Jungle-wise he can clear well enough and such, but he's a mana hog and the benefits of giving him blue are limited compared to similar junglers. If you're building a team comp where you're planning on giving your jungler blue you're better off grabbing Skarner or Olaf if you need a bruiser.

Nafaltar

Germany302 Posts

April 19 2012 15:09 GMT

#482

On April 19 2012 23:03 Haemonculus wrote:

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I've fared well against him as Renekton and Kayle.

On another similar note: What the f*** counters Yorrick? I HATE THAT GUY OMG

Lee Sin and Riven are excellent. Both force him to rush armour if he doesn't wish to get killed in a simple engage, at which point you can just out-sustain him easily enough. And as always just getting an early gank is a pretty big deal top, as the lane snowballs so easily on so many champs.

noggnoskill

United States97 Posts

April 19 2012 15:10 GMT

#483

I really like the new floating combat text, but the new text for sprees/first blood/multikills is just atrocious. It's very distracting; we don't need the announcer screaming it AND have these huge block letters in the middle of our screens telling us the same thing when we could be focusing on playing the game. Furthermore, it feels like the game is just telling you HAHA YOU SUCK RETARD when you get first blooded or multi-killed.

Thoughts?

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

April 19 2012 15:18 GMT

#484

I hate the new floating combat text and wish it would die in a fire and for some reason selecting legacy text doesn't change the healing text so I still have to watch it when I'm at fountain or have lifesteal. IDK why they changed it in the first place. Does seeing numbers fly left and right actually make the game better? Make it easier to read? I don't think so.

I CAN AGREE WITH YOU ON CAPS ANNOUNCEMENTS THOUGH IT'S ANNOYING, I feel like I can't see anything when it pops up, I'm just waiting for it to cause me to derp into a turret or something.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

April 19 2012 15:18 GMT

#485

Main problem I have is that the gold reward for CS is too small and any kill sprees have text that is WAY too big. It covers the top 3rd of the screen. Already caused me miss a kill and die as a resut.

Sabin010

United States1892 Posts

April 19 2012 15:25 GMT

#486

On April 20 2012 00:09 Nafaltar wrote:

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From experience, Riven can just pull the lane early, shielding the ghouls and out running them (edit or just kill them). Then start harassing at 3 with all your moves. You start to naturally push the lane out by doing this, and should hit 6 a few creeps before him. This is when you dive him.

jadoth

694 Posts

April 19 2012 15:30 GMT

#487

i like the new damage texts except that crits are no longer bigger which is really bad. also the announcement have killed me too. so dumb. can you turn the announcements off but kept the new damage text?

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

April 19 2012 15:32 GMT

#488

well, the 30 minute EU queue is back, didnt take that long. -.-

also, i agree. I dont know how riot designers play this game, but i very much need my top third of the screen not being obstructed.

Lunek

Poland164 Posts

April 19 2012 15:37 GMT

#489

About countering yorick- I find nasus to be solid aswell, you get stacks off his ghouls, if you survive early on everything should go rather easy

noggnoskill

United States97 Posts

April 19 2012 15:40 GMT

#490

On April 20 2012 00:18 phyvo wrote:
I hate the new floating combat text and wish it would die in a fire and for some reason selecting legacy text doesn't change the healing text so I still have to watch it when I'm at fountain or have lifesteal. IDK why they changed it in the first place. Does seeing numbers fly left and right actually make the game better? Make it easier to read? I don't think so.

I CAN AGREE WITH YOU ON CAPS ANNOUNCEMENTS THOUGH IT'S ANNOYING, I feel like I can't see anything when it pops up, I'm just waiting for it to cause me to derp into a turret or something.

I used to be an MMO player, so I like to see the exact numbers for the damages, but I guess perhaps people who come from Dota think it's retarded and number should, as before, only be visible for crits. I think they should have more specific options for the text, though, like colors, size, the way it fades out, etc; even fonts would be cool. Although you could get it they way you want by modding, I think they'd prefer people didn't mess with their client too much considering they don't have any sort of built in UI mod support.

Two_DoWn

United States13684 Posts

April 19 2012 15:45 GMT

#491

Its just slightly concerning because every time they make a change it seems as though they never actually played WITH that change. Like when they first switched up the text and made everything yellow. And then made the scoreboard so rediculously small you couldnt actually read it.

Shiv.

3534 Posts

April 19 2012 15:46 GMT

#492

EUW down?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

April 19 2012 15:52 GMT

#493

On April 19 2012 22:45 miicah wrote:
So how do you beat olaf early game? I was jungle mundo and our solo top riven types "lanes lost top" in chat, so I head up there for a gank. Olaf does 25% of my hp with his strike, slows me, ignites and im dead. He was a major force until about 35mins in, when we could survive long enough to exhaust him after his ult was down.

So is it just health stack to beat him?

Ranged champs. Does Riven bea himt Olaf? EW-aa-out could allow to harass him, but I guess it's still dangerous to last hit w/o pushing as she's purely melee.
Other than that, Teemo's an asshole, and he's been buffed (he hurts, and from my experience once I can QE him through move quick but once he's got phage he just has to proc it between my Q and when I reach him and he's won unless I ult and all-in him), Swain could be annoying if you can deal with skillshots (same thing: be wary of Olaf ulting through QW and diving you), Vayne is probably excellent against him, as would be Graves (does Olaf's ult prevent the smoke effect?).
Generally ranged champs, or champs who can harass/farm from a distance (no, not Galio).

On April 19 2012 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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Aww I missed it...

I do enjoy watching pros fail with Viktor.

Mercs, Gravity Augment, Haunting Guise, Abyssal, and he was going for Rabaddon, REQW, against a Kennen. I know he didn't really build AP, but I was shocked how often he'd E wraiths or a full creep wave only to have all minions remain at 10% hp (wouldn't happen w/ Death). He also came far too close or tried diving to get a kill with RQ (notably on an Ashe) and exploding as soon as he got in range.
You've got a freakin' 1200 range lazor, why are you ever close enough for Kennen to rush-ult you?

Haemonculus

United States6980 Posts

April 19 2012 16:24 GMT

#494

I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.

On that topic, what're folks running on Trondamere these days? AD or arpen? I've always assloads of arpen, armor yellows, and scalin' mres blues.

AsnSensation

Germany24009 Posts

April 19 2012 16:31 GMT

#495

do those lvl 3 boots which pretty much nobody buys make sense on heracim? or is the bonus dmg compared to tier 2 boots pretty much neglectable and one should go with the zerks, tabis or mercs.

GARO

United States2255 Posts

April 19 2012 16:31 GMT

#496

On April 20 2012 01:24 Haemonculus wrote:
I've seen a lot of folks start totally forgoing armor pen runes in favor of AD runes. Why the change in attitude? I understand that for champs with solid AD ratios on spells it can be nice, but I always thought it was pretty proven that early game armor pen is significantly better than AD. And +15 AD late game is probably nothing compared to 25 armor pen.

I've seen that A LOT on solo tops even though that lane tends to have opponents stacking armor far earlier than bot lane ADs...

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

April 19 2012 16:33 GMT

#497

I'm bad at last hitting so I run flat AD, trufax. I tried going 25apen on Lee top because it makes the most sense, especially since I go Bruta but it felt really weak, and my cs'ing was ass. Someone woo me with some mathcraft so I can stop being a noob and start running apen again.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

April 19 2012 16:33 GMT

#498

I've actually been having a lot of fun with Hecarim. He's not the best jungler, but I really like his kit and gank style, plus charge-jumping on peoples faces is pretty damn funny. I don't think I'll bring him to ranked, but I'm enjoying him in normals.

And I think that's ok, to have a champion that's fun but not the best. Hell, I really like playing Ezreal, but if I'm going to a ranked game, I'm putting on my Kog face. Fun is fun, and maybe someone will stumble across a build that makes him good as well.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

April 19 2012 16:36 GMT

#499

what music service does jiji use these days? I want to steal his musics

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

April 19 2012 16:38 GMT

#500

On April 20 2012 00:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Its just slightly concerning because every time they make a change it seems as though they never actually played WITH that change. Like when they first switched up the text and made everything yellow. And then made the scoreboard so rediculously small you couldnt actually read it.

Isn't that what the PBE is for though? I would think they get some responses?