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On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues.
Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense.
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On April 20 2012 00:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Main problem I have is that the gold reward for CS is too small and any kill sprees have text that is WAY too big. It covers the top 3rd of the screen. Already caused me miss a kill and die as a resut.
i can see that many people are having the same problems as me. the CS text isn't a problem for me, but that gigantic text in my way does piss me off. is there a way to turn it off?
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Vengeance Cup Ro8 M5 vs MYM starting soon.
Delayed due to Eu-West imploding.
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Nice 20 min queue in EUw ><
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...what the fuck, 1h11minute q to EUW?
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Just on Hecarim's ganks, I think his lane ganks are among the best. Come through lane with E and then ult through them + knock them away from their tower. With any sort of coordination it's a very strong gank, even better with ghost up obviously. His ganks pre-6 aren't too great though since getting behind people is usually difficult, and Q needs to hit harder against minions for him to be really good.
Overall I really don't think he's that bad, and he has some upsides as a jungler. His early game dueling is pretty good, his ult is obviously great, and his clear speed for his first clear isn't bad as long as you get a good blue leash. A couple of times I've ran into an enemy jungler at level 2-3 and just straight up killed them, since with ghost up he does insane damage at low levels and is impossible to escape.
As far as builds go, you really have to go straight bruiser instead of building him like a tank. Wriggles, hexdrinker and triforce are good items, and for tank items I think frozen heart is much better than going early HoG into randuins just because CDR feels so good on him.
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On April 20 2012 00:52 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:45 miicah wrote:
So how do you beat olaf early game? I was jungle mundo and our solo top riven types "lanes lost top" in chat, so I head up there for a gank. Olaf does 25% of my hp with his strike, slows me, ignites and im dead. He was a major force until about 35mins in, when we could survive long enough to exhaust him after his ult was down.
So is it just health stack to beat him? Ranged champs. Does Riven bea himt Olaf? EW-aa-out could allow to harass him, but I guess it's still dangerous to last hit w/o pushing as she's purely melee. Other than that, Teemo's an asshole, and he's been buffed (he hurts, and from my experience once I can QE him through move quick but once he's got phage he just has to proc it between my Q and when I reach him and he's won unless I ult and all-in him), Swain could be annoying if you can deal with skillshots (same thing: be wary of Olaf ulting through QW and diving you), Vayne is probably excellent against him, as would be Graves (does Olaf's ult prevent the smoke effect?). Generally ranged champs, or champs who can harass/farm from a distance (no, not Galio). Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 19 2012 22:42 Alaric wrote:On April 19 2012 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Ocelote is playing Viktor on his stream.
The quiet day may be over It's 'k, he's playing kinda badly. Overextending all day despite the laser, not managing his mana and getting caught. Plus he's so much behind Kennen now he's not going to be able to do much. Aww I missed it... I do enjoy watching pros fail with Viktor. Mercs, Gravity Augment, Haunting Guise, Abyssal, and he was going for Rabaddon, REQW, against a Kennen. I know he didn't really build AP, but I was shocked how often he'd E wraiths or a full creep wave only to have all minions remain at 10% hp (wouldn't happen w/ Death). He also came far too close or tried diving to get a kill with RQ (notably on an Ashe) and exploding as soon as he got in range. You've got a freakin' 1200 range lazor, why are you ever close enough for Kennen to rush-ult you? 
In my experience from both sides of the matchup, Olaf is one of the few champs that Riven has a really hard time with. Unless she maxes E, after a few levels in Reckless Swing Olaf just does way too much damage at once. It cuts right through her shield and puts him ahead in just about any trade. Riven can do really well the first few levels, but once that true damage gets high enough she gets trashed since she doesn't build health and can't reliably sustain off of creeps with Olaf sitting there.
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On April 20 2012 01:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 00:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Its just slightly concerning because every time they make a change it seems as though they never actually played WITH that change. Like when they first switched up the text and made everything yellow. And then made the scoreboard so rediculously small you couldnt actually read it. Isn't that what the PBE is for though? I would think they get some responses?
I think they use it mostly for bugfixes, not for actual feedback.
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You can no longer spam taunt/laugh. its a sad sad day indeed
EDIT: ashe can still touch herself as you can still spam dance, so a ray of sunshine on this rainy day
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On April 20 2012 01:33 HazMat wrote:
I'm bad at last hitting so I run flat AD, trufax. I tried going 25apen on Lee top because it makes the most sense, especially since I go Bruta but it felt really weak, and my cs'ing was ass. Someone woo me with some mathcraft so I can stop being a noob and start running apen again.
You can find some maths about 15 ad vs 25 arpen here.
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I managed to beat olaf with jarvan... granted the olaf was pretty bad but it was pretty funny how jarvan seems to be the most effective "cc" against olaf ulti i mean unless i trap my whole team in ulti then oops >_>
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On April 20 2012 01:53 daemir wrote:...what the fuck, 1h11minute q to EUW? + Show Spoiler +Real. Is this champ really that popular or what's happening
You are lucky...
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I was online several times before, but some stuff isn't working at all (chat for example).
EDIT: Also, Steam is down for me and some other germans...
They want me to get over my ladder fear, it seems :p
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On April 20 2012 01:53 daemir wrote:
...what the fuck, 1h11minute q to EUW?
They must have broken something big time. 1:20 here.
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Ocelote playing AP Alistar :O :D I wish I hadn't missed the beginning, how you get to Deathcap, Lichbane, and DFG is beyond me haha
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On April 19 2012 23:03 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 22:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:So what are the best counters for Hecarim toplane? For the incomming free ELO this week and in Hecarimfree week  I've fared well against him as Renekton and Kayle. On another similar note: What the f*** counters Yorrick? I HATE THAT GUY OMG
I'm low Elo so take this with a grain of salt, but I usually pick Nidalee(AP, I hate AD Nid with a passion) when I'm vs Yorick, and it seems to work pretty well. Before lvl 6 you can just heal yourself while you last hit, and ignore his harass. Once you're lvl 6 you can push him out of lane quite easily.
But yeah, Yorick is still an asshole
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On April 20 2012 02:10 mordek wrote:
Ocelote playing AP Alistar :O :D I wish I hadn't missed the beginning, how you get to Deathcap, Lichbane, and DFG is beyond me haha
Looks like it was maybe a game with viewers. It was a normal but it looked like a lot of fun.
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On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense.
I've also been told that it's to do with sustaining more with the 3% lifesteal mastery.
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On April 20 2012 01:44 Raynian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.
On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues. Two reasons, mostly. It makes it easier to last hit, and a good early game scales into a better late game. Also, the new masteries let you get 10% and 6 flat arpen. Someone crunched the math somewhere, and found out that arpen and flat AD runes are roughly equal now if you go 21 offense.
on tryndamere you want the full 25 armor pen and then take either armor yellow or mr blue flat depending on what lane your facing, take attack speed in the attribute you arent facing
so against something like renekton
armor pen/armor/attack speed
against kennen
armor pen/attack speed/mr
21-9-0 spells up to you, i usually like exhaust/ignite or heal/ignite or some bullshit like that. spells arent too important on him
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NO YORICK IS NOT AN ASSHOLE. STOP ALL THE HATE. AD NIDALEE IS THE ASSHOLE.
No, really, I hate nidalee so much. I don't think I've ever won a lane vs her. Sure she's supposed to do a lot less late game but at 6 she's just able to do so much damage and effectively kick me out of lane within a couple minutes. I feel like my hate for her though is the fact that she's impossible to catch and does too much damage to trade with .Anyone have tips?
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