EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 37
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:30 Craton wrote: Basically what should happen is if skarner tries to flash ult your carry he QSS's it right away and isn't in much danger. With a e.g. flash shurelya's garen you'll need your own team's shruelya's and some kind of CC. After that you can just turn on them since they've blown a bunch of shit and your carry is a-okay. I only see this strategy working in Normals/blind pick though. Janna/Gragas can counter the team pretty hard. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On January 02 2012 09:39 Ryrk wrote: I'd rather just skip Soul Shroud and just get the earlier Stark's or WotA for the support. Soul Shroud honestly doesn't provide a whole heck of a lot for your team, as by the time you get it, the MP regeneration doesn't really help, and I'd rather get the Stark's over the 10% cooldown reduction for the team. I do agree it's under-bought, but rightly so. It doesn't do much. Imo the concept of "Support should get auraitems" is a basic flaw in these types of arguments. Supports are starved enough already and dont benefit as much from Wota/Starks as a AP mid/AD carry would. I'd start building starks instead of Wits End and work from there. Aegis/Starks can be easily divided among bruiser top and jungler this way, wota goes to AP mid and Soul Shroud is left to the support. Profit! | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On January 02 2012 10:03 Perplex wrote: I second this! I miss his stream, it was my favorite  Thirded. Where are you? | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Doublelift talking about how Caitlyn is superior to Tristana even in teamfights on the other hand there are several games where Chaox carries hard with Tristina. Similar difference in opion on Graves during release as Chaox was calling him the best AD and still does after nerfs. CLG currently arguing this on stream against Doublelift of the merits of Tristina vs Caitlyn. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On January 02 2012 12:58 r.Evo wrote: Imo the concept of "Support should get auraitems" is a basic flaw in these types of arguments. Supports are starved enough already and dont benefit as much from Wota/Starks as a AP mid/AD carry would. I'd start building starks instead of Wits End and work from there. Aegis/Starks can be easily divided among bruiser top and jungler this way, wota goes to AP mid and Soul Shroud is left to the support. Profit! Well I think the fact that supports are gold starved can be (and is) used to argue that they should go for items with high cost-effectiveness, such as aura items and gp/10, since they will only completing a few. Taric, Sona and Soraka also have innate auras, so presumably they'd want to adjust their strategy/tactics to fill that role. I do agree that Stark's is way underrated and probably better on another champ, since the components aren't as useful for support during the lane phase as other items. I really hate playing support but I keep winning with them, especially Taric, who is a solo queue monster. His kit is pretty balanced, and his auras pull together teamfights (in terms of gold value his W+ult are massive). Also, the slow travel time on dazzle is great for pubs, it tells your teammates "that guy is gonna be stunned soon" without needing ventrilo or even a common language. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:01 Flakes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2012 12:58 r.Evo wrote: Imo the concept of "Support should get auraitems" is a basic flaw in these types of arguments. Supports are starved enough already and dont benefit as much from Wota/Starks as a AP mid/AD carry would. I'd start building starks instead of Wits End and work from there. Aegis/Starks can be easily divided among bruiser top and jungler this way, wota goes to AP mid and Soul Shroud is left to the support. Profit! Well I think the fact that supports are gold starved can be (and is) used to argue that they should go for items with high cost-effectiveness, such as aura items and gp/10, since they will only completing a few. Taric, Sona and Soraka also have innate auras, so presumably they'd want to adjust their strategy/tactics to fill that role. I do agree that Stark's is way underrated and probably better on another champ, since the components aren't as useful for support during the lane phase as other items. Haha, before this whole conversation I would have never thought of building starks on Taric. After reading it however, I decided to get it in my last game. Our team had Yi+Twitch+Irellia, and they all loved me for buying it. We ended up outlasting Vayne thanks to all the lifesteal, and won pretty convincingly. Neither team's Mage carry was doing much, so the starks was an obvious choice for aura item. Some people may say we won because the opponent ryze built deathcap, but then I could just argue back our anivia did nothing but bitch and complain and take kills he/she didnt deserve. Basically a 4v4 | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
take kills he/she didnt deserve what? | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On January 02 2012 13:58 Shikyo wrote: The conversation reinforces my opinion that Doublelift is one of the smartest LoL players around I think this is the most I've ever learned about LoL in one sitting. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Ok, maybe the person did deserve kills, but these are the kills where your team chases them through the jungle for a min, and then right before your team kills the guy, you lay down your ult for 1 tic of damage and get the kill. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
In lane the only thing I'm doing is trying to last hit and zone them with q + auto attacks. And in team fights I just mash all my skills and do tons of damage. I think a crazy idea that just might work would be hybrid magic pen + armour pen reds on him for maximum zone damage in early game. Actually I think hybrid reds would be good on a lot of ap mids with ranged autos. | ||
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Haato
Mexico81 Posts
On January 02 2012 11:09 TheYango wrote: Jungler should be buying Aegis, not support. Particularly in such a mass aura strategy. Janna wouldn't even help. If Skarner starts his ulti animation, and Janna ults, the Skarner ult target gets pulled through with him. Janna could flash+ult skarner back into her team while she pushes skarner's team away | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 02 2012 13:58 Shikyo wrote: The conversation reinforces my opinion that Doublelift is one of the smartest LoL players around meh I think Saint and Chauster (despite his occasional douchiness) have a better understanding. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Chaox outright has a better understanding of the game and imo is a much better player in general. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:40 Hyren wrote: I think this is the most I've ever learned about LoL in one sitting. The CLG conversation was good, but Doublelift said a lot of pretty dumb things. At least he was willing to retract some of it. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
Edit: wow, he's acting like a real idiot, this is pretty ridiculous -.- | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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