EPTI've always seen Xin as the champion who if he isn't ahead he doesn't do well. Even going even tends to be a bad thing for him because of this power curve issue of his. How to fix it I am not sure because I am sure that just nerfing his damage early and scaling his abilities just wont' cut it or it'd of been done by now. *shrug*
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
I've always seen Xin as the champion who if he isn't ahead he doesn't do well. Even going even tends to be a bad thing for him because of this power curve issue of his. How to fix it I am not sure because I am sure that just nerfing his damage early and scaling his abilities just wont' cut it or it'd of been done by now. *shrug* | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:44 Cixah wrote: Is it me or is Viktor riot's answer for people wanting Evoker in this game? He sounds like he has MOST of evoker's abilities, but there's no way they are gunna give him Ghost Walk lol. I always felt the biggest part about invoker is that you get to push 50 buttons to use one ability. Just me though. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:55 Senx wrote: Rivens damage output right out the gate is fucking retarded and something ive noticed last few games. Real perma ban until nerf. She's become more known everyday.. don't tell others and start playing her. It's hilarious how many people will call you op the moment you firstblood them because they've no clue about Riven in general. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I've been putting off getting him. Is he fun? Is he good? I don't see him all that often outside Dominion. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:54 Parnage wrote: Xin's problem is his early game. If he get's ahead he has that kind of great early even good mid game if he's ahead. However eventually past level 11 or so if he isn't still ahead he starts being less and less effective and if he's behind he's screwed. The best Xin games are the ones where they surrender or you win pre 25ish from what I've found. Because the longer the game goes on the more likely you going in after the main initiator(pray you are not the initiator) in a team fight the more likely you just die and kill no one or you are forced to flash out of the fight. I've always seen Xin as the champion who if he isn't ahead he doesn't do well. Even going even tends to be a bad thing for him because of this power curve issue of his. How to fix it I am not sure because I am sure that just nerfing his damage early and scaling his abilities just wont' cut it or it'd of been done by now. *shrug* He's like most assassins (other than Talon). Fed = unkillable. Not fed = meh. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:55 Senx wrote: Rivens damage output right out the gate is fucking retarded and something ive noticed last few games. Real perma ban until nerf. Shyvana's is even more ridiculous. But I don't see many Shyvanas top. | ||
sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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warscythes
365 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:03 starfries wrote: Shyvana's is even more ridiculous. But I don't see many Shyvanas top. Difference is that Riven has 12(+1) hp regen at lvl 1 and Shyvana has 7.2(+0.8). Riven also scales harder, although Shyvana's late game is not bad, Riven is just a straight up monster late game. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:03 starfries wrote: Shyvana's is even more ridiculous. But I don't see many Shyvanas top. shyv has a pretty crazy dmg output, but she doesnt have cc of any kind. Imo, she's more like garen top, where you have to be a little bit clever to get all of your damage out on somebody. riven has an aoe stun and aoe pseudo-knockup, that pretty much force her dmg output on you whenever she feels like it. | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
Where's normal draft? I'm so confused x.x | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
Are the 4 holiday skins datamined yet or are we still guessing based on the splash screen? | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:02 Requizen wrote: He's like most assassins (other than Talon). Fed = unkillable. Not fed = meh. what? Xin has way less frontloaded burst with less scaling than your typical assassin and has horrid defensive tools and base damages compared to real tanky DPSers. honestly, I see no reason to ever play Xin. his kit begs to be played like Irelia/J4/Warwick/Riven, yet his numbers are sooooo shitty that I see no reason to every play him over any of them. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:20 Deltablazy wrote: IMO the only reason Riven hasn't been nerfed yet is because she's very luck and skill dependent. I lost many times to trynd/gp lucky early crits and got dominated for the rest of the laning phase. I a few times to Garens and Renektons because I made 1 mistake early on and was having a hard time for the rest of the game. But when I dont make mistakes, I usually go on legendary streaks. It takes time to learn Riven, and since free week Riven newbs failed to show her OP-ness, I'm not expecting a Riven nerf anytime soon. Uh, what you described applies to nearly every top laner. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:22 Mogwai wrote: what? Xin has way less frontloaded burst with less scaling than your typical assassin and has horrid defensive tools and base damages compared to real tanky DPSers. honestly, I see no reason to ever play Xin. his kit begs to be played like Irelia/J4/Warwick/Riven, yet his numbers are sooooo shitty that I see no reason to every play him over any of them. Well yeah, I agree. But, if you do manage to get a handful of early kills, he can do well, like an Akali or whatever. Not as well, but similar idea is what I was saying. He needs more of a buff than 10 armor/MR :/ | ||
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Deltablazy
Canada580 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:23 Lanzoma wrote: Uh, what you described applies to nearly every top laner. Tanky/sustain top laners have an easier time though. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:26 Shiv. wrote: Thanks for the reply. What quints do you run on Sona? Fortitude? Depends on the lane. Anything that helps me win the lane. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:44 Cixah wrote: Is it me or is Viktor riot's answer for people wanting Evoker in this game? He sounds like he has MOST of evoker's abilities, but there's no way they are gunna give him Ghost Walk lol. How can a champ with 4 abilities have "most" of the abilities of a hero with 10 abilities? That doesn't work at all, lol. EDIT: Not to mention, I'm not seeing where you're drawing the parallels between Invoker's skills and Viktor's. You're going to have to enlighten me on which skills you think are what. | ||
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