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just deinstall it and install it from the microsoft software program.
But I think this should be legit.
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the only reason shyvana is good is becaus eshe does damage and doesnt die, the only reason people play mundo.
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On June 13 2012 00:31 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 21:18 1ntrigue wrote:On June 12 2012 20:31 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote:On June 12 2012 10:52 1ntrigue wrote:
I remember CLG.eu being at some small LAN in the past but forgot which. Can someone remind me?
MLG is the first LAN of any repute that CLG.eu has attended though, and I've never seen Froggen, Krepo or yellowpete at a LAN (but I think yellowpete played in a LAN 1-2 years ago).
I thought Wickd played fine. He didn't play to his utmost potential, but he didn't play poorly and made very few mistakes (given limited information). Snoopeh usually helps snowball Wickd a bit, but he was really, really off (and quite unlucky) at MLG imo.
Edit: Surprises of the tournament for me were how weak EVO were compared to what I thought their strength was, and how strong CLG.na actually is. HotshotGG in the jungle role has a lot of potential, and he may actually become the best jungler in the world once he knows how to, well, jungle. TSM has improved massively (but I would still rank them #4 in the world, WE > TPA > CLG.eu > TSM imho, but it's all so close), but they get props because of their synergy and consistency. Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. Since Yango isn't here I'll fill in. WE won IEM Guangzhou and are very strong in local Chinese tournaments, especially after iG (their closest competitor) had roster changes and some of their best players like MikakoTabe and Whitezz left. TPA on the other hand are considered the best in the Garena League and a class above everyone. They did lose in WCG although now they have a better roster and are taking LoL more seriously. One of the commentators say on stream that any group with TPA is the real "Group of Death" because everyone in that Group is basically fighting for second place. TPA also demolished Najin e-mfire recently and it wasn't even close. Considering how strong Najin were in OGN, even though officially teams like WE and TPA haven't played recently against NA/EU we can kinda get an idea how strong they are. And it's pretty scary tbh. Oh, and fun fact. Lilballz and Jiji from raided WoW with Classick on the Riot Design Team and that's how they started playing LoL. To add to this, WE is easily the best team in China by far. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw them lose a Bo3 with any Chinese team, and the Chinese teams like CLC are strong - like CLG.na strong. They also demolish all the Korean teams in Bo3+ scrims and online tournaments and their only real competitor is TPA, against whom they still have a very convincing record. TPA did get revenge on WE in the last Go4LoL Asia finals with a very impressive but extremely close 2-0 albeit with a ~100ms ping advantage. CLG.na, Fnatic and the Korean teams all have experience in playing against WE and I believe CLG.na's record against them was a ~10% winrate despite ping advantage (they scrim on the NA servers as well and its basically 50ms ping vs 200ms). However, I have hyped teams up before, such as CLG.eu, who have fallen short in big LANs, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it's my 100% belief than WE and TPA are stronger than CLG.eu, TSM and both MiGs under ideal conditions. I just would rather be cautious because we have seen Chinese teams get hyped in games before and they never "dominate" the way everyone thinks in actual events. But yea I remember Doublelift talking about how strong they were but I want to see it at a tournament. One of those "thats why they play the games" type of things. I agree with what someone said earlier in that its impossible to decide since NA/EU/Asia haven't had many opportunities to face off with each other and I think it would be a really fucking great tourney if the top from all 3 major regions where thrown into the fire and had to play each other. I hope to see this soon because it would be amazing.
I dunno i'd have to see them in action, most of the time when Doublelift says something i kinda ignore it cause he's a moron.
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Eh, I feel that Shy is just underwhelming. She has almost 0 gank pressure, even with Phage and Red she's easy to escape from as long as she doesn't get that first hit on you. There's no surprise Mundo cleaver or Olaf axe from over a wall or brush to start a gank, if you see her coming it's almost laughably easy to ignore her. Sure, she's unkillable later on, but she really only does enough damage to be scary to an unattended squishy, otherwise she's just doing some incidental AoE and not much else.
I mean, she has her strengths. Fast clearing and, of course with that, strong counter jungling makes her a good pick against slower junglers, but you can get that from other junglers with more utility. She can duel pretty well, but so can most other tanky dps junglers who also have better sticking tools.
If you're running a comp that has a lot of CC in lane against a slow/squishy/bad duelist jungler, and you want a high survival champ for the late game, Shy is a great choice. I feel that she just lacks something to put her ahead of other junglers outside of that fringe case.
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On June 13 2012 01:27 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 00:31 Slaughter wrote:On June 12 2012 21:18 1ntrigue wrote:On June 12 2012 20:31 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote:On June 12 2012 10:52 1ntrigue wrote:
I remember CLG.eu being at some small LAN in the past but forgot which. Can someone remind me?
MLG is the first LAN of any repute that CLG.eu has attended though, and I've never seen Froggen, Krepo or yellowpete at a LAN (but I think yellowpete played in a LAN 1-2 years ago).
I thought Wickd played fine. He didn't play to his utmost potential, but he didn't play poorly and made very few mistakes (given limited information). Snoopeh usually helps snowball Wickd a bit, but he was really, really off (and quite unlucky) at MLG imo.
Edit: Surprises of the tournament for me were how weak EVO were compared to what I thought their strength was, and how strong CLG.na actually is. HotshotGG in the jungle role has a lot of potential, and he may actually become the best jungler in the world once he knows how to, well, jungle. TSM has improved massively (but I would still rank them #4 in the world, WE > TPA > CLG.eu > TSM imho, but it's all so close), but they get props because of their synergy and consistency. Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. Since Yango isn't here I'll fill in. WE won IEM Guangzhou and are very strong in local Chinese tournaments, especially after iG (their closest competitor) had roster changes and some of their best players like MikakoTabe and Whitezz left. TPA on the other hand are considered the best in the Garena League and a class above everyone. They did lose in WCG although now they have a better roster and are taking LoL more seriously. One of the commentators say on stream that any group with TPA is the real "Group of Death" because everyone in that Group is basically fighting for second place. TPA also demolished Najin e-mfire recently and it wasn't even close. Considering how strong Najin were in OGN, even though officially teams like WE and TPA haven't played recently against NA/EU we can kinda get an idea how strong they are. And it's pretty scary tbh. Oh, and fun fact. Lilballz and Jiji from raided WoW with Classick on the Riot Design Team and that's how they started playing LoL. To add to this, WE is easily the best team in China by far. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw them lose a Bo3 with any Chinese team, and the Chinese teams like CLC are strong - like CLG.na strong. They also demolish all the Korean teams in Bo3+ scrims and online tournaments and their only real competitor is TPA, against whom they still have a very convincing record. TPA did get revenge on WE in the last Go4LoL Asia finals with a very impressive but extremely close 2-0 albeit with a ~100ms ping advantage. CLG.na, Fnatic and the Korean teams all have experience in playing against WE and I believe CLG.na's record against them was a ~10% winrate despite ping advantage (they scrim on the NA servers as well and its basically 50ms ping vs 200ms). However, I have hyped teams up before, such as CLG.eu, who have fallen short in big LANs, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it's my 100% belief than WE and TPA are stronger than CLG.eu, TSM and both MiGs under ideal conditions. I just would rather be cautious because we have seen Chinese teams get hyped in games before and they never "dominate" the way everyone thinks in actual events. But yea I remember Doublelift talking about how strong they were but I want to see it at a tournament. One of those "thats why they play the games" type of things. I agree with what someone said earlier in that its impossible to decide since NA/EU/Asia haven't had many opportunities to face off with each other and I think it would be a really fucking great tourney if the top from all 3 major regions where thrown into the fire and had to play each other. I hope to see this soon because it would be amazing. I dunno i'd have to see them in action, most of the time when Doublelift says something i kinda ignore it cause he's a moron.
Doublelift may have a lot of theorycrafting bullshit, but I'd take him on his word if he's actually legitimately scared of a botlane. Remember this is the guy who can out farm the enemy AD carry in almost any matchup.
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On June 13 2012 01:43 Requizen wrote:
Eh, I feel that Shy is just underwhelming. She has almost 0 gank pressure, even with Phage and Red she's easy to escape from as long as she doesn't get that first hit on you. There's no surprise Mundo cleaver or Olaf axe from over a wall or brush to start a gank, if you see her coming it's almost laughably easy to ignore her. Sure, she's unkillable later on, but she really only does enough damage to be scary to an unattended squishy, otherwise she's just doing some incidental AoE and not much else.
I mean, she has her strengths. Fast clearing and, of course with that, strong counter jungling makes her a good pick against slower junglers, but you can get that from other junglers with more utility. She can duel pretty well, but so can most other tanky dps junglers who also have better sticking tools.
If you're running a comp that has a lot of CC in lane against a slow/squishy/bad duelist jungler, and you want a high survival champ for the late game, Shy is a great choice. I feel that she just lacks something to put her ahead of other junglers outside of that fringe case.
I totally did a o.O at one point when Rivington or Phreak said that Shyvana had strong ganks. She's barely better than Warwick pre-6, which says a lot for how bad her ganks are.
Shyvana's problem is that her key strengths are clear speed and mobility. Unfortunately for Shyvana mobility has drastically dropped in value due to a huge upswing in midlane warding. It's no longer safe to steal enemy camps, even if the enemy jungler is elsewhere. There are too many other junglers who also clear fast but bring huge utility (e.g. Nautilus, Nocturne, Mundo) for Shyvana to remain popular at the competitive level.
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On June 13 2012 01:54 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 01:43 Requizen wrote:
Eh, I feel that Shy is just underwhelming. She has almost 0 gank pressure, even with Phage and Red she's easy to escape from as long as she doesn't get that first hit on you. There's no surprise Mundo cleaver or Olaf axe from over a wall or brush to start a gank, if you see her coming it's almost laughably easy to ignore her. Sure, she's unkillable later on, but she really only does enough damage to be scary to an unattended squishy, otherwise she's just doing some incidental AoE and not much else.
I mean, she has her strengths. Fast clearing and, of course with that, strong counter jungling makes her a good pick against slower junglers, but you can get that from other junglers with more utility. She can duel pretty well, but so can most other tanky dps junglers who also have better sticking tools.
If you're running a comp that has a lot of CC in lane against a slow/squishy/bad duelist jungler, and you want a high survival champ for the late game, Shy is a great choice. I feel that she just lacks something to put her ahead of other junglers outside of that fringe case. I totally did a o.O at one point when Rivington or Phreak said that Shyvana had strong ganks. She's barely better than Warwick pre-6, which says a lot for how bad her ganks are. Shyvana's problem is that her key strengths are clear speed and mobility. Unfortunately for Shyvana mobility has drastically dropped in value due to a huge upswing in midlane warding. It's no longer safe to steal enemy camps, even if the enemy jungler is elsewhere. There are too many other junglers who also clear fast but bring huge utility (e.g. Nautilus, Nocturne, Mundo) for Shyvana to remain popular at the competitive level.
Warwick doesn't take half your hp with a single Q at lvl2 though, nor does he vroom vroom into lane.
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i really like shyvana
take flash instead of exhaust, /ignore all, get an early oracle, go crazy all over the map
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On June 13 2012 01:59 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 01:54 Seuss wrote:On June 13 2012 01:43 Requizen wrote:
Eh, I feel that Shy is just underwhelming. She has almost 0 gank pressure, even with Phage and Red she's easy to escape from as long as she doesn't get that first hit on you. There's no surprise Mundo cleaver or Olaf axe from over a wall or brush to start a gank, if you see her coming it's almost laughably easy to ignore her. Sure, she's unkillable later on, but she really only does enough damage to be scary to an unattended squishy, otherwise she's just doing some incidental AoE and not much else.
I mean, she has her strengths. Fast clearing and, of course with that, strong counter jungling makes her a good pick against slower junglers, but you can get that from other junglers with more utility. She can duel pretty well, but so can most other tanky dps junglers who also have better sticking tools.
If you're running a comp that has a lot of CC in lane against a slow/squishy/bad duelist jungler, and you want a high survival champ for the late game, Shy is a great choice. I feel that she just lacks something to put her ahead of other junglers outside of that fringe case. I totally did a o.O at one point when Rivington or Phreak said that Shyvana had strong ganks. She's barely better than Warwick pre-6, which says a lot for how bad her ganks are. Shyvana's problem is that her key strengths are clear speed and mobility. Unfortunately for Shyvana mobility has drastically dropped in value due to a huge upswing in midlane warding. It's no longer safe to steal enemy camps, even if the enemy jungler is elsewhere. There are too many other junglers who also clear fast but bring huge utility (e.g. Nautilus, Nocturne, Mundo) for Shyvana to remain popular at the competitive level. Warwick doesn't take half your hp with a single Q at lvl2 though, nor does he vroom vroom into lane.
Which is why she's stronger than him pre-6, like Seuss wrote. She also doesn't have nearly his chasing potential later on. While Burnout is faster than Blood Scent, WW's is always on, has a massive range as well, and gives you vision so they can't really escape. You don't even need to actually chase them for the eyes above their head to make them scared and hug turret.
They both have their strengths, Shy being a faster clearer and WW being a safer clearer and scarier ganker post-6, but I'd rather have WW late game in most situations, because you become nigh-unkillable past a certain point while still outputting (what I feel is) more single target damage than Shy with a reliable peel/counter-initiate/killing ult.
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is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :<
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On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :<
Wait you can get a refund for buying a champ? Whoa, how do you do this?
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On June 13 2012 02:16 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :< Wait you can get a refund for buying a champ? Whoa, how do you do this?
They'll generally do one per account, if you buy a champ and decide within a day or two that you don't like it.
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On June 13 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:16 Slaughter wrote:On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :< Wait you can get a refund for buying a champ? Whoa, how do you do this? They'll generally do one per account, if you buy a champ and decide within a day or two that you don't like it.
Ooh cool, do you like put in a ticket for it or will there be like a button somewhere to terminate this "trial"?
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On June 13 2012 02:18 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:On June 13 2012 02:16 Slaughter wrote:On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :< Wait you can get a refund for buying a champ? Whoa, how do you do this? They'll generally do one per account, if you buy a champ and decide within a day or two that you don't like it. Ooh cool, do you like put in a ticket for it or will there be like a button somewhere to terminate this "trial"?
Put a ticket in then deal with Riot support for 3 days before you get a refund
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On June 13 2012 02:18 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 02:17 Requizen wrote:On June 13 2012 02:16 Slaughter wrote:On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :< Wait you can get a refund for buying a champ? Whoa, how do you do this? They'll generally do one per account, if you buy a champ and decide within a day or two that you don't like it. Ooh cool, do you like put in a ticket for it or will there be like a button somewhere to terminate this "trial"?
I haven't done it, but I think you just put in a ticket. If you go to the Support page, hit "Submit a Request", and then when it asks what area it is, click item refund (or whatever the term they use is). Again, it's a case by case basis, and they probably won't refund something you've had for a long time, but if you buy a champ or rune page or something and then within a day decide you don't want it, you can put in a ticket to be reviewed.
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On June 13 2012 02:11 kongoline wrote:
is more than one champion refund possible or do they keep logs of this things? i once refunded champion and again am kinda disappointed on my new 6.3k purchase :<
I've heard it's a one-time deal but I don't have a source for that either.
Edit: So slow lol >.<
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Best runes on shyv are all AD. She's only hard to gank with if you don't know how to gank. She's not that tanky later since her only tank skill is her ult passive but you need to be continuously autoattacking to maximize damage. She's very strong 1v1 and a very fast jungler thus you can force a lot of 2v2, 3v3 situations early to your advantage. No idea what you guys are talking about with stuff like "upswing in midlane warding." She's a much better jungler than warwick you guys are delusional.
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Playing with Draven for a while, I'm pretty sure he's completely horrible unless I'm missing something. Deals 0 dmg, 0 escape, 0 steroid, 0 cc, 0 usefulness in teamfights, deals less dmg than cait unless you melee catching Q, 0 range
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On June 13 2012 02:57 Shikyo wrote:
Deals 0 dmg
yea you're missing something
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On June 13 2012 02:57 Shikyo wrote:0 steroid, 0 cc
Ya, just a thing or two tho probably, nothing special.
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