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Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
June 15 2012 13:53 GMT
#1561
I'm watching Aphromoo's stream.

He's like the Chris Rock of LoL. Hilarious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 15 2012 13:56 GMT
#1562
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.

flat armor seal, AD red, flat armor quint, mres blue
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 14:08:04
June 15 2012 14:05 GMT
#1563
Basically the thing about morgana vs fizz is that it is extremely hard to snare fizz well and if you push fizz can Q you easily since creeps do little damage to him. Also you will never be able to last hit with auto attacks as morgana since Fizz q out ranges her auto. If you are confident in Morgana vs Fizz its doable (would still say it favours fizz) you will be able to keep up in farm if you get wraiths early (5ish) The thing is that nobody has extensive play time in the MU hence why he is banned vs fizz players. Also farming undertower is easy as hell W and his base damage is good.

At 30 ms you can dodge dark binding on reaction.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 15 2012 14:10 GMT
#1564
On June 15 2012 22:53 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg.


I can't stand being bitched at anymore for banning Morgana/Kassadin/etc. The other team getting Morgana isn't what loses games, people panicking because she was picked is what loses games. I've noticed that most of the people who pick the "OP" champs thinking it's a free win usually suck anyway.

I even tried Kassadin during the free week recently and holy crap that guy is hard to play. I don't know how he ever got to god-mode free win status.

??

ok here's my guide for kassadin at ~1200 elo:

1. go mid
2. get zoned hard because you're kassadin, get like 10 cs
3. go bot
4. get double kill
5. go top
6. get kill
7. walk into jungle
8. get kill
9. go back to mid now that you're 1k gold ahead of their mid

always gank never not gank baddies die to kassadin ganks every time
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 14:16:52
June 15 2012 14:13 GMT
#1565
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.


I find http://www.lolpro.com/ to be quite a good resource for such questions.
Check the champs you like and pick the runes for those.

Jungle and Top Lane basically all have flat armor seals (yellow) and scaling magic resist glyphs (blue), though flat magic resist isn't too bad either. Since top lanes are mostly AD based, your scaling magic resist will be stronger once the teamfight phase starts and you actually get hit by magic damage.

Marks (red): Flat attack damage or armor penetration are common choices for AD based top/jungle champions, usually they are almost exchangeable in their effectiveness. For AP champions like shen or kennen, flat magic penetration is common. For champions like Warwick Attack Speed is nice, too, but usually you can play them with AD runes, too, until you can afford AS runes.

Quints (big brown) vary a lot, for junglers it's often +movement speed which is also great on many melee based top champions since you can chase targets down more easily as well as escape ganks. You also can't go wrong with flat armor or flat AD.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 15 2012 14:17 GMT
#1566
On June 15 2012 23:10 mcimba42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:53 Ferrose wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg.


I can't stand being bitched at anymore for banning Morgana/Kassadin/etc. The other team getting Morgana isn't what loses games, people panicking because she was picked is what loses games. I've noticed that most of the people who pick the "OP" champs thinking it's a free win usually suck anyway.

I even tried Kassadin during the free week recently and holy crap that guy is hard to play. I don't know how he ever got to god-mode free win status.

??

ok here's my guide for kassadin at ~1200 elo:

1. go mid
2. get zoned hard because you're kassadin, get like 10 cs
3. go bot
4. get double kill
5. go top
6. get kill
7. walk into jungle
8. get kill
9. go back to mid now that you're 1k gold ahead of their mid

always gank never not gank baddies die to kassadin ganks every time


You know who has stronger ganks than Kass? Just like... every other mage in the game. Especially since most of them deal the same damage and actually have hard CC.

If you gonna die to a Kass gank you gonna die to a Fiddle/Brand/Viktor/LB/Annie/Gragas/Morg/Karthus/Ryze/Veigar/Cass/Ori/Anivia/Fizz/etc ganks too.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 15 2012 14:21 GMT
#1567
If you notice them missing you just run to your tower. Kass will dive you and survive anyway (well, same with LB admittedly), and when he's got blue he can get to your lane faster than your mid can follow him.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 15 2012 14:27 GMT
#1568
dont forget this is 1200 elo, they dont get caught by someone running into their lane from the river bush, but they always get caught by kass, then they say "fuck gay noob champ" and go on tilt for the rest of the game

do not try to apply common sense to low elo
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
June 15 2012 14:38 GMT
#1569
On June 15 2012 23:27 mcimba42 wrote:
dont forget this is 1200 elo, they dont get caught by someone running into their lane from the river bush, but they always get caught by kass, then they say "fuck gay noob champ" and go on tilt for the rest of the game

do not try to apply common sense to low elo


They do, all the time.

Kassadin is also strong because the other mid is gonna be like "Uh he silenced me and used his long cooldowns on me to take a part of my health, better run!". So they don´t even beat him before lvl 6. The only way Kassadin isn´t an insta win is when you get zoned so hard by the jungler you can´t even hit lvl 6 at a reasonable time. It´s kinda sad really, how people really just refuse to learn.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 14:44:52
June 15 2012 14:44 GMT
#1570
It's kinda the same with Olaf: people let you E them then run back without trying to retaliate when they don't outright flee, and you play against one you just rush him as soon as he makes it clear he'll E you, and he's all "Aha, I took a chunk of his HP, I've got the advantage now, gotta eat all his spells while I only have my aa!".
Particularly hilarious as Irelia. "Hoy buddy, thanks for the free stun, now how about you eat some true damage too?"

And mid it's true with Veigar and LB too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
June 15 2012 14:50 GMT
#1571
On June 15 2012 22:56 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.

flat armor seal, AD red, flat armor quint, mres blue

Why armor quints? Movespeed/AD quints seem more flexible.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 14:53:40
June 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#1572
On June 15 2012 19:10 JackDino wrote:
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On June 15 2012 19:08 r.Evo wrote:
Just steal from Valve. The current system for dodging/being reported in DotA 2 is...

You get thrown into a queue with people who dodge themselves and get reported as much as you do. This queue has a low priority (takes ages to find games) and seems to be a really good motivation to behave yourself. =D

Which sounds good, unless you dc or the client crashes and you're stuck with a bunch of asses.
Would have to make it a minimum of 5 or 10 dodges or so.

In DotA its 2 within 24 hours, which I find is usually more than reasonable.

On June 15 2012 23:17 iCanada wrote:
You know who has stronger ganks than Kass? Just like... every other mage in the game. Especially since most of them deal the same damage and actually have hard CC.

If you gonna die to a Kass gank you gonna die to a Fiddle/Brand/Viktor/LB/Annie/Gragas/Morg/Karthus/Ryze/Veigar/Cass/Ori/Anivia/Fizz/etc ganks too.

The majority of those guys can't gank past wards. Wards give people a false sense of security, so as long as you know where to ult to evade them, you can clean up some really easy kills.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 15 2012 14:55 GMT
#1573
On June 15 2012 23:50 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:56 Shikyo wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.

flat armor seal, AD red, flat armor quint, mres blue

Why armor quints? Movespeed/AD quints seem more flexible.


Easier jungle, makes trading/passive farming easier top. Sure it's not always optimal but it's useful in a lot of cases, unless there's a Kennen or something going against you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
June 15 2012 15:02 GMT
#1574
On June 15 2012 23:44 Alaric wrote:
It's kinda the same with Olaf: people let you E them then run back without trying to retaliate when they don't outright flee, and you play against one you just rush him as soon as he makes it clear he'll E you, and he's all "Aha, I took a chunk of his HP, I've got the advantage now, gotta eat all his spells while I only have my aa!".
Particularly hilarious as Irelia. "Hoy buddy, thanks for the free stun, now how about you eat some true damage too?"

And mid it's true with Veigar and LB too.


Since i'm a relatively new player (actively playing since maybe 4-5 month) i still remember that phase and i noticed that it comes with experience. Newer players have a "i take damage, i have to run!" reflex, they forget about cooldowns once they lose health. Not panicing, staying to fight and knowing the cooldowns of enemy champions is something you have to learn.

I did the same for a long time but then i decided to always stay unless i knew 100% i would die. I actively tried out how much i could actually take which lead to me dying a lot and getting flamed at but i now know when i can actually get in that extra hit or two or when i really, really have to run (unless i play with/against champions i don't have much experience with, then i stay to fight and die).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 15 2012 15:13 GMT
#1575
On June 15 2012 14:20 Dark_Chill wrote:
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On June 15 2012 13:59 Vaporized wrote:
you underestimate dota2 on all counts. dota is massive in asia and europe, and it seems like many people who played dota back in the day prefer dota 2 to LoL. whereas people who werent into dota were able to get into LoL due to the way the leveling system works and a generally less mechanically demanding game and playerbase. valve are genuises at marketing their products and im certain they will give dota2 the launch it deserves.

and from all indications the dota2 team at valve is relatively small and seem to be doing their own thing. besides gaben is a self-described dota 2 addict- the game, like everything valve does, will be a huge success.

all that said, im not sure dota2 will reach the high that LoL is currently enjoying, LoL reminds me a lot of WoW in that it's success is unlikely to ever be replicated.


I think he acknowledged Dota 2 as a good game with great gameplay, but he basically said what you said. LoL not only has almost all of the casual and a portion of the hardcore, but everything about it helps people get attached to it (elo, champion roster, teams, true dedication not needed until higher levels, etc). Dota 2 will still bode well with a large amount of the people who played Dota and HoN, along with new people who weren't attracted to LoL. It won't be a small audience, but it won't be near the size of LoL, especially with it dominating moba e-sports.

The only reason competitive LoL is so successful in the West is because Western LoL players still live in a deluded fantasy world where they think their favorite players and teams can compete with Asian teams. Western E-sports has a notoriously bad track record for sticking with games after Asian dominance has taken root--just look at competitive BW or DotA. Once reality hits these Western players and fans, LoL could very easily go the same way.

If TPA, WE, or one of the MiG teams wins at IPL5 or the World Championships (and I have huge confidence that they can), it could be dire tidings for LoL E-sports in the long run.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 15 2012 15:14 GMT
#1576
On June 16 2012 00:02 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 23:44 Alaric wrote:
It's kinda the same with Olaf: people let you E them then run back without trying to retaliate when they don't outright flee, and you play against one you just rush him as soon as he makes it clear he'll E you, and he's all "Aha, I took a chunk of his HP, I've got the advantage now, gotta eat all his spells while I only have my aa!".
Particularly hilarious as Irelia. "Hoy buddy, thanks for the free stun, now how about you eat some true damage too?"

And mid it's true with Veigar and LB too.


Since i'm a relatively new player (actively playing since maybe 4-5 month) i still remember that phase and i noticed that it comes with experience. Newer players have a "i take damage, i have to run!" reflex, they forget about cooldowns once they lose health. Not panicing, staying to fight and knowing the cooldowns of enemy champions is something you have to learn.

I did the same for a long time but then i decided to always stay unless i knew 100% i would die. I actively tried out how much i could actually take which lead to me dying a lot and getting flamed at but i now know when i can actually get in that extra hit or two or when i really, really have to run (unless i play with/against champions i don't have much experience with, then i stay to fight and die).


Even as someone who has played for 2 years, I make trading mistakes often. It's especially prevalent when I'm in a lane I'm not used to (ie, top) because I don't know the match ups that well. Since I primarily won't encounter bruisers until team fights, I don't know exactly what their power levels are at certain times. It is exactly as you said: and experience issue.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
June 15 2012 15:15 GMT
#1577
I think everyone should learn that, I use that mentality when i start out with game (especially fighting game) learning when frames hit and hitboxe size is crucial. After that all fighting games come down to mindgames and tech skill.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-15 15:31:00
June 15 2012 15:24 GMT
#1578
On June 15 2012 23:50 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 22:56 Shikyo wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.

flat armor seal, AD red, flat armor quint, mres blue

Why armor quints? Movespeed/AD quints seem more flexible.

Cheap and it's the safest and most forgiving for solo top and jungle

Currently one of my biggest problems with trading is that I don't expect people to have the summoners they have. "Jungle Amumu, I'm going to kil... oh he had exhaust WTF" "Okay she's been mid fighting for 20 seconds already and one of her teammates has died, that means she can't hav... WTF IGNITED" "Okay he's running away at 20 hp from 3 of my teammates so surely he must have flashed -> Dive and get flash dodged and kited and die"

and so on

How to fix?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 15 2012 15:30 GMT
#1579
I dunno, I know I get caught sometimes like that with "wtf he had exhaust damn gotta run". I usually can keep track of the summoners in my own lane when we fight to the death because I use mine at roughly the same time in general, but I really need to learn the CDs on summoners by heart and to write down when they're used to get better at it. Flash isn't that much of a problem, but "wtfignite nooooooo" or "HEALBAIT" moreso.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 15 2012 15:30 GMT
#1580
On June 16 2012 00:24 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 23:50 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:56 Shikyo wrote:
On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.

flat armor seal, AD red, flat armor quint, mres blue

Why armor quints? Movespeed/AD quints seem more flexible.

Cheap and it's the safest and most forgiving for solo top and jungle

Currently one of my biggest problems with trading is that I don't expect people to have the summoners they have. "Jungle Amumu, I'm going to kil... oh he had exhaust WTF" "Okay she's been mid fighting for 20 seconds already and one of her teammates has died, that means she can't hav... WTF IGNITED" "Okay he's running away at 20 hp from 3 of my teammates so surely he must have flashed ive and get flash dodged and kited and die*"

and so on

How to fix?


Pay more attention? Always assume that they have everything unless you personally see it used?

Idk, I get caught sometimes too. The worst is when your teammates lose a fight when they had greater numbers, and when you go for clean up you find out the enemies didn't even need to use ults in that fight.
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