EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 81
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Delicious.Cake
Germany74 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Erm,didn't say it was a contest just saying that one stream had 33 k and not overall. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:44 mr_tolkien wrote: Cassiocelote too good. I don't see TSM winning if Oce has Cassio. Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased. Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 06 2012 07:53 Alzadar wrote: This a somewhat belated reply, but I remember someone saying earlier in the thread that Gold per 10 quintessences were the standard for supports. Why is that? They seem pretty god-damn awful if you look at gold value, and I would only consider them if the alternative was not having enough gold to buy wards (which isn't the case). Philosopher Stone gives 5 gp10, 3 hp5 and 5mp5 for 185g, making the gold per 10 portion essentially free, since the other stats are more than worth 185g. Heart of Gold gives 5 gp10, 70hp for 350g, so the gold per 10 portion costs 165g. Avarice Blade gives 5 gp10, 4% crit for 350g, so the gold per 10 portion costs 150g. Lucky Pick gives 5 gp10, 5 AP for 330g, so the gold per 10 portion is about 280g. So on average a single point in the gold/10 stats costs only 30 gold. How the hell is that worth a quintessence slot? Armor quints by comparison are worth 75g, AP quints are 107. Ignoring that for a minute, with the gold quints, it takes until the 17 minute mark to afford to buy as much Armor as you could have had from the very beginning with Armor quints. Given that lanes are generally decided in that 17 minutes, it seems the height of foolishness to make such an investment. You're looking at this the wrong way. Ignore gold values and how much it would cost a player to purchase the equivalent amount of Armor/AP because that's largely irrelevant. Supports are primarily concerned with finishing their critical items as fast as possible in an environment where they are guaranteed nothing outside of a passive 84g/min (96 with full greed). In that situation gp10 Quints effectively increase your gold income by 20%. It doesn't matter that Armor or AP is technically worth more because you can't build the Armor or AP into the critical items you're aiming for. That's not to say that gp10 are irreplaceable, just that they're very strong in a situation where your early game is largely going to be punctuated by never CSing. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:44 TheKefka wrote: Erm,didn't say it was a contest just saying that one stream had 33 k and not overall. Sorry, that's true. Just trying to forestall any of the nonsense that people far too often get into. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Really wasn't. Whenever RM ults, they just disable the fuck out of him to basically nullfiy the ult. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote: Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased. Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw? His Cassio build is just so funny though :o WotA, revolver, spirit visage, abysall, Giants belt. Unfriggin killable. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:51 Cloud9157 wrote: Talking about Kennen not being a good pick. Really wasn't. Whenever RM ults, they just disable the fuck out of him to basically nullfiy the ult. A big part of that is that TRM plays a horrible Kennen in the first place. On January 06 2012 08:54 mr_tolkien wrote: His Cassio build is just so funny though :o WotA, revolver, spirit visage, abysall, Giants belt. Unfriggin killable. I agree, and honestly, it is really smart against this team. IF they survive Rainman R / Regi Burst / Chaox QR, they are going to win a teamfight almost no matter what. With that amount of health and MR, Chaox is the only one who could touch him at this point and he'd just get kited / disabled to death. So yeah. Really don't like Ocelote as a person, but he plays almost flawlessly this game. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
That and that one dragon fight were regi was in dragon cave for some reason gettin picked off instantly helped SK snowball. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
LB and Kennen do not belong on the same team :/ and they picked Kennen first. Jungle singed was horrible though. OddOne didn't gank a single time in the first 15 minutes and Maokai ganked everywhere while farming equally. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Regi is right, he just can't gank pre 6. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On January 06 2012 08:45 Shiv. wrote: Generally speaking, I disagree because while Oce has games where he carries the crap out of his team, he tends to derp a lot once he is ahead, at least that's my take on him. I just generally dislike the kid though, so that might be biased. Why the fuck is OddOne derping so hard btw? I am guessing you are basing you opinion on solo q / team q games though. Ocelote is one of these players that plays his best in important games and doesnt focus in solo q. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 06 2012 09:02 tobi9999 wrote: LB was a bad pick. LB and Kennen do not belong on the same team :/ and they picked Kennen first. Jungle singed was horrible though. OddOne didn't gank a single time in the first 15 minutes and Maokai ganked everywhere while farming equally. LB and kennen can actually work quite well. Kennen takes all the threat off of lb and his ult forces the enemy team to separate: which is exactly what lb wants in order to kill people. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Also, I just made a 3v3 ranked team with some friend, rolled around randoms people, but who do you ban in 3v3 ? we had no ideas. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 06 2012 09:04 Redox wrote: I am guessing you are basing you opinion on solo q / team q games though. Ocelote is one of these players that plays his best in important games and doesnt focus in solo q. Mostly, yes. I remember some odd plays from him in tournament matches, too, though. Banshee's first Anivia comes to mind. I'm by no means saying he is a bad player, I don't think he's the most consistent one, though. On January 06 2012 09:20 WhiteDog wrote: Can someone link me the stream ? Seems interesting. Also, I just made a 3v3 ranked team with some friend, rolled around randoms people, but who do you ban in 3v3 ? we had no ideas. http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=74 They finished now, though. They'll scrim empire&SK tomorrow, though. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On January 06 2012 09:20 Shiv. wrote: Mostly, yes. I remember some odd plays from him in tournament matches, too, though. Banshee's first Anivia comes to mind. I'm by no means saying he is a bad player, I don't think he's the most consistent one, though. http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=74 They finished now, though. They'll scrim empire&SK tomorrow, though. Thanks bud ! | ||
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