EPT1. Buy Corki now
2. Save for Graves
3. Save for Kog'Maw
4. Save for something else(Ezreal, Caitlyn, Varus)
Currently leaning towards Graves and ololoing into 1.8k elo or whatever
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Shikyo
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1. Buy Corki now 2. Save for Graves 3. Save for Kog'Maw 4. Save for something else(Ezreal, Caitlyn, Varus) Currently leaning towards Graves and ololoing into 1.8k elo or whatever | ||
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Mogwai
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Ferrose
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On June 16 2012 02:59 Seuss wrote: The last time I watched Oddone play Hecarim he maxed E before Q or W. You might as well max Bear Stance on jungle Udyr. Hecarim is a strong jungler, but most players/teams aren't familiar with him and what he can do. The safe build for Hecarim is:
If you get fed or need to do more damage you can build Avarice/GB instead for more damage, but if you build that way you need to be a lot smarter about your positioning and teamfight entrances (hence the "safe" build being more tanky). CDR turns you into a monster because Q is a lot of damage and W is a lot of tankiness. That's similar to what I usually do, but I usually just get Triforce for damage once I'm tanky. I build him pretty much exactly like I do Skarner, except I don't get Wit's since Hecarim doesn't really have any attack speed scaling. | ||
TheYango
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UniversalSnip
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On June 16 2012 03:16 Shikyo wrote: Help me decide: 1. Buy Corki now 2. Save for Graves 3. Save for Kog'Maw 4. Save for something else(Ezreal, Caitlyn, Varus) Currently leaning towards Graves and ololoing into 1.8k elo or whatever I know you have this fetish for unconventional stuff, try corki mid, I think you'll like it | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:16 Shikyo wrote: Help me decide: 1. Buy Corki now 2. Save for Graves 3. Save for Kog'Maw 4. Save for something else(Ezreal, Caitlyn, Varus) Currently leaning towards Graves and ololoing into 1.8k elo or whatever Corki or Graves | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:05 Mogwai wrote: Given how much time everyone spends playing this game and the level of dedication that some teams have for getting better, I think it's fair to say that "everyone is bad" is equivalent to "this game is hard to master." Unless of course you want to assume that everyone who takes this game seriously is a retard. I honestly don't consider streaming solo q all day good and dedicated practice. To me it seems there is still lots of derping around going on which can't be compared to good practice with A/B-teams and 5n5 all day long. Yes, I know it seems to be getting better but it's still nowhere near the level you see as DotA / BW. Edit: I just clicked solomid streams to verify my point, since I don't really see many big names around, has the "ima stream all day and baylife" changed a lot recently or is it just the time atm? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:33 UniversalSnip wrote: I know you have this fetish for unconventional stuff, try corki mid, I think you'll like it Actually for once I'm trying to tryhard learn to AD bottom lane ~ Still leaning towards saving for Graves and buying Corki with the next 3150 IP | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:42 Shikyo wrote: Actually for once I'm trying to tryhard learn to AD bottom lane ~ If you're going for srs AD, take my suggestions. Learning Trist/Ashe is also very good. Those two are stronk staples for a reason (range/initiation respectively) Corki/Graves is just tons of damage. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:46 NeoIllusions wrote: If you're going for srs AD, take my suggestions. Learning Trist/Ashe is also very good. Those two are stronk staples for a reason (range/initiation respectively) Corki/Graves is just tons of damage. I hate Tristana because her passive really fucks my lasthitting up and for that reason I try to avoid playing her I tried getting into Ashe but went 2-11 despite having almost 5.0 KDA and almost every game where I got fed I just couldn't carry so I'm not playing her until I'm more confident in my general bottom lane play because I have an Ashe phobia as some of those losses were quite painful | ||
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Dandel Ion
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 16 2012 03:42 Shikyo wrote: Actually for once I'm trying to tryhard learn to AD bottom lane ~ In that case, Corki really strong during mid game and has a strong late game. Personally I think his laning isn't as good as a lot of other ADs (it's not terrible either). I think Corki is probably one of the most well-rounded ADs. Graves is gonna let you just completely destroy people who are worse than you in skill bottom lane. Like, I'm pretty sure if you're just straight better than someone it will not be uncommon for you to get 3-4 kills in lane as Graves. If you're even in skill, Graves will still let you come out ahead in CS. His laning is just that ridiculous and I don't think he has any bad match up except for the obvious ones (like Urgot and to a degree Caitlyn but he handles Caitlyn way better than most other ADs). To top off his insane early game he has one of the better mid games for AD carries and his late game is strong too because of his AS buff on his E. Kog was originally thought to be a bad laner but I'm pretty sure most everyone agrees that his lane phase is actually pretty solid. You just have to deal with having zero escapes as Kog. If you can get through lane phase and position properly Kog is really strong in solo queue even if you have teammates who don't protect you (just need to position well which is easy because Kog's range is ridiculous and he melts people). Ez is most fun AD by far. I think that Ez is just as good as Corki in solo queue you just have to be good at Ez. Caitlyn is fine but you need to get an advantage with her early game because her late game dps is kind of weak since she has no steroids at all and her ult is basically worthless late game. Varus is decent but if you wanted to play an AD with early/mid dps you'd just play Graves and if you wanted to play an AD with utility you'd just play Ashe. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We9rxSe2yL0 Saintvicious interview. Declares that TPA is strongest team in the world. Prophet Yango calls it again. | ||
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Flakes
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On June 16 2012 03:51 overt wrote: In that case, Corki really strong during mid game and has a strong late game. Personally I think his laning isn't as good as a lot of other ADs (it's not terrible either). I think Corki is probably one of the most well-rounded ADs. Graves is gonna let you just completely destroy people who are worse than you in skill bottom lane. Like, I'm pretty sure if you're just straight better than someone it will not be uncommon for you to get 3-4 kills in lane as Graves. If you're even in skill, Graves will still let you come out ahead in CS. His laning is just that ridiculous and I don't think he has any bad match up except for the obvious ones (like Urgot and to a degree Caitlyn but he handles Caitlyn way better than most other ADs). To top off his insane early game he has one of the better mid games for AD carries and his late game is strong too because of his AS buff on his E. Kog was originally thought to be a bad laner but I'm pretty sure most everyone agrees that his lane phase is actually pretty solid. You just have to deal with having zero escapes as Kog. If you can get through lane phase and position properly Kog is really strong in solo queue even if you have teammates who don't protect you (just need to position well which is easy because Kog's range is ridiculous and he melts people). Ez is most fun AD by far. I think that Ez is just as good as Corki in solo queue you just have to be good at Ez. Caitlyn is fine but you need to get an advantage with her early game because her late game dps is kind of weak since she has no steroids at all and her ult is basically worthless late game. Varus is decent but if you wanted to play an AD with early/mid dps you'd just play Graves and if you wanted to play an AD with utility you'd just play Ashe. /agree with this more than your "graves is better version of corki,"  roflcopter's got a little bit of everything: poke, escape, effectiveness vs tanks, and two types of bush checks. Because of this, I usually recommend corki to people who are new to AD (his passive and smooth attack animation make early lasthitting really easy, too). Also there's not too much pressure to land all your spells perfectly or save them for the 'right moment' (other than valk) since they are more about damage than utility, and are pretty much fire & forget.Graves has DARKNESS which is insane in solo queue if you use it right. He is better at manly brawling in general which gives him more freedom to run in and pop squishies without getting destroyed by bruisers. Graves is useful in more situations than many other carries at his current power level. | ||
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