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Bring back WCG Reginald. =\
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On March 22 2012 15:26 arb wrote:
What runes does he use to jungle mundo?
To follow up on this what item to start out with and what is the general core build for him? I posted this question in the mundo thread too last night but didn't get any response.
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On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\
I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)?
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If memory serves Jungle mundo runs 10armor pen to jungle effectively, armor yellows, mr per level blues and I believe either ad or magic pen quints(quints I just can't remember but yeah..)
Masteries wise you'd want the magic pen talent in offensive and I'd guess some defensive masteries elsewhere. *shrug*
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On March 22 2012 15:46 Parnage wrote:
If memory serves Jungle mundo runs 10armor pen to jungle effectively, armor yellows, mr per level blues and I believe either ad or magic pen quints(quints I just can't remember but yeah..)
Masteries wise you'd want the magic pen talent in offensive and I'd guess some defensive masteries elsewhere. *shrug*
With his free AD, quints wouldnt make much sense would they.
Maybe AS?
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Rincent takes full asped reds and quints on his mundo.
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On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)?
He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way.
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SV uses 10 Arpen, 5.1% aspd, 25 armor, 24mr@18 on Mundo. SV doesn't like Rincent's runes, saying that coming from a jungle standpoint he knows what he needs in the jungle better than Rincent does.
For the most part I've seen him do cloth 5. I must've seen a dshield opening somewhere but I think Chauster is the one that advocates that.
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On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way.
I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift.
Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat
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On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat
True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it.
Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird.
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On March 22 2012 16:20 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it. Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird.
if anyone is offended it is because he plays bad and then yells at his team for it and calls Xpecial a faggot.
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On March 22 2012 16:25 jadoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:20 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it. Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird. if anyone is offended it is because he plays bad and then yells at his team for it and calls Xpecial a faggot.
It's up to Xpecial to get offended about that. Getting offended on the behalf of someone else is stupid.
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It's more that people are outraged that he disrespects his teammates.
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According to SV Korean alistars are way better than American ones. Well guys, looks like we all need to work on alistar.
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If Regi doesnt change his attitude and change things up TSM is only going to get worse.
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On March 22 2012 16:29 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:25 jadoth wrote:On March 22 2012 16:20 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it. Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird. if anyone is offended it is because he plays bad and then yells at his team for it and calls Xpecial a faggot. It's up to Xpecial to get offended about that. Getting offended on the behalf of someone else is stupid.
THAT... is a slippery argument you don't want to start 
to answer the questions above - regi was never that good, he just plays a gambit all-in style, and people used to be a lot worse at the game, less consistent, make more mistakes that he could capitalize. now that other mids are tightening up their game, learning more champs, more matchups, making less mistakes, regi can't blow up their mistakes. meanwhile he hasn't actually improved his play, so he does what every lol player does and blames his teammates. though to be fair, i would have blamed TRM a ton too. it's only a matter of time before world-class players TOO, xpecial, and chaox go find another team without scumbag regi. idk where dyrus fits into this mess
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On March 22 2012 16:29 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:25 jadoth wrote:On March 22 2012 16:20 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it. Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird. if anyone is offended it is because he plays bad and then yells at his team for it and calls Xpecial a faggot. It's up to Xpecial to get offended about that. Getting offended on the behalf of someone else is stupid.
that attitude makes me despise him tho, which in turn biases me against everything he does, hence why I, personally, end up being more critical of his mistakes and indeed find myself rooting against TSM every once in awhile (which honestly is a bit unfair to the rest of TSM, but hey, I can't really control who I dislike). Players don't have to be the nicest people, but it isn't unreasonable to expect better manners from someone in his position.
I have no reason to believe that I speak for the majority tho, so in all honesty it's pretty inconsequential what my opinion of reginald is, but I guess his attitude has contributed to -1 potential fan, if that matters.
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Aside from not liking douchebagery (who does, really?) I mostly dislike reginalds attitude towards his team because it is really not helping them to progress as a team. TSM could be play way better than they currently are if just everyone focused on their own mistakes. Pointing out a mistake during a game isn't bad, but there's absolutely no point discussing it thoroughly during the damn game. Point it out, play the rest of the game, THEN talk about the mistakes during the game and how they could improve (individually and as a team).
I personally think Dyrus' way of improving is great. Write down all the dumb shit you do, read it a few times, try to make mind notes of how you should do next time you're in a similar position. If you remove all the small errors or bad habits one by one like that, you're bound to play a lot better, you'll simply make fewer mistakes.
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On March 22 2012 16:29 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 16:25 jadoth wrote:On March 22 2012 16:20 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 16:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On March 22 2012 16:02 Treadmill wrote:On March 22 2012 15:46 zodde wrote:On March 22 2012 15:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
Bring back WCG Reginald. =\ I didn't follow the LoL scene back then, so please fill me in on this. Has he gotten considerably worse or has the other players just gotten better? I find it strange that someone who plays a game this much could drop in actual skill (not relative skill). What did he get worse at specifically? Did he always act like a douche to his teammates (even when he was carrying hardcore)? He's not any worse. He's not particularily bad right now, eve. Just inconsistent - like he's always been. Really, really inconsistent. Flashes of brilliance and plays that are better than what all but a select few players can do, followed by trying those kinds of plays and failing spectacularly. What happened was everyone got bored with shitting all over TheRainMan and everything he does (plus it felt lousy after he left TSM) so they decided to start shitting all over Regi and everything he does. Just like people did with Jatt, Hotshot, Doublelift.... the LoL community can be a fickle bitch. Though it certainly doesn't help Reginald's cause that he has a personality that really rubs people (including me) entirely the wrong way. I honestly think it's partially due to jungle change/meta shift. Prior to jungle change, Regi's super aggressive playstyle was always inconsistent but TOO's support/babysit jungle helps to mask most of Regi's flaws by apply constant pressure to lanes. Now that jungle has been remade and the meta shifted, TOO's jungle style is simply much weaker and TOO can't afford to baby Regi nearly as much nor as well so all those flaws are more apparent/exploitable. At the same time, Regi is stubborn as heck and is basically forcing all of TSM to play to his tempo rather than adapting, which results in TSM losing against every competent team. TOO sucking -> Regi sucking -> TOO sucking -> repeat True. 100% true. Also Regi always has gone for the big game-changer plays, but now other people have gotten better at dealing with it and not dieing so he fails a bit more often. I think of his style as the LoL equivalent of 4-gating or something. I don't think that's a knock on him though, he's like mid-2011 Jang Min Chul, losing because he can't just get easy wins with cheese and better micro so he has to refine his standard play a bit. But talent behind it. Still, the community seems to focus less on "hey, this is the problem with Regi's playstyle" than on saying "hey look Regi made a mistake! And another one rofl he's so awful! Hey look another play that may have been the right decision but I personally disagree with it! What a scrub!" It's really annoying. To be fair the sc2 community does the exact same thing - also to be fair its not by any means everyone. I straight-up don't understand why people get so personally offended when a player they like, from any game, plays bad. Dissapointed, upset, even frustrated, sure. But getting offended about it is weird. if anyone is offended it is because he plays bad and then yells at his team for it and calls Xpecial a faggot. It's up to Xpecial to get offended about that. Getting offended on the behalf of someone else is stupid.
What an insulting statement. There's no "rule" prohibiting you from being upset/angry/etc. at the actions of someone just because the direct target of those actions either doesn't care or puts it behind them. It's good that Xpecial can be the bigger man, but it no way whatsoever absolves Reginald or makes him any less of a giant tool and a frequent ass.
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People including me mad at Reginald because he is bringing TSM - a great team down with him. If you watch TOO or Dyrus stream you can hear the dissapoinment in their voice over many Reginald decisions in game.
Like someone stated already, Reginald wants his team revolve around him, he dictates the tempo. But the problems are he is not someone that accept his own mistakes. If you don't see your own mistake, always blame shit on people. You are getting worse while others team getting better.
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