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On February 14 2012 02:57 BlasiuS wrote:
Hi, longtime TL member, first time LoL player. A few questions:
How do I get up to speed the fastest in LoL?
Is there a TL-equivalent site for LoL?
What basics should I work on first?
Are there any good non-champion-specific guides for new players I should know about?
What are some good champion choices for a newb like myself? Right now I play Ryze, since he seems nuke-ish, and being an undead player in WC3, nuking fits my style very well.
OP here, with an update. Let me share my newb wisdom so far. I'm still pretty newb, but I'm learning quickly. My account is level 13.
Here's a pretty good set of tips of what to do as a new player:
-First thing's first, play the tutorial, especially if you haven't played a MOBA game before. My first game was with a friend, and she didn't do well at explaining MOBA basics at all. I must have died 20+ times to towers my first game.
-Practice last-hitting first, it's the most important basic skill. More last-hits = more gold = better items = more last-hits (usually).
-Read all of these guides: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/game-play They cover the basics and also some intermediate aspects of the game.
-Get into a learning routine. Here's mine:
- Pick a completely new champion; there are a rotation of 10 new free champions each week
- Play a Co-op vs AI game against beginner-level* AI. Use the game to try out all the abilities, focus on last-hitting as much as possible
- Read the top MOBAfire guide for that champion. It will give a good basic outline of skill order, summoner spells, item build, runes, masteries, and playstyle. MOBAfire also has the great feature of being able to hover-over any item/mastery/rune/ability icon and immediately seeing an exact description of it's effect, including all statistics such as duration of stun/slow, exact damage, exact ratios, etc.
- Next, read the TL.net thread on your champion. Make sure to read the entire thread, sometimes the OP will be from multiple patches ago and might be out of date. It will usually, but not always, have generally better and more specific information on how to build and play your character.
- Play 2-3 normal blind pick games
*In my experience, while Intermediate provides much better challenges, the AI doesn't behave as real players would, and as a result, if you play poorly in the early game, you can get completely shut out of the game in the later levels, as the AI has a knack for ALWAYS targeting the weakest champion, and of course being AI they are immaculately coordinated, and will burst you almost instantly if you walk within range and have the lowest health
Repeat this routine for each of the 10 new champions. I think it's important for new players to try out all the champions, so that when you play against them, you know what they can do.
-Make sure to try out a jungler champion each week (I think Riot makes sure to include at least 1 jungler in the rotation each week, not 100% sure on this). Eventually you will want to learn the jungle, so don't neglect this! At lower-level normal games, many people don't jungle at all. Having constant blue/red buffs on your team when the enemy team doesn't is a huge advantage.
-save your IP for tier 3 runes. I'm still level 13 so I can't buy any, but I have over 7k IP saved up, and when I hit level 20, I'll probably be able to buy a full rune page for my favorite champ (or champ type). Chances are, by the time you reach level 20, you'll at least have an idea of what type of champ you like to play (melee/raned, AP, AD, tank, support, jungler), and you can begin buying T3 runes for that type.
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Thanks for the notes, it sets up a good starting point for new players like me. I am thinking about switching over to LoL from HoN since LoL seems to be really popular and I am kinda sick with the HoN heroes. The only problem was that I have a mac, so it was difficult trying to find a client for the game. I think I found one on reddit, so I will probably try to download it tonight.
Can anyone tell me what the big differences are between HoN and LoL? I tried to use the search function, but I could not seem to find anything on the subject..
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On March 10 2012 04:27 Sargas.DT wrote:
Thanks for the notes, it sets up a good starting point for new players like me. I am thinking about switching over to LoL from HoN since LoL seems to be really popular and I am kinda sick with the HoN heroes. The only problem was that I have a mac, so it was difficult trying to find a client for the game. I think I found one on reddit, so I will probably try to download it tonight.
Can anyone tell me what the big differences are between HoN and LoL? I tried to use the search function, but I could not seem to find anything on the subject..
Have you ever played HoN on Casual Mode? It's kind of like that. You don't lose money when you die, you don't have homecoming stones or runes, you gain a TON of money from hero kills and less money from creep kills, your mana regens like you always have mana potions, no buy backs, heroes have unique roles (other than carry/support). You have out of game items called runes and masteries? that boost your stats in game.
The game is very different~. I started with LoL first and it is super newb friendly so just start playing it at unranked blind pick. It's really easy to play even if you have no clue whats going on (at low unranked levels).
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On March 10 2012 04:35 justinpal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2012 04:27 Sargas.DT wrote:
Thanks for the notes, it sets up a good starting point for new players like me. I am thinking about switching over to LoL from HoN since LoL seems to be really popular and I am kinda sick with the HoN heroes. The only problem was that I have a mac, so it was difficult trying to find a client for the game. I think I found one on reddit, so I will probably try to download it tonight.
Can anyone tell me what the big differences are between HoN and LoL? I tried to use the search function, but I could not seem to find anything on the subject.. Have you ever played HoN on Casual Mode? It's kind of like that. You don't lose money when you die, you don't have homecoming stones or runes, you gain a TON of money from hero kills and less money from creep kills, your mana regens like you always have mana potions, no buy backs, heroes have unique roles (other than carry/support). You have out of game items called runes and masteries? that boost your stats in game. The game is very different~. I started with LoL first and it is super newb friendly so just start playing it at unranked blind pick. It's really easy to play even if you have no clue whats going on (at low unranked levels).
Thanks! It sounds pretty relaxed and interesting. Last time I played HoN I raged and uninstalled it right after I lost lol.
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So, im spanish and i play in a english server, so i have a few questions about vocabulary.
What means, feeder, bot mia, laning
is there another word like those that i should learn?
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On March 11 2012 22:44 NeoGeoOdin wrote:
So, im spanish and i play in a english server, so i have a few questions about vocabulary.
What means, feeder, bot mia, laning
is there another word like those that i should learn?
bot mia = someone in the bottom lane is missing so take care they might gank you if you are middle for example
feeder = someone who constantly gives kills to the other team (dont know if thats the common definition of feeder)
laning = just farming minions in your lane (middle, top, bottom)
gank = someone is coming from an other lane (or jungle) to help kill the opposing laner
ss (miss) is the same as mia
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other words that come in handy:
freeze: keeping the minion wave at a certain location mostly through tanking ranged creeps.
reset: pushing a lane that is near to the enemy turret at the right time resets the wave position.
facecheck: walking into an area (mostly brush) which you dont see. (bad)
dive: attacking in enemy turret range. mostly initiated by a tank.
counterwarding: clearing enemy wards with pinks or oracles.
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the last 15 normal games or so i've got the following problem.
i join a game and my teammates instantly declare something like "solo top", "mid", "ad carry bot" and lock their champions so me and some other poor guy then need to decide who plays support or jungle.
jungle seems pretty interesting, but from what i understand you need runes for it, which i don't have yet and/or a good leash (good luck with that at my level). so if i take jungle i need to do wolves, wraiths, double golems until i level up a few times and will be behind in gold/xp, so no ganks from me of course.
no ganks from jungle means teammates get angry and i get flamed.
and support feels just so useless at normal games. you have no gold, no items, no influence (because my ad carry most of the time is as clueless as i am). i hate feeling useless.
of course i could just ignore the meta and choose another ad carry champion or bruiser, but i don't want to get flamed and reported.
any ideas would be very helpful. thanks in advance.
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On March 12 2012 04:15 shrinkmaster wrote:
the last 15 normal games or so i've got the following problem.
i join a game and my teammates instantly declare something like "solo top", "mid", "ad carry bot" and lock their champions so me and some other poor guy then need to decide who plays support or jungle.
jungle seems pretty interesting, but from what i understand you need runes for it, which i don't have yet and/or a good leash (good luck with that at my level). so if i take jungle i need to do wolves, wraiths, double golems until i level up a few times and will be behind in gold/xp, so no ganks from me of course.
no ganks from jungle means teammates get angry and i get flamed.
and support feels just so useless at normal games. you have no gold, no items, no influence (because my ad carry most of the time is as clueless as i am). i hate feeling useless.
of course i could just ignore the meta and choose another ad carry champion or bruiser, but i don't want to get flamed and reported.
any ideas would be very helpful. thanks in advance.
There are several junglers that you can run without a full runepage or masteries. Warwick is a good jungler that doesn't need runes or masteries. Same goes for amumu. As support you would want to play one that is good at making up the mistakes of your carry. Janna is the best example, Alistar is second best at that. A good tornado or a good headbutt+pulverize combo can net you a kill.
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On March 12 2012 04:15 shrinkmaster wrote:
the last 15 normal games or so i've got the following problem.
i join a game and my teammates instantly declare something like "solo top", "mid", "ad carry bot" and lock their champions so me and some other poor guy then need to decide who plays support or jungle.
jungle seems pretty interesting, but from what i understand you need runes for it, which i don't have yet and/or a good leash (good luck with that at my level). so if i take jungle i need to do wolves, wraiths, double golems until i level up a few times and will be behind in gold/xp, so no ganks from me of course.
no ganks from jungle means teammates get angry and i get flamed.
and support feels just so useless at normal games. you have no gold, no items, no influence (because my ad carry most of the time is as clueless as i am). i hate feeling useless.
of course i could just ignore the meta and choose another ad carry champion or bruiser, but i don't want to get flamed and reported.
any ideas would be very helpful. thanks in advance.
you can't get reported for not picking what ppl play in tournaments. Well you can but neither the tribunal nor riot will support that. If I where you I would pick a support that scales better with items so you can still get a bit of CS or kills without worrying. Alistar does well with a sheen and some tank items or even triforce. Then you can get leona or nunu because their abilties have a huge impact and they just feel strong compared to other supports. Alot of strong ap carries work well bottom with a ranged AD carry as well and if you want to play a bruiser then take one of these: wukong, fiora, panth mb jax, gp.
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Doctorbeat wrote:
There are several junglers that you can run without a full runepage or masteries. Warwick is a good jungler that doesn't need runes or masteries. Same goes for amumu. As support you would want to play one that is good at making up the mistakes of your carry. Janna is the best example, Alistar is second best at that. A good tornado or a good headbutt+pulverize combo can net you a kill.
So WW and Amumu can start blue without runes/masteries and leash? If not what would be an acceptable route for WW to start jungle.
Thanks for the supporter suggestions, will try those out, when they are free.
clickrush wrote:
you can't get reported for not picking what ppl play in tournaments. Well you can but neither the tribunal nor riot will support that.
I can't get banned for such things? That would be great, because i read a lot of horror stories about tribunal on the official forums. Some people said that most tribunal voters just spam guilty, to make a lot of votes and to get more rewards.
clickrush wrote:
Then you can get leona or nunu because their abilties have a huge impact and they just feel strong compared to other supports. Alot of strong ap carries work well bottom with a ranged AD carry as well and if you want to play a bruiser then take one of these: wukong, fiora, panth mb jax, gp.
Thanks i will try out Nunu support bottom. And Gankplank is one of my favorite champions. Panth = Pantheon, but Mb=?
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I think mb = maybe.
I am not sure amumu/WW can jungle without runes and masteries and without a pull. The good news is you can create a custom game and try that on your own.
I remember an old video by stonewall in the old jungle where he would jungle Trundle without any runes and masteries and still do it safely. It should be even easier in the new jungle. Trundle is not a popular jungler though.
I don't think it's a good idea to try ito jungle before level 20 and t3 runes because even if you can clear the jungle without dying, it will be slow so you'll get really underleveled which isn't good, and makes gaking harder. Duo top would still be more effective.
I second the idea of playing alistar/janna as support. I played a lot on Janna before I reached level 30 and she offers a lot of utility in fights to secure kills or save your teammates. Both will remain top choices as support as you become more experienced.
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You can jungle with ww without runes and low mastery.
You can convince someone on your team to leash. I've been doing it at low levels fine.
Start with w, not q. If you're uncomfortable get cloth +5, but you can do boots +3.
The larger issue is that many times the other team will not jungle and then one of your lanes is 2v1. This is okay if you jungle and gank well and he plays defensively. Odds are that none of those things will happen so it can be very frustrating.
Hell, you can probably just double any lane at lower levels. I see it from almost every team, every game. If someone complains just hit tab and mute them.
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On March 12 2012 05:44 NpG)Explosive wrote:
I think mb = maybe.
I am not sure amumu/WW can jungle without runes and masteries and without a pull. The good news is you can create a custom game and try that on your own.
I remember an old video by stonewall in the old jungle where he would jungle Trundle without any runes and masteries and still do it safely. It should be even easier in the new jungle. Trundle is not a popular jungler though.
I don't think it's a good idea to try ito jungle before level 20 and t3 runes because even if you can clear the jungle without dying, it will be slow so you'll get really underleveled which isn't good, and makes gaking harder. Duo top would still be more effective.
I second the idea of playing alistar/janna as support. I played a lot on Janna before I reached level 30 and she offers a lot of utility in fights to secure kills or save your teammates. Both will remain top choices as support as you become more experienced.
I can guarantee you can Jungle Malphite without masteries/runes/leash. I did it on a smurf when he was free like two~ weeks ago. I'd say Trundle definitely can as well.
I just tested it on Warwick, and with Boots+3 it impossible, with longsword+1 you get down to like 40 HP (so imo, not possible), and with Cloth+5 it is pretty darn safe. I only dropped to about 200, so you could still get ganked but it wasn't too bad. If you worried about getting ganked you could grab Heal as your second summoner and you should be able to do it no problem, but personally I'd stick with Smite+flash(or exhaust if you super aggro... but I'd stick with flash for low level).
Uhh, other than that maybe Shaco? I'ma go test it now.
EDIT: LOL, Shaco is super safe. Just get boxes first get four where blue spawns before he does. I literally took zero damage from Blue. You could probably go boots+3 and start red if you really wanted (I wouldn't reccomend it for low level jungling though... blue safer and easier)... time to replace the flat armor runes on my Shaco runepage. rofl.
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On March 12 2012 05:44 NpG)Explosive wrote:
I think mb = maybe.
Dooh, i'm soo stupid.
I am not sure amumu/WW can jungle without runes and masteries and without a pull. The good news is you can create a custom game and try that on your own.
will do that thanks.
I don't think it's a good idea to try ito jungle before level 20 and t3 runes because even if you can clear the jungle without dying, it will be slow so you'll get really underleveled which isn't good, and makes gaking harder. Duo top would still be more effective.
That's exactly what i'm afraid off. Because i think that at level 20 i will be expected to have at least a clue about jungleling and not someone who does it for the first time.
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On March 12 2012 06:06 iCanada wrote:
I can guarantee you can Jungle Malphite without masteries/runes/leash. I did it on a smurf when he was free like two~ weeks ago. I'd say Trundle definitely can as well.
I just tested it on Warwick, and with Boots+3 it impossible, with longsword+1 you get down to like 40 HP (so imo, not possible), and with Cloth+5 it is pretty darn safe. I only dropped to about 200, so you could still get ganked but it wasn't too bad. If you worried about getting ganked you could grab Heal as your second summoner and you should be able to do it no problem, but personally I'd stick with Smite+flash(or exhaust if you super aggro... but I'd stick with flash for low level).
Uhh, other than that maybe Shaco? I'ma go test it now.
EDIT: LOL, Shaco is super safe. Just get boxes first get four where blue spawns before he does. I literally took zero damage from Blue. You could probably go boots+3 and start red if you really wanted (I wouldn't reccomend it for low level jungling though... blue safer and easier)... time to replace the flat armor runes on my Shaco runepage. rofl.
very helpful. thanks a lot for spending your time to help me.
EDIT 2
so i did a few custom runs with the champions available to me. No runes, 10 mastery points, cloth and hpx5, smite:
dr. mundo blue first possible
shaco very easy blue first
master yi blue first possible but low hp after complete route even with smite/heal
nunu blue first possible
shen blue first possible
warwick blue first possible
maybe another newbie, like me, finds this helpful.
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If I just want to try out a quick jungle route, what's the best way to do that?
custom game with 4 other bots + me?
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On March 13 2012 05:17 BlasiuS wrote:
If I just want to try out a quick jungle route, what's the best way to do that?
custom game with 4 other bots + me?
I do it all alone in a custom game, me with my lonesome. No bots needed, you just testing a route. IF you want to test a route, grab heal and flash and then use heal when you low... you usually have about as much health after heal as you would with a good leash.
In general I'd reccomend wolves->blue(smite)->wraiths->wolves->red(smite) as the go to route because it gives you safe early game, easy farming with early blue, and a level 4 gank opportunity after you finish red. If you getting low before red, you can back and buy boots then do red which will make your gank stronger as you have more HP and run fast.
^_^
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What exactly is autocast?
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On March 13 2012 06:13 goal 888 wrote:
What exactly is autocast?
i don't know anything about autocast, but maybe you mean smartcast?
smartcast means that the ability you selected gets casted at the current cursor position. without smartcast you cast the ability, then need to choose your target. smartcast skips the targeting and defines your current cursor position as target.
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