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CreationSoul
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania231 Posts
May 19 2012 08:01 GMT
#3881
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?
Quitting is the easy way out...
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
May 19 2012 08:03 GMT
#3882
Dragon.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
May 19 2012 08:12 GMT
#3883
Someone needs to update the TL calendar. OGN LOL finals are happenning now, not in 2 hours.

own3d.tv/ognlol
twitch.tv/ognlol
Go go Alliance.
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
May 19 2012 08:16 GMT
#3884
its the meta
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 19 2012 08:20 GMT
#3885
GSL Code S and this at the same time -.- Champions League Tonight

Love my life!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 08:54:28
May 19 2012 08:51 GMT
#3886
On May 19 2012 03:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:13 BlackPaladin wrote:
Bit late but, people who don't gg or who go "bg" are fucking retarded. Kids so mad, geez. "Whaaa I didn't win, i'm not gonna gg!" gg isn't even about winning or losing. -_-


Yes, because being honest about the quality of a game definitely relates to being mad.

If I'm top and smash my lane all game, only to see that bot is 0/10 combined with no CS, jungle has been AFK farming and causing mid+bot to bitch at him, and then we get destroyed in team fights, there is no point in saying "gg" because it simply wasn't. Saying nothing at all is the best thing to do in that situation.

But in certain scenarios, a "gg wp" is definitely called for, because it was just that.

I know I'm late to the party, but:
this guy is the bane of my LoL existence.

Get your facts straight before commenting on shit you have no clue about.
I'm mad.


On May 19 2012 17:01 CreationSoul wrote:
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?


People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.
currently rooting for myself.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 19 2012 08:55 GMT
#3887
On May 19 2012 17:12 dooraven wrote:
Someone needs to update the TL calendar. OGN LOL finals are happenning now, not in 2 hours.

own3d.tv/ognlol
twitch.tv/ognlol

Thanks sir. Toggled it live.
God Bless
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
May 19 2012 09:48 GMT
#3888
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:13 BlackPaladin wrote:
Bit late but, people who don't gg or who go "bg" are fucking retarded. Kids so mad, geez. "Whaaa I didn't win, i'm not gonna gg!" gg isn't even about winning or losing. -_-


Yes, because being honest about the quality of a game definitely relates to being mad.

If I'm top and smash my lane all game, only to see that bot is 0/10 combined with no CS, jungle has been AFK farming and causing mid+bot to bitch at him, and then we get destroyed in team fights, there is no point in saying "gg" because it simply wasn't. Saying nothing at all is the best thing to do in that situation.

But in certain scenarios, a "gg wp" is definitely called for, because it was just that.

I know I'm late to the party, but:
this guy is the bane of my LoL existence.

Get your facts straight before commenting on shit you have no clue about.
I'm mad.


Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 17:01 CreationSoul wrote:
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?


People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.

You must not be watching them. Just a few (im on d3 schedule, might be 5-6) hours ago they went with ad support top and karthus bottom
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 19 2012 10:16 GMT
#3889
New voice-over for Ashe too? I'm curious now.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
May 19 2012 10:40 GMT
#3890
On May 19 2012 18:48 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:13 BlackPaladin wrote:
Bit late but, people who don't gg or who go "bg" are fucking retarded. Kids so mad, geez. "Whaaa I didn't win, i'm not gonna gg!" gg isn't even about winning or losing. -_-


Yes, because being honest about the quality of a game definitely relates to being mad.

If I'm top and smash my lane all game, only to see that bot is 0/10 combined with no CS, jungle has been AFK farming and causing mid+bot to bitch at him, and then we get destroyed in team fights, there is no point in saying "gg" because it simply wasn't. Saying nothing at all is the best thing to do in that situation.

But in certain scenarios, a "gg wp" is definitely called for, because it was just that.

I know I'm late to the party, but:
this guy is the bane of my LoL existence.

Get your facts straight before commenting on shit you have no clue about.
I'm mad.


On May 19 2012 17:01 CreationSoul wrote:
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?


People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.

You must not be watching them. Just a few (im on d3 schedule, might be 5-6) hours ago they went with ad support top and karthus bottom

Haven't been able to follow the scene as actively as I would like since IPL4 due to university obligations and since finding a place for two in this city is a bitch. Thanks for mentioning it, though.
currently rooting for myself.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
May 19 2012 11:28 GMT
#3891
On May 19 2012 17:01 CreationSoul wrote:
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?


Mages need blue buff so they go mid with easy access to it. Mages also tend to be better at roaming.
Your double lane goes near dragon to help control it.
AD Carry gets the double lane because he doesn't need exp as much as other roles (just gold). Also safer against ganks thanks to the support.

Although it always annoys me when the AD still believes bottom lane belongs to him at like 30 mins. You need to keep up the baron pressure, let a less essential person clear bot and give the AD mid farm.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 14:13:44
May 19 2012 14:01 GMT
#3892
oops
NoobieOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1183 Posts
May 19 2012 14:19 GMT
#3893
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.


Don't know why people assume they don't care about dragon. Their theory is if the other team is stronger don't contest dragon. That is a big if and I have been seeing in scrims them going for dragon as soon as 6 mins in and then contesting it again when the other team went for it at 13 mins because they believed they could win the fight (and did).
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
May 19 2012 15:17 GMT
#3894
On May 19 2012 23:19 NoobieOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.


Don't know why people assume they don't care about dragon. Their theory is if the other team is stronger don't contest dragon. That is a big if and I have been seeing in scrims them going for dragon as soon as 6 mins in and then contesting it again when the other team went for it at 13 mins because they believed they could win the fight (and did).

Where did I say they did not care for dragon?
They don't value it as highly as other teams do, that's all I was saying.
currently rooting for myself.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 16:55:58
May 19 2012 16:55 GMT
#3895
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On May 19 2012 03:13 BlackPaladin wrote:
Bit late but, people who don't gg or who go "bg" are fucking retarded. Kids so mad, geez. "Whaaa I didn't win, i'm not gonna gg!" gg isn't even about winning or losing. -_-


Yes, because being honest about the quality of a game definitely relates to being mad.

If I'm top and smash my lane all game, only to see that bot is 0/10 combined with no CS, jungle has been AFK farming and causing mid+bot to bitch at him, and then we get destroyed in team fights, there is no point in saying "gg" because it simply wasn't. Saying nothing at all is the best thing to do in that situation.

But in certain scenarios, a "gg wp" is definitely called for, because it was just that.

I know I'm late to the party, but:
this guy is the bane of my LoL existence.

Get your facts straight before commenting on shit you have no clue about.
I'm mad.


Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 17:01 CreationSoul wrote:
Hello there,

I am pretty new to LoL (like 2 months). I always wondered why do ADs + supports always go bottom and not top? What is the logic behind this?


People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.


So when did the gaming community come to a consensus on what the term "gg" means?

Don't act like your interpretation of it is law.

Oh and dat meme. So cute.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
May 19 2012 17:31 GMT
#3896
Watch me on rainmans stream. I'm going to carry him, and kobe24's sry little buttockses.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 17:50:30
May 19 2012 17:43 GMT
#3897
On May 20 2012 00:17 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 23:19 NoobieOne wrote:
On May 19 2012 17:51 Shiv. wrote:
People want an AD in their team because they need them to siege towers mid game.
People want their AD paired with a support because unless they get snowballed, these kind of lanes usually win against Bruiser/support lanes.
People want this specific combination bottom because in case of a dragon fight, you want as many people as possible down there helping to contest/secure it.

That being said, I wonder why CLG, who don't value dragon as much, don't experiment more with AD+Support top.


Don't know why people assume they don't care about dragon. Their theory is if the other team is stronger don't contest dragon. That is a big if and I have been seeing in scrims them going for dragon as soon as 6 mins in and then contesting it again when the other team went for it at 13 mins because they believed they could win the fight (and did).

Where did I say they did not care for dragon?
They don't value it as highly as other teams do, that's all I was saying.


They do value it but if they're not in the proper position they're not going to be in a poor position just to contest dragon. A lost dragon fight + a lost dragon is just throwing away the game. A lost dragon while you're pushing 2 or so lanes + getting a tower isn't as huge of a loss, and actually makes the gold not that far off from one another.

On May 20 2012 02:31 0123456789 wrote:
Watch me on rainmans stream. I'm going to carry him, and kobe24's sry little buttockses.


"This graves is like 'I'm going to carry your ass bro, carry your ass bro....l0l0l yeah right"

"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 19 2012 17:59 GMT
#3898
I was playing warwick in low elo vs a kennen top, and I had no idea what to do. I gave up first blood in a slightly close match (I could have escaped if I was a bit faster with a flash), and then I was forced to play really passive, where ken could still manage to kill me with his ult+harrassment. I couldn't really do anything because he could AA me and be out of range of my Q. I started with boots+3pots btw.
I managed to win the lane and help win the game in the end because I got two ganks from our Naut (and warwick is really good with ganks ), and then going to gank mid and stuff. I just wanted to know, what the hell do you have to do against kennen top? Last hitting was insanely difficult, trading was almost impossible, and without ganks, I would have completely lost top. What am I supposed to do?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 19 2012 18:05 GMT
#3899
Kennen is a bitch top. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
May 19 2012 18:09 GMT
#3900
On May 20 2012 02:59 Dark_Chill wrote:
I was playing warwick in low elo vs a kennen top, and I had no idea what to do. I gave up first blood in a slightly close match (I could have escaped if I was a bit faster with a flash), and then I was forced to play really passive, where ken could still manage to kill me with his ult+harrassment. I couldn't really do anything because he could AA me and be out of range of my Q. I started with boots+3pots btw.
I managed to win the lane and help win the game in the end because I got two ganks from our Naut (and warwick is really good with ganks ), and then going to gank mid and stuff. I just wanted to know, what the hell do you have to do against kennen top? Last hitting was insanely difficult, trading was almost impossible, and without ganks, I would have completely lost top. What am I supposed to do?


Sounds like what you did is what you're supposed to do in that matchup, minus giving up FB. You can't really get aggressive against ken since you'll never actually do damage unless he's bad. You facilitate ganks w/ your ult and you rely on your ability in the late game to be tanky.

While I wouldn't advocate it because I haven't played the matchup enough (as ww), I know some people who go chalice against AP champs top so you can spam Q to mitigate some harass and the MR doesn't hurt either. Kennen, in general, simply lanes extremely well. Whether they max Q or W, they can do solid harass and e provides an easy escape. As long as you don't feed him it's unlikely he should be able to burst you down, so you just sustain in lane after your first or second back.
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