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Delicious.Cake
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany74 Posts
January 05 2012 23:43 GMT
#1601
Wow TRM's Kennen is aweful...
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#1602
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.
The legend of Darien lives on
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 05 2012 23:44 GMT
#1603
On January 06 2012 08:41 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:39 TheKefka wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:27 daemir wrote:
Yup, over 40k people watching this scrim. On other news, the Homestory cup for sc2 is going on and has ~33kish viewers.
Real

33 k was on one stream tho.

its not a contest.

Erm,didn't say it was a contest just saying that one stream had 33 k and not overall.
Cackle™
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 05 2012 23:45 GMT
#1604
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?
currently rooting for myself.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 05 2012 23:47 GMT
#1605
On January 06 2012 07:53 Alzadar wrote:
This a somewhat belated reply, but I remember someone saying earlier in the thread that Gold per 10 quintessences were the standard for supports. Why is that? They seem pretty god-damn awful if you look at gold value, and I would only consider them if the alternative was not having enough gold to buy wards (which isn't the case).

Philosopher Stone gives 5 gp10, 3 hp5 and 5mp5 for 185g, making the gold per 10 portion essentially free, since the other stats are more than worth 185g.
Heart of Gold gives 5 gp10, 70hp for 350g, so the gold per 10 portion costs 165g.
Avarice Blade gives 5 gp10, 4% crit for 350g, so the gold per 10 portion costs 150g.
Lucky Pick gives 5 gp10, 5 AP for 330g, so the gold per 10 portion is about 280g.

So on average a single point in the gold/10 stats costs only 30 gold. How the hell is that worth a quintessence slot? Armor quints by comparison are worth 75g, AP quints are 107.

Ignoring that for a minute, with the gold quints, it takes until the 17 minute mark to afford to buy as much Armor as you could have had from the very beginning with Armor quints. Given that lanes are generally decided in that 17 minutes, it seems the height of foolishness to make such an investment.


You're looking at this the wrong way. Ignore gold values and how much it would cost a player to purchase the equivalent amount of Armor/AP because that's largely irrelevant. Supports are primarily concerned with finishing their critical items as fast as possible in an environment where they are guaranteed nothing outside of a passive 84g/min (96 with full greed).

In that situation gp10 Quints effectively increase your gold income by 20%. It doesn't matter that Armor or AP is technically worth more because you can't build the Armor or AP into the critical items you're aiming for.

That's not to say that gp10 are irreplaceable, just that they're very strong in a situation where your early game is largely going to be punctuated by never CSing.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
January 05 2012 23:50 GMT
#1606
On January 06 2012 08:44 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:41 Treadmill wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:39 TheKefka wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:27 daemir wrote:
Yup, over 40k people watching this scrim. On other news, the Homestory cup for sc2 is going on and has ~33kish viewers.
Real

33 k was on one stream tho.

its not a contest.

Erm,didn't say it was a contest just saying that one stream had 33 k and not overall.

Sorry, that's true. Just trying to forestall any of the nonsense that people far too often get into.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 05 2012 23:51 GMT
#1607
Talking about Kennen not being a good pick.

Really wasn't. Whenever RM ults, they just disable the fuck out of him to basically nullfiy the ult.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
January 05 2012 23:54 GMT
#1608
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?

His Cassio build is just so funny though :o

WotA, revolver, spirit visage, abysall, Giants belt. Unfriggin killable.
The legend of Darien lives on
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 23:57:06
January 05 2012 23:55 GMT
#1609
On January 06 2012 08:51 Cloud9157 wrote:
Talking about Kennen not being a good pick.

Really wasn't. Whenever RM ults, they just disable the fuck out of him to basically nullfiy the ult.

A big part of that is that TRM plays a horrible Kennen in the first place.

On January 06 2012 08:54 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?

His Cassio build is just so funny though :o

WotA, revolver, spirit visage, abysall, Giants belt. Unfriggin killable.



I agree, and honestly, it is really smart against this team. IF they survive Rainman R / Regi Burst / Chaox QR, they are going to win a teamfight almost no matter what. With that amount of health and MR, Chaox is the only one who could touch him at this point and he'd just get kited / disabled to death.

So yeah. Really don't like Ocelote as a person, but he plays almost flawlessly this game.
currently rooting for myself.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 06 2012 00:00 GMT
#1610
Jungle singed and TRM kennen bad picks :\

That and that one dragon fight were regi was in dragon cave for some reason gettin picked off instantly helped SK snowball.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
January 06 2012 00:02 GMT
#1611
LB was a bad pick.

LB and Kennen do not belong on the same team :/ and they picked Kennen first.

Jungle singed was horrible though. OddOne didn't gank a single time in the first 15 minutes and Maokai ganked everywhere while farming equally.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
January 06 2012 00:02 GMT
#1612
Dunno why TOO is trying to force jungle Singed.

Regi is right, he just can't gank pre 6.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 06 2012 00:03 GMT
#1613
He can gank, but oddone was just behind and I dunno why he wastes all his mana on small camps. You really don't need to let many ticks of poison off, he just ran himself oom on the first clear.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 06 2012 00:04 GMT
#1614
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?

I am guessing you are basing you opinion on solo q / team q games though.
Ocelote is one of these players that plays his best in important games and doesnt focus in solo q.
Off-season = best season
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 06 2012 00:04 GMT
#1615
Wow, I found my engages with Mao shurelya/ghost pretty scary, but that Shurelya+Sivir ult...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 06 2012 00:05 GMT
#1616
On January 06 2012 09:02 tobi9999 wrote:
LB was a bad pick.

LB and Kennen do not belong on the same team :/ and they picked Kennen first.

Jungle singed was horrible though. OddOne didn't gank a single time in the first 15 minutes and Maokai ganked everywhere while farming equally.

LB and kennen can actually work quite well. Kennen takes all the threat off of lb and his ult forces the enemy team to separate: which is exactly what lb wants in order to kill people.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#1617
Can someone link me the stream ? Seems interesting.

Also, I just made a 3v3 ranked team with some friend, rolled around randoms people, but who do you ban in 3v3 ? we had no ideas.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 00:21:54
January 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#1618
On January 06 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?

I am guessing you are basing you opinion on solo q / team q games though.
Ocelote is one of these players that plays his best in important games and doesnt focus in solo q.

Mostly, yes. I remember some odd plays from him in tournament matches, too, though. Banshee's first Anivia comes to mind.

I'm by no means saying he is a bad player, I don't think he's the most consistent one, though.

On January 06 2012 09:20 WhiteDog wrote:
Can someone link me the stream ? Seems interesting.

Also, I just made a 3v3 ranked team with some friend, rolled around randoms people, but who do you ban in 3v3 ? we had no ideas.


http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=74

They finished now, though. They'll scrim empire&SK tomorrow, though.
currently rooting for myself.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 06 2012 00:25 GMT
#1619
I kinda like it when TSM loses scrims because when they're not yelling at specific people (usually TRM) they actually have some pretty insightful discussions x]
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
January 06 2012 00:27 GMT
#1620
On January 06 2012 09:20 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 09:04 Redox wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote:
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote:
Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio.

Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased.

Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw?

I am guessing you are basing you opinion on solo q / team q games though.
Ocelote is one of these players that plays his best in important games and doesnt focus in solo q.

Mostly, yes. I remember some odd plays from him in tournament matches, too, though. Banshee's first Anivia comes to mind.

I'm by no means saying he is a bad player, I don't think he's the most consistent one, though.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 09:20 WhiteDog wrote:
Can someone link me the stream ? Seems interesting.

Also, I just made a 3v3 ranked team with some friend, rolled around randoms people, but who do you ban in 3v3 ? we had no ideas.


http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=74

They finished now, though. They'll scrim empire&SK tomorrow, though.

Thanks bud !
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
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