EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 40
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:34 mustaju wrote: I recently bought Graves, because he was so cheap, and have to ask - when should I prefer Graves over Vayne? I can't play AD at all, but I guess I better have an AD option available to me if I do ranked. Vayne is stronger against tanky teams, Graves is better against squishy teams. Graves has a stronger laning phase, and should be much easier to play well for most people (QR win). | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On January 03 2012 00:48 spinesheath wrote: Vayne is stronger against tanky teams, Graves is better against squishy teams. Graves has a stronger laning phase, and should be much easier to play well for most people (QR win). General tips on what a very newby player (1200 ELO) should buy and practice for each of the positions to reach the more acceptable 1400? Currently I Own Alistair, Cho'gath, Graves, Janna, Jax, Kayle, Lee Sin, Malphite, Morgana, Shen, Singed, Soraka, Swain, Tristana, Udyr, Vayne, Viktor, Xerath and Zilean. I heard Zilean is pretty good, but my general position-champion thing is: Top: Shen or Singed Mid: Xerath or Zilean AD: Vayne Support - Janna Jungle - Malphite or Udyr. What I generally have most problems with is Vayne's last hitting and surviving lane, and countering GP top. -.- But since I am that low ELO, maybe I'm thinking too much ahead. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:09 mustaju wrote: General tips on what a very newby player (1200 ELO) should buy and practice for each of the positions to reach the more acceptable 1400? Champs that you like playing. That's really the only solid answer. If you want a reason why I wouldn't want to give you a list of "easy to play and good for ranked" champs: Specific picks hardly matter at 1200 elo as long as you don't outpick yourself. But if you play champs you like, you will find it easier to get better at them. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:12 Two_DoWn wrote: Ez was really strong early way back when ad carries were in solo lanes. Then they released cait and put ad carries in bot lanes. Now he is outclassed in terms of killing potential by everyone save kog and mf early and still sucks balls late. Think that has more to do with Ezreal getting nerfed 50 times in a row than AD carries being on botlane | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:19 Shikyo wrote: Think that has more to do with Ezreal getting nerfed 50 times in a row than AD carries being on botlane There's like a 1 year gap between Ezreal getting chain-nerfed and AD carries being put botlane. In that time, the general opinion was that Ezreal was UP, but Chauster made it very clear that he felt Ezreal was just fine, and CLG ran Ezreal several times in tournaments to great success. Then when AD carries ACTUALLY got put bot lane, people started running him again, with much more lackluster results. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:26 phyvo wrote: Riot claims that EZ is owning the meta in China and crapping over everything there. this is not true.. Ez in China is as weak as in NA. but it is true though that Ez is very very popular pick in Chinese server. edit. btw TF is also popular pick in Chinese server (after the range buff). | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:32 Slayer91 wrote: When ezrael was played a lot in EU he seemed pretty damn good in the hands of a good ezrael player. People who were bad at ezrael seemed to be terrible though. the problem is not ezreal, the problem is they made the newest AD carries wayyy too OP. all 3 new AD champs they released recently : Vayne, Graves, Caitlyn | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:31 emucxg wrote: this is not true.. Ez in China is as weak as in NA. but it is true though that Ez is very very popular pick in Chinese server. edit. btw TF is also popular pick in Chinese server (after the range buff). Phreak is the one saying that, to be specific. But his argument is weak, the only one he has is how hes played by pros in tournaments and stuff. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Corki and trist have better mobility AND better burst AND better late game damage. Cait has better range, better harass, and close to the same escapability. Graves has better burst, better harass, and better steroids. Vayne has better damage. Which leaves what for Ez? I think it was chaox who said it best- right now Ez is just the poor man's corki. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Back one or two month, ezreal was back at something like top4 of AD carry. Then a month pass, NOTHING CHANGE, and ezreal is back at being underpowered ? wtf ? He got picked in a few tournaments back when i watched these, and people like Chaox and CandayPanda were raping with him. And in my personal games, i never felt like my ezreal ( he's my main since his release ) was falling behind. The only people who think he does low damage are retards who only fire mystic and never use his AA or people who don't know how to use high risk heroes. edit : about ez vs corki.. corki was nerf like hell like 4 month ago, and everyone aggred Ez was superior to corki back then. Since then, Corki only recive the little change on his gatlin, nothing else. I just don't understand people. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:41 Two_DoWn wrote: Ez is just the poor man's corki. but but Ez costs 3k more IP and corki was given out for free back in 09 :O Ezreal is the 1% | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
The real problem was that people jumped from the corki bandwagon to ezreal, even though corki was still better than ez. Just one of those irrational things where people jump from someone who got nerfed and dont play him for a few months. LOL flakes. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
I think Ezreal was beloved cus he was seen a lot in tournament play, but now. Now people have gotten used to Graves and Vayne and compared them to Ezreal. Ezreal pretty much throws balloons while Graves and Vayne shoots bomb bullets; thats their mentality. Oh and it obviously helps when a famous streamer makes one clear subject for the whole of his stream. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On January 03 2012 01:52 RogerX wrote: Ever since The odd one said that corki is a better version of Ezreal, Corki is now the better version of Ezreal. (Probably always were, but who wants to play some midgety guy flying a strange looking plane anyway, I know I do.) I think Ezreal was beloved cus he was seen a lot in tournament play, but now. Now people have gotten used to Graves and Vayne and compared them to Ezreal. Ezreal pretty much throws balloons while Graves and Vayne shoots bomb bullets; thats their mentality. Oh and it obviously helps when a famous streamer makes one clear subject for the whole of his stream. Meh Anyway, as an ezreal player, seing people shit on ezreal again is better than when Riot was writing about nerfing him. ( yeah, they did after one tournament ) Because, heh, it's ezreal, he will always be bad if he's not killing people in 3 mystic like he used to do in May 2010. ._. | ||
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