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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote: Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. They won't have much to say about it anymore when WE/TPA joins their tourneys. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On June 12 2012 20:16 -Zoda- wrote: There's something that is the strenght of Saintvicious imo, it's his ability to farm. That's why he popularized a jungler like Mundo, who needs a ton of farm but becomes a beast then, it was painful to see that for exemple, IWillDominate was behind in farm against HSGG's Nautilus in some games. These players spend too much time trying to gank. Nothing important to add, I just wanted to say it was DiamondproX who popularized Mundo. The kings of Europe tournament was the first competetive tournament where Mundo was played IIRC, and back then they were playing him with 6% spellvamp and shit. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
I'm sort've surprised Maokai had such a poor showing at the tournament, and that jungle Ali wasn't seen in many of the matches. There wasn't any particular breakout jungle champ at this tourney, compared with Maokai at Providence and Shyvana at Kiev. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote: Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. Since Yango isn't here I'll fill in. WE won IEM Guangzhou and are very strong in local Chinese tournaments, especially after iG (their closest competitor) had roster changes and some of their best players like MikakoTabe and Whitezz left. TPA on the other hand are considered the best in the Garena League and a class above everyone. They did lose in WCG although now they have a better roster and are taking LoL more seriously. One of the commentators say on stream that any group with TPA is the real "Group of Death" because everyone in that Group is basically fighting for second place. TPA also demolished Najin e-mfire recently and it wasn't even close. Considering how strong Najin were in OGN, even though officially teams like WE and TPA haven't played recently against NA/EU we can kinda get an idea how strong they are. And it's pretty scary tbh. Oh, and fun fact. Lilballz and Jiji from raided WoW with Classick on the Riot Design Team and that's how they started playing LoL. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On June 12 2012 20:23 Haasts wrote: [...]and that jungle Ali wasn't seen in many of the matches. To be fair, he was banned more often than not. I have to agree though, this tournament hasn't brought up anything that hasn't been seen at all or in a while. I mean, Hannover had Voyman Blindmonk, then there was Shyvana and Maokai. Nothing too fancy this time, if you're not counting Kayle. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
1. Bad buff control. He's often on the other side of the map when a certain buff spawns for his team. Just by doing that he invites counterjungling, and against stronger junglers/teams, he loses a LOT of buffs. 2. Not very good at invading/couterinvading/recovery(in regards to his own jungling, he does still gank fairly effectively), as well as misjudging his own team's strength in the early game when attempting steals. 3. I'll be very honest, Hotshot's tournament level junglers consists of Nautilus and Shen, and realistically Shen's only there because it fills in stuff that Hotshot needs to develop(intuition and instinct) for counterjungling. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
edit: Dafuq is this, Goth orianna announced by Mundo as sale but instead Xin Zhao skin is on sal ebut goth orianna is a featured item in my shop. Guess I dont have to feel that bad then since i bought the 520 skin 2 days ago T_T | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On June 12 2012 20:31 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Since Yango isn't here I'll fill in. WE won IEM Guangzhou and are very strong in local Chinese tournaments, especially after iG (their closest competitor) had roster changes and some of their best players like MikakoTabe and Whitezz left. TPA on the other hand are considered the best in the Garena League and a class above everyone. They did lose in WCG although now they have a better roster and are taking LoL more seriously. One of the commentators say on stream that any group with TPA is the real "Group of Death" because everyone in that Group is basically fighting for second place. TPA also demolished Najin e-mfire recently and it wasn't even close. Considering how strong Najin were in OGN, even though officially teams like WE and TPA haven't played recently against NA/EU we can kinda get an idea how strong they are. And it's pretty scary tbh. Oh, and fun fact. Lilballz and Jiji from raided WoW with Classick on the Riot Design Team and that's how they started playing LoL. To add to this, WE is easily the best team in China by far. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw them lose a Bo3 with any Chinese team, and the Chinese teams like CLC are strong - like CLG.na strong. They also demolish all the Korean teams in Bo3+ scrims and online tournaments and their only real competitor is TPA, against whom they still have a very convincing record. TPA did get revenge on WE in the last Go4LoL Asia finals with a very impressive but extremely close 2-0 albeit with a ~100ms ping advantage. CLG.na, Fnatic and the Korean teams all have experience in playing against WE and I believe CLG.na's record against them was a ~10% winrate despite ping advantage (they scrim on the NA servers as well and its basically 50ms ping vs 200ms). However, I have hyped teams up before, such as CLG.eu, who have fallen short in big LANs, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it's my 100% belief than WE and TPA are stronger than CLG.eu, TSM and both MiGs under ideal conditions. | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On June 12 2012 20:23 Haasts wrote: I'm sort've surprised Maokai had such a poor showing at the tournament, and that jungle Ali wasn't seen in many of the matches. There wasn't any particular breakout jungle champ at this tourney, compared with Maokai at Providence and Shyvana at Kiev. Naut seems to have taken over Maokai's spot as the ganking jungler. Maokai was only ever picked by TheOddOne when Naut was either banned or picked. Naut seems to just have more utility and CC and probably more damage? | ||
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mcimba42
192 Posts
asians have nerves of fucking reinforced diamond they could be playing underwater in one of those shark diving cages and they wouldn't even break a sweat | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
TOO is hands down the best jungler in the game right now. Saintvicious is fucking terrible. He never practices, and when he did he randomed a jungler for like 6 months. Maokai is completely out classed by amumu now. Mundo is a better shyvana (and udyr). Skarner and rammus were nerfed to death. Lee sin is far too gank heavy to see good play in 5's unless you want to camp top all day which would be obvious. Naut is amazing at fucking everything, noct and shen fit into 5's play incredibly well turning any fight into a disadvantage. There are other junglers who can do well but people don't seem interested in playing. Good solo queue junglers are gank centric, while good 5's junglers are farmers than can counter gank. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Maokai is completely out classed by amumu now. Maokai is a defensive support with strong early ganks. Amumu is an aggressive tanky AP with weak early ganks. Outclassed? Sorry, but they are vastly different. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On June 12 2012 21:49 dooraven wrote: I don't even understand why you guys think CLGeu did poorly this LAN, sure they did lose to CLGna and TSM but the quality of those games speak enormously, thier 5th/6th place finish is misleading. It's not like they were like aAa and utterly got demolished. Both series were very close and could have gone either way. Once Yellowpete and Krepo get more Lan experience they'll do so much better. I didn't watch the CLG EU vs CLG NA games but considering how TSM vs CLGNA and TSM vs CLGEU went, I don't understand how CLGEU lost. Summary anyone? | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/54032-MLG_Day_3_Coverage_CLGNA_vs_CLGEU | ||
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