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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 02 2012 01:24 GMT
#701
My problem with starks is that it has 2 stats that are secondary on ad carries, and useless on everyone else (excepting certain top lanes). So its good if your support finishes a shurelias, and someone else has aegis, but really ad gold is best spent on other items, and support feels really shitty gettin something they have no use for.

Like if they changed the recipe to have a hog instead of emblem of valor, that might make it much more attractive.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 02 2012 01:24 GMT
#702
On January 02 2012 10:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'm talking about Yangos mass aura strategy. It's definitely not my first choice for an aura item on an auraless team.


I don't even think it's better than "another reverie" on a mass aura team. Buying both Reverie and Soul Shroud on someone is a massive investment into health, so if you're buying multiples to put on different people, I'm pretty sure the answer is just to buy more Reveries. 5% more CDR for self, anyways, with the ghost aura, is so much more than SS even pretends to do.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 02 2012 01:30 GMT
#703
soul shroud is a beast item esp on champs that benefit from the hp like alistar
in siege comps it guarantees that your AP reaches 40% cdr with blue while giving the rest of your team (esp if the ad is like ezreal or kog and has a siege skill) enough mana to keep up pressure
reverie has a lot of utility as a item to beeline especially in solo queue but if your team coordinates around certain comps its far from bad.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 02 2012 01:37 GMT
#704
On January 02 2012 10:24 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 10:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'm talking about Yangos mass aura strategy. It's definitely not my first choice for an aura item on an auraless team.


I don't even think it's better than "another reverie" on a mass aura team. Buying both Reverie and Soul Shroud on someone is a massive investment into health, so if you're buying multiples to put on different people, I'm pretty sure the answer is just to buy more Reveries. 5% more CDR for self, anyways, with the ghost aura, is so much more than SS even pretends to do.


I don't think a second Reverie is that useful personally unless you're facing a kite based team or you're playing something that is reliant on gap closing (rammus and udyr come to mind). If your whole team is pushing towers a Soul Shroud is going to be very useful, and that's the whole point of a mass aura strategy as far as I'm concerned. I suppose it could allow you to punish somebody out of position much easier or just dive the tower, but I feel like it'd depend too much on the team compositions for any blanket statement to be made that A is better than B.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 01:41:28
January 02 2012 01:38 GMT
#705
On January 02 2012 10:18 Niton wrote:
The CDR is way less useful than other offensive stats, because the champions that want it tend to already cap (or try to cap) it. Best case scenario is a couple of people get benefit from it, but even then it's just so weak compared to Reverie's ghost.

Actually, it's more common (and more realistic) for people to be shooting for 10 under cap than for the CDR cap (so that blue pots can fill out the rest). Having Soul Shroud to fill out that last 10% actually works out just fine for sustained pushing.

On January 02 2012 10:24 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 10:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I'm talking about Yangos mass aura strategy. It's definitely not my first choice for an aura item on an auraless team.


I don't even think it's better than "another reverie" on a mass aura team. Buying both Reverie and Soul Shroud on someone is a massive investment into health, so if you're buying multiples to put on different people, I'm pretty sure the answer is just to buy more Reveries. 5% more CDR for self, anyways, with the ghost aura, is so much more than SS even pretends to do.

How the hell is this option relevant to spending support gold in a mass-aura strategy? By the time your support is done with Reverie and considering Soul Shroud, 2-3 other auras will be done (WotA on AP, Aegis on Jungler, possibly Starks depending on the timing chosen by the carrier). You're obviously not going to buy a second Reverie on the support, and it makes more sense for the support to buy Soul Shroud than Abyssal or Stark's, because having straight HP is a more useful self-stat for the support than either of the other item options.
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
January 02 2012 01:42 GMT
#706
I LOVE clairvoyance. Any teamfight around brushes/jungle becomes so much easyer with it, when the oracles are out it's a huge help, even in lane it's pretty big. I just love it.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 02 2012 01:45 GMT
#707
Hey, I played a game that gave me this idea. How about playing a Skarner + Garen type of a lineup, and in teamfights your strategy would be for Skarner to instantly flash - shyrelya - ulti the AD carry, and for Garen to flash - silence ->spintowin the AP carry? How does one deal with this assuming they ban janna
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GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 01:50:15
January 02 2012 01:46 GMT
#708
I think if you're aiming to do a mass aura strategy with an arranged team, the champion who would normally be aiming to max CDR could invest in something more effective than CDR instead, and gain benefit from the SS that way. Throwing blue buff + blue pot into the picture, your AP carry would nearly max CDR with no item/rune/masteries at all (9 in offense and they are at 39%) The only champ who I can think of who regularly maxes out with no real effort is Ryze.

And everybody loves CDR, so i don't see how 10% on the whole team isn't awesome. Frankly, I think the mana aspect is secondary on SS
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 02 2012 01:52 GMT
#709
On January 02 2012 10:45 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I played a game that gave me this idea. How about playing a Skarner + Garen type of a lineup, and in teamfights your strategy would be for Skarner to instantly flash - shyrelya - ulti the AD carry, and for Garen to flash - silence ->spintowin the AP carry? How does one deal with this assuming they ban janna

Carry gets a QSS, team uses CC.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 02 2012 01:58 GMT
#710
Blitzcrank with Wota/Aegis/Stark's/ Soul Shroud and Frozen Heart. I call it.. Auragolem. The only problem is I'd have no idea where to even put him. But hey, let's just stack all the aura's for the funsies!
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
January 02 2012 01:59 GMT
#711
ezreal's base mana regen at level 18: 18.7 mp5
mana regen gained from soul shroud: 12 mp5

shurelya is a lot more flexible and more utilizable, especially in unorganized games (and solo queue).
to say that soul shroud is a really bad item is dumb though. of course there will be team comps (siege and poke comps, champions that with the extra mana region can afford a lot more poke i.e. ashe ezreal kog and thus play a different style of play) that benefit from it.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 02 2012 02:02 GMT
#712
Game is usually over before I finish my third aura item after Shurelya's and Aegis.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
January 02 2012 02:06 GMT
#713
On January 02 2012 10:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
For sustain pushing which you should be doing if you decide to invest in three auras since you'll be a lot stronger than the other team soul shroud makes a lot of sense. The CDR aura is very good and while MP5 probably isn't the best aura, it won't go to waste while you're crushing towers and getting further ahead.


I actually forgot that the mana regen is an aura, potentially that could add a lot of value to the 375 cdr aura.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 02:11:20
January 02 2012 02:09 GMT
#714
On January 02 2012 11:02 Craton wrote:
Game is usually over before I finish my third aura item after Shurelya's and Aegis.

Jungler should be buying Aegis, not support. Particularly in such a mass aura strategy.

On January 02 2012 10:45 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I played a game that gave me this idea. How about playing a Skarner + Garen type of a lineup, and in teamfights your strategy would be for Skarner to instantly flash - shyrelya - ulti the AD carry, and for Garen to flash - silence ->spintowin the AP carry? How does one deal with this assuming they ban janna

Janna wouldn't even help. If Skarner starts his ulti animation, and Janna ults, the Skarner ult target gets pulled through with him.
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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 02 2012 02:11 GMT
#715
On January 02 2012 10:38 TheYango wrote:
How the hell is this option relevant to spending support gold in a mass-aura strategy? By the time your support is done with Reverie and considering Soul Shroud, 2-3 other auras will be done (WotA on AP, Aegis on Jungler, possibly Starks depending on the timing chosen by the carrier). You're obviously not going to buy a second Reverie on the support, and it makes more sense for the support to buy Soul Shroud than Abyssal or Stark's, because having straight HP is a more useful self-stat for the support than either of the other item options.


Why would you dump 5k into items that are (almost) pure health defensively, exactly? I don't think it's even worth seriously considering Soul Shroud on your support because that money can be better put into hard-capping CDR or buying the mana sustain that a 'sit there and do things team' support really kinda needs. Abyssal and/or FH will almost certainly do more for your team than CDR that only matters to a subset of champions who get strong benefit from CDR (but don't build it).
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 02 2012 02:15 GMT
#716
On January 02 2012 11:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 11:02 Craton wrote:
Game is usually over before I finish my third aura item after Shurelya's and Aegis.

Jungler should be buying Aegis, not support. Particularly in such a mass aura strategy.

A.) It's not some gimmicky "mass aura" strategy.
B.) Aegis is sub-optimal on many junglers
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 02 2012 02:27 GMT
#717
There are a lot of support champs that thrive with Aegis, and in these times I try to get the jungler to build a bigger item instead. There are junglers that don't really like to get Aegis anyway.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
January 02 2012 02:28 GMT
#718
Looks like Goose pulling out of Kiev and also needing to replace a member due to overbearing families.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 02 2012 02:36 GMT
#719
On January 02 2012 06:51 mr_tolkien wrote:
My WW clip hasn't been selected @_@



It was admittedly a lot better than the 5th selected, tho.
But dat #1... @_@
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 02:40:40
January 02 2012 02:39 GMT
#720
On January 02 2012 10:52 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 10:45 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I played a game that gave me this idea. How about playing a Skarner + Garen type of a lineup, and in teamfights your strategy would be for Skarner to instantly flash - shyrelya - ulti the AD carry, and for Garen to flash - silence ->spintowin the AP carry? How does one deal with this assuming they ban janna

Carry gets a QSS, team uses CC.

So QSS eh, I guess that makes sense o_o

Also yeah I meant that Janna would ulti before Skarner managed to use his

edit: BTW Yiruru should win this weeks best plays thingy~
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