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Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
December 13 2011 16:06 GMT
#241
On December 14 2011 01:03 Alzadar wrote:
Hahaha did anyone watch the champion spotlight?

"My 4% critical chance from masteries triggers on both, and I get a completely free kill"


The whole champion spotlight is just an elaborate troll. There's no possible way it can be real or I lose all faith in Phreak.
=O
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 13 2011 16:09 GMT
#242
parrrley last is the real #1 build. phreak so good!
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#243
On December 14 2011 00:51 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:37 rwrzr wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:31 Slayer91 wrote:
I find it pretty funny they keep screwing around the with mr and armour numbers on xins ult back and forth and hoping it'll fix something.


Give his ultimate a Cleanse or CC protection for 2 seconds.


Had a game where my team fed the enemy Xin up the wahzoo, and at the very end when I suppressed him as Malz, his attack speed was so fast, he popped me up before the suppression had even taken effect and then killed me on top of my team/turrets. Giving him a cleanse or CC immunity is how to completely and utterly break his kit even more. -_-

Buy a frakking QSS like (almost) everyone else has to. Or, I don't know... run cleanse!?!?


Give him a rework!!!!! Im thinking something like riven with a lot of short to average cooldowns so you can spam OR make him melee sona/udyr yeah~!
FADC
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17292 Posts
December 13 2011 16:13 GMT
#244
gp5 seals felt pretty good, but the lack of mana regen seemed noticeable on janna
twitch.tv/cratonz
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#245
On December 13 2011 21:37 Shiv. wrote:
Spine, you're sort of my go to guy when I'm unsure about support discussions. Your argumentations have always striked me as very well thought out based on experience at the same time.

What's your take on GP5 yellows? I'm only playing Soraka and Sona as of now, and I run Armor red and yellows, AP/lvl blues (will change them for flat AP or MR I guess) and GP5 quints. I currently build Philo as my only GP5 and go for a relatively fast Shurelya's with it. I like playing aggressively on both of them and while some people argue that's not the way to go, I feel like it is because Soraka wins trades due to silence, Sona because of her raw early game DPS and HPS, making the trade worthwhile. Anyway, not the point of the post.

What I was trying to put across: I love both warding a whole freaking lot and aggression. Masteries, Avarice Quints AND Avarice yellows set me up with 7,5 additional GP5, which sounds pretty good. On the other hand, I trade 13 armor for just 2,5 GP5, which makes trading in lane a lot harder.

TL;DR:
Not sure if they are good for someone who just started support and likes warding a lot lot lot, but also tries to force engagements relatively early on.


On Soraka: possible if you play passively (which is sometimes a good idea, but NOT always).
On Sona: Wouldn't even try it once.

I also don't recommend gold/10 quints or deep utility spec on Sona. Combat strength is the way to go.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#246
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
December 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#247
"I max parlay last"

then

"My Q lets me win trades" -> parlay hits for 1/20th of the champion health at level 5

then

"I get CDR boots and brutalizer for the cooldown reduction" -> for his level 1 Q and max rank raise morale
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
December 13 2011 16:16 GMT
#248
No normal draft anymore? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#249
Q has a 1:1 AD ratio and is ranged. It's like an extra attack+ a tiny bit extra, and it's ranged.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 13 2011 16:21 GMT
#250
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/naug2/unreleased_champion_viktor/

Might as well post that as well. Has the model and his skins, as well as a bit more info.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 13 2011 16:25 GMT
#251
On December 14 2011 01:21 Two_DoWn wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/naug2/unreleased_champion_viktor/

Might as well post that as well. Has the model and his skins, as well as a bit more info.

Manaless, Upgrade the augment to give him mana cdr and mana per 5, wtf riot.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 13 2011 16:26 GMT
#252
On December 14 2011 01:14 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 21:37 Shiv. wrote:
Spine, you're sort of my go to guy when I'm unsure about support discussions. Your argumentations have always striked me as very well thought out based on experience at the same time.

What's your take on GP5 yellows? I'm only playing Soraka and Sona as of now, and I run Armor red and yellows, AP/lvl blues (will change them for flat AP or MR I guess) and GP5 quints. I currently build Philo as my only GP5 and go for a relatively fast Shurelya's with it. I like playing aggressively on both of them and while some people argue that's not the way to go, I feel like it is because Soraka wins trades due to silence, Sona because of her raw early game DPS and HPS, making the trade worthwhile. Anyway, not the point of the post.

What I was trying to put across: I love both warding a whole freaking lot and aggression. Masteries, Avarice Quints AND Avarice yellows set me up with 7,5 additional GP5, which sounds pretty good. On the other hand, I trade 13 armor for just 2,5 GP5, which makes trading in lane a lot harder.

TL;DR:
Not sure if they are good for someone who just started support and likes warding a lot lot lot, but also tries to force engagements relatively early on.


On Soraka: possible if you play passively (which is sometimes a good idea, but NOT always).
On Sona: Wouldn't even try it once.

I also don't recommend gold/10 quints or deep utility spec on Sona. Combat strength is the way to go.

Thanks for the reply.
What quints do you run on Sona? Fortitude?
currently rooting for myself.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:27:05
December 13 2011 16:26 GMT
#253
Stats obviously aren't final.

Mana:0
Mana/Lvl:0

Move:0
Mana/5s base:4.3
Mana/5s/Lvl:0.45
Mana/5s (Lvl18):12.4
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 13 2011 16:32 GMT
#254
Obviously he just sits in the fountain all game spamming spells Xerath style.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:33:57
December 13 2011 16:33 GMT
#255
On December 14 2011 01:26 Sandster wrote:
Stats obviously aren't final.

Mana:0
Mana/Lvl:0

Move:0
Mana/5s base:4.3
Mana/5s/Lvl:0.45
Mana/5s (Lvl18):12.4

Would make sense. I didnt even realize it was weird for him to be a manaless with this core giving MP5 until someone pointed it out.

Kinda interested to see how much his upgrade thing costs. Could be an interesting mechanic, but probably gonna suck late game when you wish you could just sell the thing and get some decent stats.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
December 13 2011 16:33 GMT
#256
On December 14 2011 00:54 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:31 Slayer91 wrote:
I find it pretty funny they keep screwing around the with mr and armour numbers on xins ult back and forth and hoping it'll fix something.

yea, I do too. blows my fucking mind that this is somehow what they think is wrong with Xin...

They're probably hoping they can get people to shut up without actually doing anything. Basically the same like tryndamere.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 13 2011 16:35 GMT
#257
On December 14 2011 01:26 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:14 spinesheath wrote:
On December 13 2011 21:37 Shiv. wrote:
Spine, you're sort of my go to guy when I'm unsure about support discussions. Your argumentations have always striked me as very well thought out based on experience at the same time.

What's your take on GP5 yellows? I'm only playing Soraka and Sona as of now, and I run Armor red and yellows, AP/lvl blues (will change them for flat AP or MR I guess) and GP5 quints. I currently build Philo as my only GP5 and go for a relatively fast Shurelya's with it. I like playing aggressively on both of them and while some people argue that's not the way to go, I feel like it is because Soraka wins trades due to silence, Sona because of her raw early game DPS and HPS, making the trade worthwhile. Anyway, not the point of the post.

What I was trying to put across: I love both warding a whole freaking lot and aggression. Masteries, Avarice Quints AND Avarice yellows set me up with 7,5 additional GP5, which sounds pretty good. On the other hand, I trade 13 armor for just 2,5 GP5, which makes trading in lane a lot harder.

TL;DR:
Not sure if they are good for someone who just started support and likes warding a lot lot lot, but also tries to force engagements relatively early on.


On Soraka: possible if you play passively (which is sometimes a good idea, but NOT always).
On Sona: Wouldn't even try it once.

I also don't recommend gold/10 quints or deep utility spec on Sona. Combat strength is the way to go.

Thanks for the reply.
What quints do you run on Sona? Fortitude?


i personally like a combination of ms and AP quints on most of my supports, except soraka. i use my flat AP page on her.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:42:27
December 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#258
Why does xin's e have to slow? Like wouldnt it be much better if they just removed the slow from his e, changed his q to a stun or something (so its effected by tenacity) then actually buffed him? Wouldnt that fix his whole "sticks to one person till they dead" thing that riot seems to hate?

I just dont think Riot is ever going to buff him without actually breaking him down first.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#259
On December 14 2011 01:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
Why does xin's e have to slow? Like wouldnt it be much better if they just removed the slow from his e, changed his q to a stun or something (so its effected by tenacity) then actually buffed him? Wouldnt that fix his whole "sticks to one person till they dead" thing that riot seems to hate?

I just dont think Riot is ever going to buff him without actually breaking him down first.

I just like Xin's kit how it is. Really don't see how he's so problematic at low elo with those piss poor numbers.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#260
Is it me or is Viktor riot's answer for people wanting Evoker in this game? He sounds like he has MOST of evoker's abilities, but there's no way they are gunna give him Ghost Walk lol.
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