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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 12 2012 10:52 1ntrigue wrote: I remember CLG.eu being at some small LAN in the past but forgot which. Can someone remind me? MLG is the first LAN of any repute that CLG.eu has attended though, and I've never seen Froggen, Krepo or yellowpete at a LAN (but I think yellowpete played in a LAN 1-2 years ago). I thought Wickd played fine. He didn't play to his utmost potential, but he didn't play poorly and made very few mistakes (given limited information). Snoopeh usually helps snowball Wickd a bit, but he was really, really off (and quite unlucky) at MLG imo. Edit: Surprises of the tournament for me were how weak EVO were compared to what I thought their strength was, and how strong CLG.na actually is. HotshotGG in the jungle role has a lot of potential, and he may actually become the best jungler in the world once he knows how to, well, jungle. TSM has improved massively (but I would still rank them #4 in the world, WE > TPA > CLG.eu > TSM imho, but it's all so close), but they get props because of their synergy and consistency. How exactly has HSGG shown us a lack of knowing how to jungle? Seems like everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of hotshot-doesnt-know-what-he's-doing. Hotshot was an absolute terror on Shen. Back to his original "catch me if you can" splitpush role. I like the ionic, too. Fills the "i need SOME kind of onhit clearing item for jungling, and some kind of splitpushing item" - instead of getting sunfire+wits. It's even better than wits for killing shit in the jungle, and gives a minor boost to shen's passive [though you're going to have to stack defenses anyway, so that part of it is kinda moot, and could be basically any defensive stat.] Although, I really liked when chaox on graves just stuck on hotshot while the rest 4v4'd at baron, and hs couldn't get away to ult into the baron fight and died giving only his shield. Was all offscreen - watch the minimap and you can basically see what happens. I kinda wonder why he doesnt lean more towards Nocturne rather than Nautilus, everything else considered equal. Splitpushing still works very well for CLG apparently. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On June 12 2012 10:52 1ntrigue wrote: I remember CLG.eu being at some small LAN in the past but forgot which. Can someone remind me? MLG is the first LAN of any repute that CLG.eu has attended though, and I've never seen Froggen, Krepo or yellowpete at a LAN (but I think yellowpete played in a LAN 1-2 years ago). I thought Wickd played fine. He didn't play to his utmost potential, but he didn't play poorly and made very few mistakes (given limited information). Snoopeh usually helps snowball Wickd a bit, but he was really, really off (and quite unlucky) at MLG imo. Edit: Surprises of the tournament for me were how weak EVO were compared to what I thought their strength was, and how strong CLG.na actually is. HotshotGG in the jungle role has a lot of potential, and he may actually become the best jungler in the world once he knows how to, well, jungle. TSM has improved massively (but I would still rank them #4 in the world, WE > TPA > CLG.eu > TSM imho, but it's all so close), but they get props because of their synergy and consistency. Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote: Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. I think WE won IEM Guangzhou? | ||
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shadowboxer
United States224 Posts
Sometimes he's wrong and looks like a complete idiot, other times he's right and looks like a genius, but this is one of his main strengths as a player. This is also why people who don't think the meta is the only viable way to play the game love watching him. CLG has some of the strongest non-meta whoring players which is why they always play solid at every tournament and why they'll win it if they're all on top of their game. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On Naut there were several times where he refused to deviate from his normal core build or to stop ganking and go farm which resulted in him being underfarmed and underleveled. His smiting was mediocre. CLG did much better than I expected given the circumstances. It's possible that despite Hotshot being a weaker jungler, they're stronger as a team because they don't have to deal with Hotshot going full derp mode not watching map or listening to team while in lane. That said, Voyboy is known for the same shenanigans. | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On June 12 2012 13:09 RogerX wrote: Why not just make your full builds all GP10? Fuck unique passives, FTP! This used to be one of the most op early game build available. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
hsgg's weakness was his laningphase, his lategame was usually pretty good. by removing him from the most snowbally lane, and putting him in a stable farm/less likely to get owned. he just removed a lot of his main weaknesses. (feeding enemy lanes). as far as his "jungle" skill goes, its pretty average, but his late game / split push strength stay intact | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:51 Requizen wrote: Time to just man up and admit that I can't play squishy champions (i.e. most mids, ADs, and assassins) worth shit. Happens in every game, I like seeing the dudes that hit hard, but in the end I can only really play tough, brute force champs. Oh well, top lane, jungle, and tanky support it is. you could just play tanky ap mid w/ roa/abyssal/zhonya's. Also having full mr page for midlane increases your tanky-ness by quite a bit. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 12 2012 15:07 wei2coolman wrote: you could just play tanky ap mid w/ roa/abyssal/zhonya's. Also having full mr page for midlane increases your tanky-ness by quite a bit. Yeah, the only mid I can really play is Galio. I just have no skill at anything involving finesse, which is most champs that require precise positioning or combos or whatever. I just rely on my map awareness, timing, and mechanics to help me win, which I think is why I do well in jungle and top, especially on champs like Hec, WW or GP. Also can't play Lee at all, haha. Happens in SC2 as well. I keep wanting to play, like, Blink Stalker/Colossus plays and have fancy micro and what not, but end up playing Zerg because the things I'm best at are macro, fending off harass, and then demolishing with my larger force. No finesse, but it gets the job done. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 12 2012 15:13 Requizen wrote: Yeah, the only mid I can really play is Galio. I just have no skill at anything involving finesse, which is most champs that require precise positioning or combos or whatever. I just rely on my map awareness, timing, and mechanics to help me win, which I think is why I do well in jungle and top, especially on champs like Hec, WW or GP. Also can't play Lee at all, haha. Happens in SC2 as well. I keep wanting to play, like, Blink Stalker/Colossus plays and have fancy micro and what not, but end up playing Zerg because the things I'm best at are macro, fending off harass, and then demolishing with my larger force. No finesse, but it gets the job done. You could also play longer ranged champions to give more room for error in terms of positioning, ie karthus/cass/cait/trist/ etc etc. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 12 2012 15:20 wei2coolman wrote: You could also play longer ranged champions to give more room for error in terms of positioning, ie karthus/cass/cait/trist/ etc etc. I occasionally do well as Cait, but then again, it's Cait and she doesn't do much of anything later on, plus I always end up wasting traps. Haven't played Trist in a while. Plus, the guy I mostly duo with is a great mid player, so I generally don't need to fill that role unless he goes top on Morde or whatever. Eh, I don't bemoan my fate, just need to accept it lol. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Get a RoA and just build health items like SV, or Rylais. Also, run hp/lvl yellows, don't need no mana regen. In other news, free week champ rotation is out. Been wanting to try Xerath. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 12 2012 14:07 Slaughter wrote: Have WE and TPA done anything of note to be placed at the top of the world? TSM, Both CLGs, M5, and a couple of Korean squads have something to say about that. WE and TPA get cited for being that good because of how strong they look in the Asian scene and how strong they look in their games in general. Not to mention the handful of scrims they've played with western teams. WE got fourth place at the first OGN event, the one where MiG Frost won and CLGna got second. But WE lost to CLG, MiG, and EDG at that tournament which was after Guangzhou. It's completely impossible for anyone to say what team is #1 in the world because of how little the NA/EU teams have played the KR/CN teams. | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On June 12 2012 13:44 sylverfyre wrote: How exactly has HSGG shown us a lack of knowing how to jungle? Seems like everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of hotshot-doesnt-know-what-he's-doing. Hotshot was an absolute terror on Shen. Back to his original "catch me if you can" splitpush role. I like the ionic, too. Fills the "i need SOME kind of onhit clearing item for jungling, and some kind of splitpushing item" - instead of getting sunfire+wits. It's even better than wits for killing shit in the jungle, and gives a minor boost to shen's passive [though you're going to have to stack defenses anyway, so that part of it is kinda moot, and could be basically any defensive stat.] Although, I really liked when chaox on graves just stuck on hotshot while the rest 4v4'd at baron, and hs couldn't get away to ult into the baron fight and died giving only his shield. Was all offscreen - watch the minimap and you can basically see what happens. I kinda wonder why he doesnt lean more towards Nocturne rather than Nautilus, everything else considered equal. Splitpushing still works very well for CLG apparently. Re: HotShot jungling, I only really watched his games vs TSM in the grand final, but by far he was the worst player between the 10, edging out Hazzard who lost his lane badly every time unless he played Yorick. -- He had zero control over their own blue. Over half of the games TSM held onto CLG's blue for the whole laning phase, often including the first one, not having blue mid vs someone with blue is so painful. JiJi did well to not feed and have decent cs despite but he was stuck at tower and unable to roam (except teleport ryze games). Regi/TheOddOne converted several aggressive tower dives without much of an answer. -- HotShot was consistently behind on farm and levels in all the games. He was counter-jungled heavily in most of the games and got away unpunished except for once where regi facechecked into jungle shen at low level. He even decided to walk to TSM's blue and duel nocturne as nautilus, at level 1. Predictably he got sent back to the fountain, massively behind. -- He had no lane presence, his only successful jungle ganks were with Shen ulti. He was never in position to counter gank or knew the right timings to gank. In multiple games we would see HSGG nautilus sitting in a bush trying to lane gank when the bush was either warded and/or the enemy laner wasn't even there... Also, not ganking a toplane Karthus? Nautilus + Nidalee should have had Karthus scared at tower but instead Karthus is pushing Hazzard out of lane and somehow out trading even with Nidalee heal. Also bought 4 oracles back-to-back and lost them all after each other. -- Dragon control. I believe TSM got 5/6 first dragons in the games. HSGG smite stole one I believe, but TOO got one back in a later game. All 6 games, TSM played very aggressively, actively pinning down the enemy lane to their tower, converting multiple tower dives with jungle/karthus assistance but HotShot playing ganking junglers was unable to punish them or do much else except Shen ult -> taunt. HotShot was such a non-factor in most of the games I can't believe people actually think he did a good job somehow. In that one baron steal game he was under the support's in farm and gold, and somehow he did a terrific job. CLG played passively, lost all their lanes but not by much (except top), in the games they won, they were able to heavily capitalise off TSM's mistakes. e.g. The Janna/Morg fiasco cost them 2-3 team fights and probably the game. TSM trying to force an early baron with all of CLG up when they were ahead. Dyrus teleport bait - into whole team dying. TSM not having a solution to split push strategy (ban Shen?). HotShot didn't make any glaring mistakes or errors but he didn't make many plays and was consistently behind coming out of the laning/jungling phase underfarmed and underleveled. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On June 12 2012 13:44 sylverfyre wrote: How exactly has HSGG shown us a lack of knowing how to jungle? Seems like everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of hotshot-doesnt-know-what-he's-doing. Hotshot was an absolute terror on Shen. Back to his original "catch me if you can" splitpush role. I like the ionic, too. Fills the "i need SOME kind of onhit clearing item for jungling, and some kind of splitpushing item" - instead of getting sunfire+wits. It's even better than wits for killing shit in the jungle, and gives a minor boost to shen's passive [though you're going to have to stack defenses anyway, so that part of it is kinda moot, and could be basically any defensive stat.] Although, I really liked when chaox on graves just stuck on hotshot while the rest 4v4'd at baron, and hs couldn't get away to ult into the baron fight and died giving only his shield. Was all offscreen - watch the minimap and you can basically see what happens. I kinda wonder why he doesnt lean more towards Nocturne rather than Nautilus, everything else considered equal. Splitpushing still works very well for CLG apparently. I'm still trying to figure out one of the matches. Hotshot was on Nocturne and started Cloth Armor, while TOO was on Nautilus. TSM invaded and stole CLG's blue, so Hotshot went to red. After clearing red and Wraiths, he backed. I was completely blown away by this at the time. He started Cloth Armor and went back after clearing less than half the jungle. He didn't even back to buy an item, but more potions including mana potions. I was absolutely convinced he was going to be way behind TOO. Then I noticed TOO also went back without enough gold to buy anything important. In fact, both of them went back two more times in the next 3-4 minutes leaving me utterly flabbergasted as to what was going on. I really need to find a VOD of that game to figure out what the hell happened because I'm still scratching my head a day later. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:21 jcarlsoniv wrote: She'll still be fine. She just can't build tank and still do shit tons of damage. She has to be played like a normal AP now. Swain, on the other hand... Yeah swain is prettty damn strong now. Pretty much have to super really defensive against him or knock him outta lane before 6. | ||
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