty good so I'd rather just lane Jax instead. His jungle is decent tho. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11990 Posts
On July 12 2012 21:45 haflo wrote: ^I am looking for an additional jungler , I own a couple of them but i mostly find Mundo to my liking. my requests are: 1) decent clear speed 2) able to pressure / gank from early on (not necessary level 2 , but for example i find ww waiting to six a bit problematic in my (low) elo range , since the game might be practically over by six , and people do not know how to play safe most of the time . 3) strong tanky late game . i currently own WW udyr but i am not good enough to make counter jungling work . (and lane awareness is not something i want to count on ) and udyr gank potential is a bit low to my taste and WW as i mentioned , his ability to gank without ultimate is too low , clearing a bit slow so i am looking for someone who can fill the above criteria , for when i will finally get to 30 and play rank i could jungle comfortably even when mundo not available . Shyv is similar to Mundo in the jungle, but her ganks are weaker. Naut and Amumu are a bit slower, and less save early on, but both have pretty good ganks. I'd say if you want to invest the IP, Naut is very, very good. Amumu is good, too, and plays pretty similar to Naut. Both can easily be counterjungled early because of their weak level 1-3, both have good ganks and very good teamfight potential due to good CC. Nautilus Pre-6 ganks are better, but Amumus initiation lategame is just godly, and can easily win teamfights without the enemy having any chance to react. Nauts CC is very strong in teamfights, too, but he usually can't initiate as good as Amumu. For your specific needs, i'd say you need Nautilus, but he has a tendency to be banned a lot because of his crazy strong ganks. Id still just get both of them, they both rock and should be in the arsenal of any jungler. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:24 Ryuu314 wrote: He really wants farm and his laning's pretty good so I'd rather just lane Jax instead. His jungle is decent tho. Well yeah, top is his happy place, but his jungle is really solid, especially at low elo where he can get fed off ganks and just become an unstoppable killing machine. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23403 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I don't see Jax able to crush Malphite by going all-in early on since his first levels are weak anyway, and since Malph is more level- than farm-dependant when it comes to crushing auto-attackers... I don't see Jax killing/zoning Malphite without heavy jungle intervention, and Malph doesn't even want to kill/beat Jax, just to farm his core unhindered. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23403 Posts
(depending on if you spam q or not I guess, jax can use more mana, both malph and jax q are mana heavy for not so much damage) | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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