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On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues.
To quote myself:
AD > APen because the damage against champions is pretty much equal, but the damage against minions is significantly better for AD. Now that's fine and all, but I can lasthit without that extra AD, I don't need that AD, RIGHT? No. When your enemy knows exactly when you will go for a lasthit, he can punish you for it. But the more AD you have, the more time you have to get that lasthit in. That means you have a greater chance to take that lasthit while your enemy can't punish because he is out of position or busy lasthitting himself and so on.
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On April 20 2012 02:17 Flicky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense. I've also been told that it's to do with sustaining more with the 3% lifesteal mastery.
Dat extra half a hit point in lifesteal REAL stroink.
Lifesteal mastery is pretty much only good for stacking with other lifesteal. On its own its beyond terrible.
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M5 takes 2 sneaky drags from behind the dragon pit with Lee singah / Karthus combo, first one at 4 minutes or so.
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I feel like ArPen is better in certain situations. I like to run ArPen runes in a lane like Graves Taric mainly because I'll be doing true damage whenever we want to trade and it helps with the 100-0 kills at level 6. Oh, by the way Taric + Graves can 100-0 almost anyone lol. Taric armor debuff + ad/ap steroid too strong.
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On April 20 2012 02:24 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:17 Flicky wrote:On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense. I've also been told that it's to do with sustaining more with the 3% lifesteal mastery. Dat extra half a hit point in lifesteal REAL stroink. Lifesteal mastery is pretty much only good for stacking with other lifesteal. On its own its beyond terrible.
That makes no sense. Just because the number is small, it isn't bad. It all depends on the investment you made. Which is pretty low for 3% lifesteal. Lifesteal stacks additively, so you don't get anything special from stacking lifesteal.
Why do people keep treating small numbers as meaningless without considering relative values?
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I recall Shen and Pantheon beating Nidalee (AD, at least).
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Is the US chat client crazy bugged for anyone else?
I can see friends list, talk to people directly, but cannot see any chat rooms, text in champ select, or see myself in team set up. O.o;
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So does anyone know whats going on with EUW or when it's coming back up?
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is EUW still down or something.. mm
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On April 20 2012 02:33 Haemonculus wrote:
Is the US chat client crazy bugged for anyone else?
I can see friends list, talk to people directly, but cannot see any chat rooms, text in champ select, or see myself in team set up. O.o;
Same on EU West, everything is bugged.
After trying to relog, it was on 1h45m waiting time... after 30 minutes it jumped to this screen at which i'm looking since 10 minutes:
+ Show Spoiler +
Edit: Cancelled and tried again...
+ Show Spoiler +
No LoL today, it seems.
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On April 20 2012 02:20 wussleeQ wrote:NO YORICK IS NOT AN ASSHOLE. STOP ALL THE HATE. AD NIDALEE IS THE ASSHOLE. No, really, I hate nidalee so much. I don't think I've ever won a lane vs her. Sure she's supposed to do a lot less late game but at 6 she's just able to do so much damage and effectively kick me out of lane within a couple minutes. I feel like my hate for her though is the fact that she's impossible to catch and does too much damage to trade with  .Anyone have tips?
Chauster is running ad kennen versus some kind of tank nidalee and it's working. idk if that helps you at all or not. Also I agree that yorick is not an asshole, simply because yorick is the only time I feel comfortable playing nasus. Q ghouls for +3 dmg all day.
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On April 20 2012 02:24 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:17 Flicky wrote:On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense. I've also been told that it's to do with sustaining more with the 3% lifesteal mastery. Dat extra half a hit point in lifesteal REAL stroink. Lifesteal mastery is pretty much only good for stacking with other lifesteal. On its own its beyond terrible.
That's a really stupid statement. You get the same benefit with 3%-->6% as with 12%-->15%. You just can't see the pretty green numbers with just 3% so you assume it's not there.
It's like saying veteran scars is totally useless because it's only 80 hp it's only good if you stack it with other hp.
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On April 20 2012 02:36 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:33 Haemonculus wrote:
Is the US chat client crazy bugged for anyone else?
I can see friends list, talk to people directly, but cannot see any chat rooms, text in champ select, or see myself in team set up. O.o;
Same on EU West, everything is bugged. After trying to relog, it was on 1h45m waiting time... after 30 minutes it jumped to this screen at which i'm looking since 10 minutes: + Show Spoiler +Edit: Cancelled and tried again... + Show Spoiler +No LoL today, it seems.
Exactly the same, even the time I have to wait, lol.
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On April 19 2012 23:17 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 23:03 Haemonculus wrote:On April 19 2012 22:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:So what are the best counters for Hecarim toplane? For the incomming free ELO this week and in Hecarimfree week  I've fared well against him as Renekton and Kayle. On another similar note: What the f*** counters Yorrick? I HATE THAT GUY OMG Welcome to the "Yorick is an asshole" club.
I'm thinking trundle might be a nice counter to him, i play only support, so this is just "minor theorycrafting" thinking on top trundle (due to it's pasive, plus a wriggle should do wonders too :D!).
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I've yet to see Hecarim, but does flask work with his charge?
so you could charge, flash, and get a large damage bonus?
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On April 20 2012 02:25 daemir wrote:
M5 takes 2 sneaky drags from behind the dragon pit with Lee singah / Karthus combo, first one at 4 minutes or so.
Link please?
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United States37500 Posts
I've love it if this lead to the return to pre 5 min Dragons. :O
Shit was pretty fun during beta.
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On April 20 2012 02:37 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 02:24 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 20 2012 02:17 Flicky wrote:On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense. I've also been told that it's to do with sustaining more with the 3% lifesteal mastery. Dat extra half a hit point in lifesteal REAL stroink. Lifesteal mastery is pretty much only good for stacking with other lifesteal. On its own its beyond terrible. That's a really stupid statement. You get the same benefit with 3%-->6% as with 12%-->15%. You just can't see the pretty green numbers with just 3% so you assume it's not there. It's like saying veteran scars is totally useless because it's only 80 hp it's only good if you stack it with other hp.
It was more a statement that going for 15 ad because it make the 3% base lifesteal better is a pretty weak argument becuase the actual gain for doing it is negligible.
And its really not all that stupid a statement: if you are not going to be getting any additional lifesteal you should probably look towards a different couple of points in the offense tree. 3% isnt enough to actually sustain you at any point in the game. Its like getting 3% crit and then never buying any more: sure it might help you, but its not actually going to enough to make the investment worthwhile in terms of what the stat actually SHOULD be used for.
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