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On June 15 2012 13:08 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 12:37 valheru wrote:On June 15 2012 12:33 BlackPaladin wrote:
Don't worry, next season riot will throw something more ridiculous, like, 5 million dollars at the players for esports. l0l
Actually, probably 5 million Euros. Since the dollar is gonna be worth shit in a year. *ahem* I heard a while back that dota 2 had a 1 million prize pool for 1st place in some tournament did that ever actually go through? Even if it did that doesn't matter considering riot blew that out of the water with their current $2 mil prize pool. Anyone tries to match that they just up the ante next season.
I hope they don't up it. 1mil is already more than enough and with all that extra money they could do something useful like supporting smaller tournaments and community things.
In other news I am getting a good hang of mid. Play passive as fuck, ward like a support and don't get counterpicked. My favourite MU are Fizz vs Morgana (As fizz) and Galio vs Fizz (as Galio). Most mids are pretty boring mid to play early game (Anivia, Morg, Kog.) My TF skills are pretty much all from before global nerf but its not much of difference. Still he has a bunch of bad mu from the less common picks i can pick gold card on first rotation on red but not on yellow (doable with the 30> ms delay).
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On June 15 2012 17:44 Eppa! wrote:
In other news I am getting a good hang of mid. Play passive as fuck, ward like a support and don't get counterpicked.
Do you like playing that way? I've reached a point where I'm playing very few selected APs like Ahri because I didn't feel like playing passively, and I'm still looking for ways to enjoy champs like Morgana. Roaming helps a lot, but I feel it's easily punishable by counterganking or heavy towerpushing if their mid and jungler have any sort of coordination.
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All i see is bad opportunites to go agro in either lane or other lanes. If i am playing with friends I try to coordinate ganks just as wards time out. LoL is always kind of passive you can't really change mid play. I am also not a fan of the more agressive mid champs other than Fizz and I don't have Ahri (getting her asap.)
I think the champs I will focus on for now are Fizz, Morg, Anivia, Ahri, Galio and Malph(I have a ton of XP with him since he was my first "main" when I started in beta.) I need to get a lot better at gank timings and ward timings for now.
Also I don't see what the big thing is with support being boring. Janna is only boring in dead even or extremely onesided lanes. Soraka is really boring. Still there are a ton of supports that are a blast: Blitz, Leona, Fiddle and Lulu.
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I have this problem, I cannot deal with Alistar support properly. Always ends up in them getting brush control with me unable to do anything about it(Always has pink ward and we cannot contest vs ali)
Then I generally get zoned to at least some extent and I don't really see any sort of change to that with the support. Even Soraka seems to be unable to really keep Alistar properly in check and both Blitz and Leona seem like suicide vs him, with Janna and Soraka etc. you will live but you still get zoned more than the other person and fall behind in farm. He's also invaluable as a gank support and deals pretty well with jungle ganks as well.
Alistar just seems like the best support by far (Solo queue) and I don't really know what I'm supposed to do against him.
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despite my initial negative thoughts about the game, lol is really fun to play.
the champion spells makes the game more dynamic and casters scale well in late game is also very interesting too.
I am almost stopping dota 2 completely already and I was a big hardcore dota fan.
Sure I like the overall graphic style better and able to deny like a boss, lol just has its unique fun that makes it better for me, could be that the game is more refreshing but right now I am loving it :D
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On June 15 2012 07:01 Slaughter wrote:
I really like removing elo loss for dodging. Because for players like me who only have time to play 1 maybe 2 games every couple or days or so it SUCKS when you get that BS shit happening in champ select and that is the game you have to deal with unless you want to lower your elo (and this sucks when your TRYING your hardest to raise it).
haha good luck spending your time in queue when you only have time to play 1game because people will be queue dodging if they don't like your name.
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It undermines the draft choice. They pick Yorick vs your Darius -> Dodge. They get Vlad vs Nasus -> Dodge. If you leave the game when it has started you deserve to lose rating. Also its is going to mean less than common champs will get dodged a lot. Fiddle support, Malph mid, Xin jungle will never be seen if they make it something like only a 10min qtimer.
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Just steal from Valve. The current system for dodging/being reported in DotA 2 is...
You get thrown into a queue with people who dodge themselves and get reported as much as you do. This queue has a low priority (takes ages to find games) and seems to be a really good motivation to behave yourself. =D
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On June 15 2012 19:08 r.Evo wrote:
Just steal from Valve. The current system for dodging/being reported in DotA 2 is...
You get thrown into a queue with people who dodge themselves and get reported as much as you do. This queue has a low priority (takes ages to find games) and seems to be a really good motivation to behave yourself. =D
Which sounds good, unless you dc or the client crashes and you're stuck with a bunch of asses.
Would have to make it a minimum of 5 or 10 dodges or so.
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On June 15 2012 19:10 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 19:08 r.Evo wrote:
Just steal from Valve. The current system for dodging/being reported in DotA 2 is...
You get thrown into a queue with people who dodge themselves and get reported as much as you do. This queue has a low priority (takes ages to find games) and seems to be a really good motivation to behave yourself. =D Which sounds good, unless you dc or the client crashes and you're stuck with a bunch of asses. Would have to make it a minimum of 5 or 10 dodges or so.
Generally I'd say 10% is a good rule of thumb. 10% is an incredibly high number though but it might be a decent starting point.
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On June 15 2012 18:41 Eppa! wrote:
It undermines the draft choice. They pick Yorick vs your Darius -> Dodge. They get Vlad vs Nasus -> Dodge. If you leave the game when it has started you deserve to lose rating. Also its is going to mean less than common champs will get dodged a lot. Fiddle support, Malph mid, Xin jungle will never be seen if they make it something like only a 10min qtimer.
I'm dreading this. Yesterday I got called a troll in every single game I played Heimer. Regardless of anything that happened during the course of the game, I was instantly blamed. Will be interesting.
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Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg.
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On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg.
How does it make for easy wins? Literally anybody can use her. Her spells are made so that she can't die.
I usually ban her not because she's really good, but because she's the most boring champ to lane against. You can't really hurt her no matter how bad the player is and her skillshot is too easy to dodge to give any excitement in lane.
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On June 15 2012 22:17 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg. How does it make for easy wins? Literally anybody can use her. Her spells are made so that she can't die. I usually ban her not because she's really good, but because she's the most boring champ to lane against. You can't really hurt her no matter how bad the player is and her skillshot is too easy to dodge to give any excitement in lane.
So what you're saying it doesn't matter if you're LoCicero or.. you, you will achieve the same results in 2k+ elo games with Morgana because anybody can use her? (;
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On June 15 2012 22:21 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 22:17 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg. How does it make for easy wins? Literally anybody can use her. Her spells are made so that she can't die. I usually ban her not because she's really good, but because she's the most boring champ to lane against. You can't really hurt her no matter how bad the player is and her skillshot is too easy to dodge to give any excitement in lane. So what you're saying it doesn't matter if you're LoCicero or.. you, you will achieve the same results in 2k+ elo games with Morgana because anybody can use her? (;
I used to like fizz vs morg because of skillshot on long cd, but now I'm not as convinced. it's really hard to kill her through black shield w/o a significant item lead, and counter pushing with E can be very taxing without blue buff not to mention susceptible to q since you have to wait for the first part to land if you want to hit the entire wave. I now prefer Ahri by far, easy to bait out shield by positioning for charm, and can push for a much smaller % of your mana pool.
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just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.
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On June 15 2012 22:21 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 22:17 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg. How does it make for easy wins? Literally anybody can use her. Her spells are made so that she can't die. I usually ban her not because she's really good, but because she's the most boring champ to lane against. You can't really hurt her no matter how bad the player is and her skillshot is too easy to dodge to give any excitement in lane. So what you're saying it doesn't matter if you're LoCicero or.. you, you will achieve the same results in 2k+ elo games with Morgana because anybody can use her? (;
He's saying Morg is the easiest AP mid on the market, which I agree with.
Back when I was down in baddie elo I used to ban her to force the other mid to play a champ that needs a brain, or firstpick to get an ez win in midlane. (mind you that was before the nerfs)
The argument that better players play better is kinda redundant, the point is that players with a similar skill level will most of the times win with Morg, exept maybe a select few matchups, but if both are on 800 elo, Morg still murders Fizz, just because it's harder to play Fizz correctly.
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On June 15 2012 22:42 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 22:21 r.Evo wrote:On June 15 2012 22:17 Dark_Chill wrote:On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg. How does it make for easy wins? Literally anybody can use her. Her spells are made so that she can't die. I usually ban her not because she's really good, but because she's the most boring champ to lane against. You can't really hurt her no matter how bad the player is and her skillshot is too easy to dodge to give any excitement in lane. So what you're saying it doesn't matter if you're LoCicero or.. you, you will achieve the same results in 2k+ elo games with Morgana because anybody can use her? (; He's saying Morg is the easiest AP mid on the market, which I agree with. Back when I was down in baddie elo I used to ban her to force the other mid to play a champ that needs a brain, or firstpick to get an ez win in midlane. (mind you that was before the nerfs) The argument that better players play better is kinda redundant, the point is that players with a similar skill level will most of the times win with Morg, exept maybe a select few matchups, but if both are on 800 elo, Morg still murders Fizz, just because it's harder to play Fizz correctly.
The Morgana "nerfs" barely did anything. Her sustain is still MORE than enough to keep her in lane. It's the Black Shield/Binding combo that makes her scary in lane as well as nearly impossible to gank.
It's also impossible to dodge Blackthorn Binding - it moves so much faster. I'm not crazy, I swear.
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On June 15 2012 22:42 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
just got level 20! Which runes should I buy? I want to play jungle and top laner mostly.
Armor yellows are the most important, especially if you wish to jungle. I'd say flat or scaling MR blues but that secundary. Armor or MS quints, and ArPen or AS marks (junglers tend to favor AS, but ArPen is 0K for most, say Maokai where ArPen > AS if you don't have AP quints).
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On June 15 2012 22:09 Eppa! wrote:
Exactly at my rating you always ban morgana (for whatever reason I am bad) so i never ban her and if they pick her I just pick fizz and since they nobody plays morg reguraly it makes for easy wins, I am 100% sure if i lost with this strat i would be blamed and if they could dodge people would dodge if they got morg.
I can't stand being bitched at anymore for banning Morgana/Kassadin/etc. The other team getting Morgana isn't what loses games, people panicking because she was picked is what loses games. I've noticed that most of the people who pick the "OP" champs thinking it's a free win usually suck anyway.
I even tried Kassadin during the free week recently and holy crap that guy is hard to play. I don't know how he ever got to god-mode free win status.
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