• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:02
CEST 03:02
KST 10:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Has online-only competition during the pandemic changed your enjoyment of pro SC2? How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Remastered crash fix suggestions Syncronization issues and can't find games a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D The Casual Games of the Week Thread Small VOD Thread 2.0 BWCL Season 65 Announcement
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12302 users

[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 49

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 288 Next
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 12 2012 01:54 GMT
#961
On June 12 2012 10:30 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 10:28 dooraven wrote:
On that, though - has CLGeu ever played well at a LAN? They seem like one of those teams that does well online but not at live events.


This was like their second lan ever lol, and their first major lan since being formed. And they actually did play superbly at MLG, both the CLGna and TSM games were extremely close and could have gone either way, but LAN experience for TSM and CLGna are much bigger. The 5th/6th place finish is actually underplaying their performance at this MLG by a significant margin since they were the only team beside CLGna that gave TSM a run for thier money.


True. Also I had forgotten how recently the team was formed. Although, pretty much all of them have been in the scene for a while and playing at a bunch of tournaments in the past so I don't know how much that argument holds water.

But yeah, they only lost to the first and second placing teams so I guess they actually played pretty good. I do think they're a better team than CLG.na though. Or at least I did think so. Losing is pretty good evidence to the contrary.


They typically beat both CLGna and TSM online. This was their first international LAN ever. The only other LAN they've had was an EU only one. Not surprised that they didn't dominate super hard but considering the only series they dropped were to the 1st and 2nd place teams and that both series were close doesn't mean much.

I mean, I still think that on a good day CLGeu is going to beat CLGna or TSM.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
June 12 2012 01:56 GMT
#962
Gamers Assembly.

On that note, Curse.EU was completely surprising, they under-performed the most out of the teams imo, not exactly sure what happened there, but I'm happy that their stupid camp top all game tactic failed.

Dynamic and orbit had really nice showings, dynamic doing well again is nice to see.
Go go Alliance.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 12 2012 01:58 GMT
#963
Froggen + 4 guys syndrome, Dyrus did well against Wickd despite being "90% lose rate" against him
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 12 2012 02:09 GMT
#964
I'm curious to hear what others' opinions are on Shurelya's Reverie.

As I see it, it's the single most influential item in the game and completing it is the most important purchase a support can make (maybe competing with Oracle). And yet you see professional support players delaying completing the item well past the 30-minute mark, which to me is almost as absurd as an AD carry just sitting on BF, Pickaxe, Cloak and then starting his Zeal before finish IE.

Like there was one game at MLG where a team spent the whole game trying to force a fight against a split-pushing Shen, never able to catch the enemy team. And at the 40 minute mark when they surrendered, their support still didn't have Reverie! I think he ended with something like Philo, HoG, Aegis, Boots2, having gone through 2 or 3 Oracle's during the game. Nobody else on the team got Reverie.

Surely this is terrible play? Aegis is nice and cost-efficient and gives some cool stats, but Reverie wins games. My feeling is that almost every team composition with very few exceptions should be aiming to have at least one completed Reverie by the time the laning phase ends. Are players just greedily opting to keep their gold items indefinitely, or is there something I'm missing?
I am the Town Medic.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 12 2012 02:24 GMT
#965
On June 12 2012 11:09 Alzadar wrote:
I'm curious to hear what others' opinions are on Shurelya's Reverie.

As I see it, it's the single most influential item in the game and completing it is the most important purchase a support can make (maybe competing with Oracle). And yet you see professional support players delaying completing the item well past the 30-minute mark, which to me is almost as absurd as an AD carry just sitting on BF, Pickaxe, Cloak and then starting his Zeal before finish IE.

Like there was one game at MLG where a team spent the whole game trying to force a fight against a split-pushing Shen, never able to catch the enemy team. And at the 40 minute mark when they surrendered, their support still didn't have Reverie! I think he ended with something like Philo, HoG, Aegis, Boots2, having gone through 2 or 3 Oracle's during the game. Nobody else on the team got Reverie.

Surely this is terrible play? Aegis is nice and cost-efficient and gives some cool stats, but Reverie wins games. My feeling is that almost every team composition with very few exceptions should be aiming to have at least one completed Reverie by the time the laning phase ends. Are players just greedily opting to keep their gold items indefinitely, or is there something I'm missing?



Don't tanks usually opt to get the reverie because it allows them to initiate better?
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 02:33:35
June 12 2012 02:30 GMT
#966
When u make a Shurelias reverie, you give up a gp/5. And gp/5 are a Support's entire income besides global gold/assists. And supports have to buy wards/oracles, so they're not exactly rich or anything. Wards/oracles highest priority in support item lineup.

Although, support gameplay is still very underdeveloped.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 12 2012 02:34 GMT
#967
Depends on the team. If your team has no issues engaging or disengaging then you don't need reverie. All builds are situational.
Remember Violet.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 12 2012 02:45 GMT
#968
Aegis is probably one of the most cost effective items in the game too
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 12 2012 02:49 GMT
#969
On June 12 2012 11:30 0123456789 wrote:
When u make a Shurelias reverie, you give up a gp/5. And gp/5 are a Support's entire income besides global gold/assists. And supports have to buy wards/oracles, so they're not exactly rich or anything. Wards/oracles highest priority in support item lineup.

Although, support gameplay is still very underdeveloped.


You get 15% CDR, tons of health, and tons of health/mana regen.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 12 2012 03:05 GMT
#970
reverie is pretty good. urgot w/ reverie was pretty interesting to watch, it was pretty secks to watch dlift rape w/ new urgot build.
liftlift > tsm
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#971
On June 12 2012 11:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 11:30 0123456789 wrote:
When u make a Shurelias reverie, you give up a gp/5. And gp/5 are a Support's entire income besides global gold/assists. And supports have to buy wards/oracles, so they're not exactly rich or anything. Wards/oracles highest priority in support item lineup.

Although, support gameplay is still very underdeveloped.


You get 15% CDR, tons of health, and tons of health/mana regen.

I think of mana regen as a horrible stat though in most cases. During the laning phase I like it since a few doran's let mana users without blue have enough regen to keep farming. Later on though I'd rather have anything else.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#972
On June 12 2012 11:30 0123456789 wrote:
When u make a Shurelias reverie, you give up a gp/5. And gp/5 are a Support's entire income besides global gold/assists. And supports have to buy wards/oracles, so they're not exactly rich or anything. Wards/oracles highest priority in support item lineup.

Although, support gameplay is still very underdeveloped.

Do we really need to get into how little the gp10 part of gp10s are actually worth again?

Spines and Uta aren't here to turn it into a shitstorm again I guess.
Moderator
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
June 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#973
^--- I can help if u like
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 12 2012 03:42 GMT
#974
Please don't turn this into the monthly rendition of "HOW GOOD ARE GP10s!". We honestly just need to do a write up and keep all that information in some sort of thread. Rather than just rampaging about it every time someone says something about it.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 12 2012 03:54 GMT
#975
On June 12 2012 12:42 Cixah wrote:
Please don't turn this into the monthly rendition of "HOW GOOD ARE GP10s!". We honestly just need to do a write up and keep all that information in some sort of thread. Rather than just rampaging about it every time someone says something about it.

Why doesn't anyone make a thread?
I support someone make one.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 12 2012 03:59 GMT
#976
3 gp10 is good, ya mad?
liftlift > tsm
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
June 12 2012 04:02 GMT
#977
4 is the way to go.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 12 2012 04:07 GMT
#978
Get 2 philo stone for that op lane sustain.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 12 2012 04:09 GMT
#979
Why not just make your full builds all GP10?
Fuck unique passives, FTP!
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 04:15:18
June 12 2012 04:14 GMT
#980
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 288 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
ISSL Monthly #1 - Day 1
CranKy Ducklings112
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
22:00
Masters Cup #151
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2087
GuemChi 1722
Artosis 547
ViBE51
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm88
PGG 46
febbydoto21
League of Legends
Doublelift3991
Counter-Strike
minikerr23
Super Smash Bros
PPMD68
Other Games
summit1g10143
Liquid`RaSZi1761
Day[9].tv731
C9.Mang0289
XaKoH 258
PiGStarcraft133
Livibee122
Mew2King55
Liquid`TLO23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1924
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 72
• EnkiAlexander 17
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv731
• imaqtpie626
• Shiphtur94
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
9h 58m
RotterdaM Event
15h 13m
Replay Cast
22h 58m
GSL
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
GSL
2 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
2 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.