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Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
December 13 2011 18:03 GMT
#301
On December 14 2011 02:58 sob3k wrote:
How do you guys build Lux when playing as a support.

I've been going dring/philo/dring/boots/kage/dcap and upping to CD boots.

Just wondering what other people do, although nobody seems to play lux...


As support: some regen (2-3x dorans) & cdr (game dependant what you use for cdr, kindlegem is pretty awesome always though); flash + cv as spells
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
December 13 2011 18:05 GMT
#302
On December 14 2011 02:50 Sandster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 02:41 Deltablazy wrote:
On December 14 2011 02:34 Sandster wrote:
I started playing her two days ago and usually don't play top lane (I play Irelia, Nasus, and occasionally Jarv/Udyr/Pantheon). Regardless of the game, whether I get out of laning phase 3-0 or 0-3 (due to their jungler camping top and my jungler taking the rest of the map), I will farm my BT sooner or later, and once I do I will be getting double or triple kills in team fights.

AT WORST, if you have no idea what's going on, you just sit there and farm creep in lane, then go win team fights with your BF sword. And I'm talking you have no freaking idea how to play the champion, constantly hit wrong keys etc. The only game I got crushed was a 2v1 lane (Olaf/GP) where my jungle never came the entire game. I've always felt that the only way to truly beat Riven in lane is to run a 2v1 lane against her.

I'm saying this not because I'm a good player (I'm only ~1500), but because I'm NOT a top player, nor do I play top lane, and I can pick up Riven and have better success on her than on my mains after 3-4 games.

I'm pretty sure I have enough experience as Riven to not need your advice, but ok. My Riven stats are good enough to prove that I do know how to play her.

My point was not that you're going to be useless for the rest of the game but that you'll have a hard time until BT+GA. That's how I felt when I lost my lane, but that may also be the fact that my team doesn't know who to focus and I end up dying a lot because I go for the carries. I felt pretty useless with BT constantly resetting and lacking the damage.


My bad, the "you" was a generic you. I wasn't talking to you in particular. I'm just saying her power curve at all stages of the game are a bit nuts. My response was more saying that, while she's hard to play at the top level and for players completely new to the game, any average player can pick her up and do amazingly well.

Ok, yes the last part is true, but the problem with Riven is learning the matchups, since she has no sustain you need to react to your opponent. I thought Riven auto counters Garen so I started cloth 5 once vs boots 3 and that garen mopped the floors with me because I delayed my boots too much to rush wriggles. Next time I will open boots 3 regardless of Garen's opening. I got a few more instances but you get the opponent.

So again, yes Riven is easy to pickup but she's also very complex.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 13 2011 18:07 GMT
#303
On December 14 2011 02:58 sob3k wrote:
How do you guys build Lux when playing as a support.

I've been going dring/philo/dring/boots/kage/dcap and upping to CD boots.

Just wondering what other people do, although nobody seems to play lux...

And that leaves you with 0 ward slots.

I could imagine 2 approaches:
1) "rush" Morello's
2) "rush" Reverie
Both with CDR boots and followed by Deathcap.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 13 2011 18:09 GMT
#304
On December 14 2011 03:05 Deltablazy wrote:
Ok, yes the last part is true, but the problem with Riven is learning the matchups, since she has no sustain you need to react to your opponent. I thought Riven auto counters Garen so I started cloth 5 once vs boots 3 and that garen mopped the floors with me because I delayed my boots too much to rush wriggles. Next time I will open boots 3 regardless of Garen's opening. I got a few more instances but you get the opponent.

So again, yes Riven is easy to pickup but she's also very complex.

What? Cloth 5pot IS the correct opening against Garen on Riven.
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Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 18:11:29
December 13 2011 18:11 GMT
#305
On December 14 2011 03:07 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 02:58 sob3k wrote:
How do you guys build Lux when playing as a support.

I've been going dring/philo/dring/boots/kage/dcap and upping to CD boots.

Just wondering what other people do, although nobody seems to play lux...

And that leaves you with 0 ward slots.

I could imagine 2 approaches:
1) "rush" Morello's
2) "rush" Reverie
Both with CDR boots and followed by Deathcap.

Yah this is what I do.

I usually try to open philo, (both regens are great because I play kinda stupidly aggressive with lux and end up taking damage and using lots of mana), then boots and 1 d-ring, and then morellos asap. Morellos + cdr boots maxes your CDR perfectly. After that, just build a deathcap or something.

Maxing CDR and having the mana to spam your spells makes you a lot more useful than having spells that hit slightly harder. Especially in teamfights.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 13 2011 18:15 GMT
#306
On December 14 2011 02:41 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 02:41 spinesheath wrote:
They didn't fix the single target spell red buff thing yet?

I thought that was an intentional change.

It says on the tool tip, on auto attacks and direct damage spells, so yeah it was intentional
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 13 2011 18:18 GMT
#307
On December 14 2011 03:00 genericname92 wrote:
Anyone else feel like spell vamp quints are a bad idea? I mean kennen's hard enough to lane against once he gets his revolver, now he gets to enter lane with 6% spell vamp for infinite sustain at level 1.


they have spell vamp quints now?

lmao yeah that sounds like bullshit..
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
December 13 2011 18:18 GMT
#308
On December 14 2011 03:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:05 Deltablazy wrote:
Ok, yes the last part is true, but the problem with Riven is learning the matchups, since she has no sustain you need to react to your opponent. I thought Riven auto counters Garen so I started cloth 5 once vs boots 3 and that garen mopped the floors with me because I delayed my boots too much to rush wriggles. Next time I will open boots 3 regardless of Garen's opening. I got a few more instances but you get the opponent.

So again, yes Riven is easy to pickup but she's also very complex.

What? Cloth 5pot IS the correct opening against Garen on Riven.

I agree that it is, but it feels more riskier to me. If Garen lands that silence, you'll end up taking dmg from E. I feel like boots opening into tabi gives you more freedom.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 13 2011 18:21 GMT
#309
Mordekaiser gets buffed, and he gets spellvamp quints. Looks like he's #1 again.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
December 13 2011 18:45 GMT
#310
On December 14 2011 03:18 Deltablazy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:09 TheYango wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:05 Deltablazy wrote:
Ok, yes the last part is true, but the problem with Riven is learning the matchups, since she has no sustain you need to react to your opponent. I thought Riven auto counters Garen so I started cloth 5 once vs boots 3 and that garen mopped the floors with me because I delayed my boots too much to rush wriggles. Next time I will open boots 3 regardless of Garen's opening. I got a few more instances but you get the opponent.

So again, yes Riven is easy to pickup but she's also very complex.

What? Cloth 5pot IS the correct opening against Garen on Riven.

I agree that it is, but it feels more riskier to me. If Garen lands that silence, you'll end up taking dmg from E. I feel like boots opening into tabi gives you more freedom.


You're going to eat all the ticks of his E because his Q gives him movespeed anyway...cloth will mitigate the damage, while boots won't. You should be stunning him and backing off before he can hit Q on you.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
December 13 2011 18:47 GMT
#311
Never in my life have I heard someone claim boots 3 pot to be a safer opening against a Garen then cloth 5 pot.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 13 2011 18:48 GMT
#312
On December 14 2011 01:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.


yes, it would appear that he is manaless, based on the fact that one of his augments gives him additional mana
because manaless champs really need +200 mana
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 13 2011 18:51 GMT
#313
On December 14 2011 03:48 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.


yes, it would appear that he is manaless, based on the fact that one of his augments gives him additional mana
because manaless champs really need +200 mana

Too much hate!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 13 2011 18:54 GMT
#314
On December 14 2011 03:51 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:48 gtrsrs wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.


yes, it would appear that he is manaless, based on the fact that one of his augments gives him additional mana
because manaless champs really need +200 mana

Too much hate!

Personally I like how he skipped over the post later that page where I was laughing at myself for not putting the 2 together.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 13 2011 18:55 GMT
#315
On December 14 2011 03:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:51 mordek wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:48 gtrsrs wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.


yes, it would appear that he is manaless, based on the fact that one of his augments gives him additional mana
because manaless champs really need +200 mana

Too much hate!

Personally I like how he skipped over the post later that page where I was laughing at myself for not putting the 2 together.

Not surprising. It's all good ^^
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 18:56:11
December 13 2011 18:55 GMT
#316
Anyone have a full list of new runes + stats yet? Let me know so I can edit such info into the OP.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 13 2011 18:56 GMT
#317
On December 14 2011 03:54 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:51 mordek wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:48 gtrsrs wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Apparently Vicktor is manaless, at least based on the stat growth patterns.


yes, it would appear that he is manaless, based on the fact that one of his augments gives him additional mana
because manaless champs really need +200 mana

Too much hate!

Personally I like how he skipped over the post later that page where I was laughing at myself for not putting the 2 together.


? you want me to read MORE of your posts?
now that there's a precedent of warning someone just for being dumb i think you'd want me to skip reading your posts

On December 13 2011 16:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
I've warned TheBJ for the inane idea that Kass counters AD champions during laning phase.

i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
December 13 2011 18:58 GMT
#318
I assumed it was less because he was wrong, and more that he was parading his wrongness by acting like a gigantic douche.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
December 13 2011 18:59 GMT
#319
settle down ladies, no one cares about this shit, let it go.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 13 2011 19:00 GMT
#320
On December 14 2011 03:58 Juicyfruit wrote:
I assumed it was less because he was wrong, and more that he was parading his wrongness by acting like a gigantic douche.

Where you be lately? I want more tap rage in my life.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
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