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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 14 2012 12:19 GMT
#121
I bought my first champion today, i played some on champions that were free and got to level 10 prity soon. But i wanne stick with one champ like is suggested here and focus on him soley. I bought Vladimir, read alot about him before and he seems to fit my playstyle.

Now i have some money left, and was wondering about the skins, why is 1 double the amount of the others ? Is it so much more special ?
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 14 2012 13:16 GMT
#122
Yeah, it's legendary which means it has different animations. In game the behavior is the same though.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9777 Posts
March 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#123
Get Marquis Vlad, so much better than the legendary imo
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 14 2012 18:34 GMT
#124
If you just read the posts in this sub-section general thread, it can get incredibly confusing because we tend to discuss in depth about very specific things i.e Discussing the effectiveness of GP5 items. You should start posts of your own in the thread, asking questions and discussions if your a new player its much better instead of just reading things you kinda dont understand
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
scredditFTW
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada7 Posts
March 14 2012 18:37 GMT
#125
On February 14 2012 02:57 BlasiuS wrote:
Hi, longtime TL member, first time LoL player. A few questions:

How do I get up to speed the fastest in LoL?


Start with HoN. 100% serious here.
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
March 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#126
On March 15 2012 03:37 scredditFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 02:57 BlasiuS wrote:
Hi, longtime TL member, first time LoL player. A few questions:

How do I get up to speed the fastest in LoL?


Start with HoN. 100% serious here.

What? Why would you do that lol, HoN and LoL are different games and its (in my opinion) more rage inducing with kids shouting at you through the mic and vote kicks and rage quitters
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
scredditFTW
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada7 Posts
March 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#127
On March 15 2012 03:40 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 03:37 scredditFTW wrote:
On February 14 2012 02:57 BlasiuS wrote:
Hi, longtime TL member, first time LoL player. A few questions:

How do I get up to speed the fastest in LoL?


Start with HoN. 100% serious here.

What? Why would you do that lol, HoN and LoL are different games and its (in my opinion) more rage inducing with kids shouting at you through the mic and vote kicks and rage quitters


You'll die a lot, you'll lose a lot, you'll get shit talked and you'll get raged non-stop.

Then you'll come out a true man.
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
March 15 2012 22:42 GMT
#128
ok after i have found a champion i can jungle with even without runes i have a new problem.

i've choosen warwick as my jungle champion. speed is bad, but he is save and lategame he becomes a true beast imho

i feel that warwick is really bad at ganking before lvl 6 if you can't coordinate with the lane player and/or lane champ has no cc.
so i have fallen into the habit to delay ganking till lvl 6.
the plan is:
"farm mode" till lvl 6 and then i should become more aggressive with my ult
but the problem is even @lvl6 i can't force myself to find good ganking opportunities. i somehow always find some reasons to delay ganking and keep farming.
of course my teammates aren't happy about this because there is always someone screaming "need gank".

is there a way to improve my aggressiveness, because i feel that i never become a great jungler if i can't find the right time to gank.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 15 2012 22:57 GMT
#129
On March 16 2012 07:42 shrinkmaster wrote:
ok after i have found a champion i can jungle with even without runes i have a new problem.

i've choosen warwick as my jungle champion. speed is bad, but he is save and lategame he becomes a true beast imho

i feel that warwick is really bad at ganking before lvl 6 if you can't coordinate with the lane player and/or lane champ has no cc.
so i have fallen into the habit to delay ganking till lvl 6.
the plan is:
"farm mode" till lvl 6 and then i should become more aggressive with my ult
but the problem is even @lvl6 i can't force myself to find good ganking opportunities. i somehow always find some reasons to delay ganking and keep farming.
of course my teammates aren't happy about this because there is always someone screaming "need gank".

is there a way to improve my aggressiveness, because i feel that i never become a great jungler if i can't find the right time to gank.


it takes time to get in sync with jungling
first priority should be runes though
just mass games until you can afford arpen reds, 3 AD reds, AD quints, armor yellows

this will greatly speed up your jungle times
then you just need to keep an eye out for when ganks are available. is your top lane pushing hard into their tower so he can back to buy? good, take another 2 camps and watch as top lane pushes back towards you. now you can gank with your top laner. mid lane going to gank somewhere? follow him, but now you can't gank mid for a while - enemy will push to his tower and by the time he's back, mid will be pushing back. bad time to gank.

you just learn these things as you play more
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 23:07:32
March 15 2012 23:04 GMT
#130
On March 16 2012 07:42 shrinkmaster wrote:
ok after i have found a champion i can jungle with even without runes i have a new problem.

i've choosen warwick as my jungle champion. speed is bad, but he is save and lategame he becomes a true beast imho

i feel that warwick is really bad at ganking before lvl 6 if you can't coordinate with the lane player and/or lane champ has no cc.
so i have fallen into the habit to delay ganking till lvl 6.
the plan is:
"farm mode" till lvl 6 and then i should become more aggressive with my ult
but the problem is even @lvl6 i can't force myself to find good ganking opportunities. i somehow always find some reasons to delay ganking and keep farming.
of course my teammates aren't happy about this because there is always someone screaming "need gank".

is there a way to improve my aggressiveness, because i feel that i never become a great jungler if i can't find the right time to gank.


Just get exhaust instead of flash. It'll improve your ganks pre6. Don't waste exhaust though, it has a hefty cooldown. Check the summoners of whomever you're ganking. It's harder to gank a trist with flash and cleanse than it is to gank the support with heal clarity because trist can just jump flash away. Coordinate with your team, tell them who to kill, and if necessary have them engage first.. this is something I need to work on doing.

As for not having flash.... it is useful for escaping over walls and positioning for fights and from escaping ganks and quickly catching someone by surprise with your ult, but that's a cost you'll have to make.
Items that help with ganking are bilgewater cutlass and phage, though no one recommends bilgewater.

I'm not very good so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I found using bilgewater and exhaust helped with my WW ganks a lot during his free week last week ^_^
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
March 15 2012 23:40 GMT
#131
Does anyone know a stream of a pro player who plays Vayne, Fiora or support Sona? I'm a newb and I don't know the good teams or players.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 16 2012 00:04 GMT
#132
On March 16 2012 08:40 Celestia wrote:
Does anyone know a stream of a pro player who plays Vayne, Fiora or support Sona? I'm a newb and I don't know the good teams or players.


I don't know the EU scene that well so I'm sure there are more suggestions.

Doublelift (CLG.na) plays a pretty good Vayne, but he's in Korea right now for a tournament so he might not be able to stream as much.

Not that many people play Fiora competitively yet since she's so new. But here are 2 VODs after searching on own3d
Xpecial (TSM) soloing and Snoopeh (CLG.eu) jungling Fiora.

Xpecial and L0CUST (Dignitas) play Sona pretty well when they picked her a few tournaments ago. Not really sure who still consistently picks Sona after her nerf.
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shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
March 16 2012 00:12 GMT
#133
i think wickd played fiora a few times in soloq on his stream. should be on the vod section of his stream page.
can't assess how good he is with her though.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 00:16:54
March 16 2012 00:13 GMT
#134
On March 16 2012 09:04 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 08:40 Celestia wrote:
Does anyone know a stream of a pro player who plays Vayne, Fiora or support Sona? I'm a newb and I don't know the good teams or players.


I don't know the EU scene that well so I'm sure there are more suggestions.

Doublelift (CLG.na) plays a pretty good Vayne, but he's in Korea right now for a tournament so he might not be able to stream as much.

Not that many people play Fiora competitively yet since she's so new. But here are 2 VODs after searching on own3d
Xpecial (TSM) soloing and Snoopeh (CLG.eu) jungling Fiora.

Xpecial and L0CUST (Dignitas) play Sona pretty well when they picked her a few tournaments ago. Not really sure who still consistently picks Sona after her nerf.

On March 16 2012 09:12 shrinkmaster wrote:
i think wickd played fiora a few times in soloq on his stream. should be on the vod section of his stream page.
can't assess how good he is with her though.

Thx .
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
March 16 2012 15:51 GMT
#135
On March 16 2012 07:42 shrinkmaster wrote:
ok after i have found a champion i can jungle with even without runes i have a new problem.

i've choosen warwick as my jungle champion. speed is bad, but he is save and lategame he becomes a true beast imho

i feel that warwick is really bad at ganking before lvl 6 if you can't coordinate with the lane player and/or lane champ has no cc.
so i have fallen into the habit to delay ganking till lvl 6.
the plan is:
"farm mode" till lvl 6 and then i should become more aggressive with my ult
but the problem is even @lvl6 i can't force myself to find good ganking opportunities. i somehow always find some reasons to delay ganking and keep farming.
of course my teammates aren't happy about this because there is always someone screaming "need gank".

is there a way to improve my aggressiveness, because i feel that i never become a great jungler if i can't find the right time to gank.


I played WW a bunch last week, here's my thoughts:

Don't gank pre-6 unless you have red buff. Even then, only gank people past the middle of their lane and have ~50% or less health. Priority to solo top and mid champs, especially champs who easily push their lane (i.e. someone like Mordekaiser).

If people are asking for a gank when they're just poking back and forth with their opponent and they're both near-full health, just ignore them.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 16 2012 15:54 GMT
#136
On March 16 2012 07:42 shrinkmaster wrote:
ok after i have found a champion i can jungle with even without runes i have a new problem.

i've choosen warwick as my jungle champion. speed is bad, but he is save and lategame he becomes a true beast imho

i feel that warwick is really bad at ganking before lvl 6 if you can't coordinate with the lane player and/or lane champ has no cc.
so i have fallen into the habit to delay ganking till lvl 6.
the plan is:
"farm mode" till lvl 6 and then i should become more aggressive with my ult
but the problem is even @lvl6 i can't force myself to find good ganking opportunities. i somehow always find some reasons to delay ganking and keep farming.
of course my teammates aren't happy about this because there is always someone screaming "need gank".

is there a way to improve my aggressiveness, because i feel that i never become a great jungler if i can't find the right time to gank.

gank on every ult CD with WW past 6. especially if you're hanging your team out to dry pre-6, you have to just make yourself gank every time it's up, otherwise you're pissing away your strongest midgame attribute.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
March 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#137
Are there certain champs that suffer greatly from not being high-level? It seems very hard to use, for example, Veigar, since he runs out of mana so quickly, and I don't have the runes/masteries to help out his mana problems early game.

I'm only level 18, don't even have any T3 runes yet, can't go all the way down any of the 3 mastery trees, I only have one quint spot

What are some good champs to use when you're low-level?
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 20 2012 19:39 GMT
#138
On March 21 2012 04:21 BlasiuS wrote:
Are there certain champs that suffer greatly from not being high-level? It seems very hard to use, for example, Veigar, since he runs out of mana so quickly, and I don't have the runes/masteries to help out his mana problems early game.

I'm only level 18, don't even have any T3 runes yet, can't go all the way down any of the 3 mastery trees, I only have one quint spot

What are some good champs to use when you're low-level?


The only champs that are really poor with no runes are the non ultra sustained junglers. Veigar should really be fine to play, just know that you should be very careful in your usage of his W and E early, as W wastes last hits you could be getting with Q, and E has long cooldown so you should save it for escaping of securing a kill.

When you have few mastery points getting the Meditation perk in utility for the extra 3mp5 is really strong and I would do it on every champ that needs mana, it will help you alot more than like 3 ap from offense at this stage. Also buff duration is very good value for one point if you can get blues.

Dont be afraid of getting way more mana regen items than guides say, as they are many times written with the idea that you will be getting all the blues. Getting 3 drings or chalice or Philo or some combination thereof is really good, there is a big difference in being able to use your skills and not. Also in lower level play its better to be more spammy, as opponents will give you lots of good opportunities to trade or hit them with spells, whereas in high level people know the matchups better and you end up using much less mana as they give you much fewer opportunities to combo them and come out ontop. For example when I play Viktor at low level people will constantly come into range with all their skills on cooldown, and I need mana to be able to punish them everytime, lower level players are also more prone to stay in lane when low, so you can harass more and still get kills as opposed to surprising them from alot of health. Against better player I wont have barely any good opportunities to hit them with my Q.

So build alot of mana regen.
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
March 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#139
Going to pick up Nocturne this week anybody can help me figure out how to jungle?

Is there a certain pattern of creep I should attack at a certain timing or general rules of thumb every jungler should learn and apply? Thanks.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
March 21 2012 01:24 GMT
#140
On March 21 2012 09:24 sung_moon wrote:
Going to pick up Nocturne this week anybody can help me figure out how to jungle?

Is there a certain pattern of creep I should attack at a certain timing or general rules of thumb every jungler should learn and apply? Thanks.

Generally speaking, most junglers start wolves->blue. After that, it's all about specifics. Some, like J4, like to gank directly after that, others go for the rest of their jungle, wraiths->golems->red buff. You should generally be trying to clear every camp as often as possible as quickly as possible after it respawns. You need to get that farm in order not to fall behind. Attempt ganks when enemy lanes are pushed, your lanes bring great CC to the table and/or you have a key CD up (Warwick Ult comes to mind)

For Nocturne, the safest start is Cloth+5. You will want to do wolves (have your teammates help you), blue buff (have your teammates leash for you), wraiths, double golems, red buff. If the situation arises, gank after that, if not, go back and buy boots. After that, it's very situational - generally you'll look for ganks while jungling, trying to reach 6 asap to take advantage of your ultimate.

Also, here's a pretty decent guide to the kid.
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