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On January 02 2012 19:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
I don't get how anybody could list Cait as «not strong» :/ She has a wonderful passive, a stupid stupid laning phase where she can even 1v2, an escape, wave clearing, and a very good trap... But nobody plays her anymore. This is very weird to me, her nerfs didn't change anything !!!
I suck with ad carries but even I facerolled with cait the few games i tried her in free week. But she isn't fun to play after a while.
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On January 02 2012 19:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
I don't get how anybody could list Cait as «not strong» :/ She has a wonderful passive, a stupid stupid laning phase where she can even 1v2, an escape, wave clearing, and a very good trap... But nobody plays her anymore. This is very weird to me, her nerfs didn't change anything !!!
Once you find a way to deal with her 650 range, other carries are way stronger. Cait's net is one of the poorest escapes in the game lol, you hit a bruiser with that shit and he's back on you in less than a second. Other than that her only steroid is her passive. She's great for plowing down turrets though.
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On January 02 2012 18:43 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:32 deskscaress wrote:
right but i think it's less of a risk on shyvana because she (a) has great mobility and (b) instakills wards If you kill the ward but don't really take advantage of it ie, gank, dragon or just have your lane zone the enemy because of it, unless you kill 8 it wont be worth it. If you hunt the map to kill wards but dont really do anything with it, even if you kill 8, it's not worth it.
... no, when you kill a ward it puts immense psychological pressure on half their team. You don't even have to gank anymore because the other team (especially the other team's support) is pressured to deal with the empty map vision, and it makes their team play much more defensive and paranoid. In solo queue it can also result in the team starting to rage at their support, which can lead to a fantastic domino effect of anger.
Early oracles are great on Shyv.
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On January 02 2012 19:57 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:43 JackDino wrote:On January 02 2012 18:32 deskscaress wrote:
right but i think it's less of a risk on shyvana because she (a) has great mobility and (b) instakills wards If you kill the ward but don't really take advantage of it ie, gank, dragon or just have your lane zone the enemy because of it, unless you kill 8 it wont be worth it. If you hunt the map to kill wards but dont really do anything with it, even if you kill 8, it's not worth it. ... no, when you kill a ward it puts immense psychological pressure on half their team. You don't even have to gank anymore because the other team (especially the other team's support) is pressured to deal with the empty map vision, and it makes their team play much more defensive and paranoid. In solo queue it can also result in the team starting to rage at their support, which can lead to a fantastic domino effect of anger. Early oracles are great on Shyv.
That's why I added the zoning part, since people that play really really safe tend to get zoned. If they simply dont give a shit it's not really worth it though, better off farming and using that 400g for a real item.
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On January 02 2012 01:49 starfries wrote:
What she supposedly did is very different from what SV did.
doesnt matter, their reasoning was that breaking the summoners code in public is worse than just doing it in game, she was afk in the start zone and then trollish in game, thats 2 breaks. sure SV may of been "worse" in his break but you also have to remember that riot have made it clear that its not about how big the infraction is, its still breaking the code.
the tribunal is a binary punish or pardon system, SV didnt even get that. and like i said she also represents riot.
On January 02 2012 19:25 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:09 mr_tolkien wrote:
I don't get how anybody could list Cait as «not strong» :/ She has a wonderful passive, a stupid stupid laning phase where she can even 1v2, an escape, wave clearing, and a very good trap... But nobody plays her anymore. This is very weird to me, her nerfs didn't change anything !!! Once you find a way to deal with her 650 range, other carries are way stronger. Cait's net is one of the poorest escapes in the game lol, you hit a bruiser with that shit and he's back on you in less than a second. Other than that her only steroid is her passive. She's great for plowing down turrets though.
how does this bruiser get back on you exactly? maybe renekton. but if your getting caught by a bruiser before a 5v5 without him already blowing his gap closer then your doing it wrong. the net doubles up as a gap closer and wall jump, peacemaker has like 100% ad scaling and her ult is 200%. her lack of a steriod hurts her late game for sure, but shes designed to be an early game bully.
"dealing with her 650 range" is also kinda unfair thing to say, in laning she can shoot you when you cant shoot her, thats a pretty good thing to be able to do. if she has good reaction speeds its not up to you to deal with it. sure as vayne u can tumble in and do some dmg too, but vayne is so weak in laning you cant come out well in any trade..
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If you can't deal with her 650 range she's really strong in lane. If you can deal with her range in lane, most carries tend to be better.
Vayne is actually quite strong in lane, no clue why you wouldn't think so.
Someone like ez can just jump into cait and outdmg her face to face, someone like trist can jump on her etc.
Ashe shouldn't really have too much trouble farming vs cait, cait isn't as good as she used to be when no one knew how to deal with that range.
If a bruiser/assassin get on to you in a teamfight you can net all you want, unless you jump a wall all they have to do is walk back at you which is an easy thing, especially if they have some movement speed boost or put a snare on you since the net has a cast time.
Might be just me though, I never found the net to be that usefull in teamfights, it was like a weaker flash with a cast time.
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Uhh have we spoke about the oddone and the ezreal situation? If so whats the general idea of it? And can anyone link me to the video where he was commentating about it
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"TeddyRO's trying to prove something by playing Ezreal. All he's proving is that Ezreal is a shitty champion."
"Haha look at Ezreal, he's like a 5 year old with a little toy gun! Look at me I'm Ezreal! PEWPEWPEWPEW"
"When you pick ezreal you just pretty much stabbed your team. You just took a dump on their face. When you pick Ezreal it's not a team player move"
"Ezreal's such a **** champion! He does 0 damage and can't even do anything in teamfights. All his Qs get blocked by ghouls and TANKS, he's not even viable. What are you going to do, shoot these zombies to death?"
"So we have Ezreal poking them down. And by poking I mean 10 damage."
"I'm getting will of the ancients to help out Ezreal. Now he'll do 20 damage instead of 10 damage"
"Could have picked a real champ like Corki but noooo picked Ezreal."
"Great. Ezreal just died to Malaria. The jungler didn't even come gank. Ezreal just died to disease walking in grass. Ezreal's so weak that he dies to things that doesn't even exist in this game."
"See that's why they didn't release the Pulsefire Ezreal, they were afraid people would actually play him and realize how bad he is...then never play him again"
"Ezreal's damage is so low it doesn't even register as an assist. It only registers when he dies"
"Ezreal does so little damage he's like a ****ing minion. Purple caster minion Ezreal"
"He has to use his ult to clear creep waves, that's how weak Ezreal is...but look! His ult can't even clear the wave!"
"Ehome is understanding the power of Ezreal. There is no ****ing power."
"The nottingham skin looks like Ezreal went to Old Navy and bought a jacket. That's all this skin is. And its a bad jacket for 520 RP."
"There's war and disease...and there's Ezreal. You don't want any of them."
"What? Ezreal got first blood? How is this possible? Who's his support? Oh it's Sona, that explains a lot. Somehow Ezreal managed to get the last hit in"
"Oh my god Ezreal killed something? Who killed it for him?"
"Oh god it's American Ezreal. We lose. It would have been okay if it was Canadian Ezreal, that's why we still let Chaox play Ezreal, but American Ezreal is just the worst thing I've ever seen. Ever."
"Can't pick Ezreal and expect to win, it is the moral of today's story. They are the scourge of the earth"
"See even the other team thinks Ezreal is useless!"
http://www.nerfplz.com/2011/12/theoddones-compiled-ezreal-quotes.html
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On January 02 2012 21:14 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +"TeddyRO's trying to prove something by playing Ezreal. All he's proving is that Ezreal is a shitty champion."
"Haha look at Ezreal, he's like a 5 year old with a little toy gun! Look at me I'm Ezreal! PEWPEWPEWPEW"
"When you pick ezreal you just pretty much stabbed your team. You just took a dump on their face. When you pick Ezreal it's not a team player move"
"Ezreal's such a **** champion! He does 0 damage and can't even do anything in teamfights. All his Qs get blocked by ghouls and TANKS, he's not even viable. What are you going to do, shoot these zombies to death?"
"So we have Ezreal poking them down. And by poking I mean 10 damage."
"I'm getting will of the ancients to help out Ezreal. Now he'll do 20 damage instead of 10 damage"
"Could have picked a real champ like Corki but noooo picked Ezreal."
"Great. Ezreal just died to Malaria. The jungler didn't even come gank. Ezreal just died to disease walking in grass. Ezreal's so weak that he dies to things that doesn't even exist in this game."
"See that's why they didn't release the Pulsefire Ezreal, they were afraid people would actually play him and realize how bad he is...then never play him again"
"Ezreal's damage is so low it doesn't even register as an assist. It only registers when he dies"
"Ezreal does so little damage he's like a ****ing minion. Purple caster minion Ezreal"
"He has to use his ult to clear creep waves, that's how weak Ezreal is...but look! His ult can't even clear the wave!"
"Ehome is understanding the power of Ezreal. There is no ****ing power."
"The nottingham skin looks like Ezreal went to Old Navy and bought a jacket. That's all this skin is. And its a bad jacket for 520 RP."
"There's war and disease...and there's Ezreal. You don't want any of them."
"What? Ezreal got first blood? How is this possible? Who's his support? Oh it's Sona, that explains a lot. Somehow Ezreal managed to get the last hit in"
"Oh my god Ezreal killed something? Who killed it for him?"
"Oh god it's American Ezreal. We lose. It would have been okay if it was Canadian Ezreal, that's why we still let Chaox play Ezreal, but American Ezreal is just the worst thing I've ever seen. Ever."
"Can't pick Ezreal and expect to win, it is the moral of today's story. They are the scourge of the earth"
"See even the other team thinks Ezreal is useless!" http://www.nerfplz.com/2011/12/theoddones-compiled-ezreal-quotes.html
Thanks Craton :D
But I also wanted to know if we spoke about it here on the forums o.O and the general thoughts and opinions. Agree or disagree with theoddone?
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Pretty sure he said them on his stream across a number of games. I think the general perception is that Ezreal is still underpowered, especially late, but not as bad as TOO claims.
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On January 02 2012 21:19 Craton wrote:
Pretty sure he said them on his stream across a number of games. I think the general perception is that Ezreal is still underpowered, especially late, but not as bad as TOO claims.
Hey... wait a minute, your a Ez player yourself  Its just a bummer that the late game carry is weaker in the late game and amazing early aint it?
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Problem is he's not that much stronger early than the other popular AD carries.
I'm only a mediocre Ez player.
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So its like Vayne(?) and Graves and Corki that deals as much (or more?) damage early game too?
Sometimes I think it depends on the support choices, I do amazing early game if I have a good Janna support.
Freeweek Janna is fucking hell for AD carries.
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I was reading through all those quotes while thinking that Chaox has played Ezreal in tournaments, then he briefly mentioned Chaox at the end. I suppose tournament games are different than solo queue in that TSM can pick a comp to take advantage of Chaox's Ezreal.
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On January 02 2012 22:23 Jaksiel wrote:
I was reading through all those quotes while thinking that Chaox has played Ezreal in tournaments, then he briefly mentioned Chaox at the end. I suppose tournament games are different than solo queue in that TSM can pick a comp to take advantage of Chaox's Ezreal.
The fact he compliments comps that already have strong poke and / or AoE is one thing I suppose they like about him. Another observation I have made is that they almost always send AD+support top whenever they pick Ezreal, supposedly making it a 2v1 lane. Ezreal, especially in conjunction with an Alistar or a Sona, is a hell of a champ to lane against very early on. I think he excels at zoning an enemy in those 1v2 scenarios like no other AD does, mainly because he's able to get an distinct advantage really really early on. They usually pick Yorick or Udyr for TRM if they pull that off, which both are champs who have a much better time 1v2 than most do. Then, before they attempt their first dragon, they will put AD+support back at bottom and contest it before the enemy team is able to react.
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I kinda like the lane swap part, if they can neuter the enemy solo more than TRM gets neutered it's worth it if you nail the switch before 1st drag dies. There's a whole lot of if's in that though.
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Polish ppl are OP on EU-West
1. Dont speak english
2. Disconnect every 2 minute
3. Take clarity on every champion
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On January 03 2012 00:26 emucxg wrote:
Polish ppl are OP on EU-West
1. Dont speak english
2. Disconnect every 2 minute
3. Take clarity on every champion
This so much. Also they like promote ... I like promote used against me  Push lane more plz!!
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On January 03 2012 00:22 daemir wrote:
I kinda like the lane swap part, if they can neuter the enemy solo more than TRM gets neutered it's worth it if you nail the switch before 1st drag dies. There's a whole lot of if's in that though.
Those are just my observations and partly interpretations of their more recent tournament games and scrims. I don't know how accurately that resembles their thought process.
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I recently bought Graves, because he was so cheap, and have to ask - when should I prefer Graves over Vayne? I can't play AD at all, but I guess I better have an AD option available to me if I do ranked.
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