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On December 14 2011 03:55 Ryalnos wrote:
Anyone have a full list of new runes + stats yet? Let me know so I can edit such info into the OP.
The runes were listed on page 11, and prices on page 12. But for your convenience:
Quintessences
2% Life Steal (2050 IP per)
2% Spell Vamp (2050 IP per)
1.5% Health (2050 IP per)
2.0 APen + 1.13 MPen (2050 IP per)
Marks
1 APen + 0.57 MPen (820 IP per)
Seals
0.5% Health (820 IP per)
0.25 gp10 (410 IP per)
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On December 14 2011 03:59 Mogwai wrote:
settle down ladies, no one cares about this shit, let it go.
Poll: how sexy is smashgizbroi bet he plays flaco in melee (14) 70% i want his babies (6) 30% 20 total votes Your vote: how sexy is smashgizbro (Vote): i want his babies
(Vote): i bet he plays flaco in melee
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On December 14 2011 04:02 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:55 Ryalnos wrote:
Anyone have a full list of new runes + stats yet? Let me know so I can edit such info into the OP. The runes were listed on page 11, and prices on page 12. But for your convenience: Quintessences2% Life Steal (2050 IP per) 2% Spell Vamp (2050 IP per) 1.5% Health (2050 IP per) 2.0 APen + 1.13 MPen (2050 IP per) Marks1 APen + 0.57 MPen (820 IP per) Seals0.5% Health (820 IP per) 0.25 gp10 (410 IP per)
Damn, thought I had kept up on most every page of this thread - thanks!
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On December 14 2011 04:02 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:55 Ryalnos wrote:
Anyone have a full list of new runes + stats yet? Let me know so I can edit such info into the OP. The runes were listed on page 11, and prices on page 12. But for your convenience: Quintessences2% Life Steal (2050 IP per) 2% Spell Vamp (2050 IP per) 1.5% Health (2050 IP per) 2.0 APen + 1.13 MPen (2050 IP per) Marks1 APen + 0.57 MPen (820 IP per) Seals0.5% Health (820 IP per) 0.25 gp10 (410 IP per)
Here's some cursory analysis I posted on Smashboards regarding the efficiency of the new runes:
Hybrid Pen is as expected. Roughly 60% the ArPen of equivalent ArPen runes, and 60% the MPen of equivalent MPen runes, so if you're really using both stats quite a bit, you have an approximate 20% gain in efficiency. Not sure if this is really worth it on any characters to be honest.
HP % runes are weird. Comparing the seals, you're looking at % HP Seals out performing HP/level Seals when you have more than 216 HP/level. This is obviously true at level 1. But by level 18, you'd need 3888 for the %HP to outperform HP/level. If you're comparing them to flat HP seals, they don't catch up until you have 1070 HP. So basically they fall somewhere in between the early game of flat HP seals and the late game of scaling HP seals. Essentially I can't envision a scenario where these are actually a good idea. On Quints, the comparison is even worse compared to flat HP Quints, where the % HP Quints don't catch up until 1733 HP. Scaling HP Quints have a worse comparison, where the % HP Quints break even at 180 HP/level, but that's still a 3240 HP break even point at level 18. Summary: Flat HP is better if you want early game HP, Scaling HP is typically better in late game scenarios, leaving % HP runes mostly useless until you hit a midgame warmog's, where it will be slightly higher. This would beg the question of why the **** are you speccing HP on your runes if you're rushing warmog's though, just get resistances and you're better off in that scenario.
Gold/10 Seals aren't as efficient as Gold/10 Quints. They're 1/4 the value, while the oppurtunity cost of stats with their primary in seals (regen, armor, hp) compared to quints is roughly 1/3. If you're investing heavily in Gold/10 anyway, I guess they're probably still worth it, but they'll take 31 minutes of work to catch up to the value of flat armor seals, so if you need armor anyway, they're very tough to justify.
Lifesteal Quints are technically worth a bit less than Flat AD/AS Quints, but they're still worth a lot. For reference, Flat AD = 92.25, Flat AS = 95.2, Lifesteal = 75. Considering that lifesteal is kinda a pain in the *** to spec for though, I think it's pretty hard to argue with 12% lifesteal off of a dblade start, especially if you're laning with a support without a heal. Definitely worth consideration because of the build paths they open up.
Spell vamp on the other hand is a lot harder to quantify. I'd say they're probably not worth it unless you're doing something cheesy where you go into lane with 9% spell vamp off of runes and masteries, but hell, that sounds gay as balls on Kennen, so yea...
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Real typo, d nasty stix girl.
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No I bet he plays Flaco
Fucking Flaco
edit: PM me scrub
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On December 14 2011 03:09 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:05 Deltablazy wrote:
Ok, yes the last part is true, but the problem with Riven is learning the matchups, since she has no sustain you need to react to your opponent. I thought Riven auto counters Garen so I started cloth 5 once vs boots 3 and that garen mopped the floors with me because I delayed my boots too much to rush wriggles. Next time I will open boots 3 regardless of Garen's opening. I got a few more instances but you get the opponent.
So again, yes Riven is easy to pickup but she's also very complex.
What? Cloth 5pot IS the correct opening against Garen on Riven.
Yeah I was confused by this too.
Anyway back to the Riven comment - she's one of the small subset of champions that has strong lane presence and is a hypercarry. If they send Garen to "counter", just start cloth+5 and farm, and 20 min later you're infinitely more useful than Garen. If they send Nasus, you zone him (if not outright kill him), force their jungler to camp top, and have just as strong of a lategame anyway. There are very few champions who can be of comparable power curves (on the top of my head I can only think of Trynd, Olaf, Wukong), and she has very few bad matchups in lane. The only real counter from what I've seen is a 2v1 lane, which happened to Westrice last month (I think against dignitas? forgot exact game).
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winter map back
AP sivir back
unichan back
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I hate the winter map, it hurts my eyes and makes chat unreadable unless you darker the box a ton which obstructs the screen.
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On December 14 2011 03:47 Craton wrote:
Never in my life have I heard someone claim boots 3 pot to be a safer opening against a Garen then cloth 5 pot.
For teemo it is!!
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boots safest vs. Garen with ranged champions. cloth safest vs. Garen on melee champions. dblade safest vs. Garen on Pantheon, huehuehue.
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gold seals so expensive. I thought they would be in the 200ip range since the gold quints are the cheapest quints in the game.
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Now, I played a game as yorick against garen yesterday and basically shat on his face. I basically could outheal his damage on q-e, even with a meki opening.
Is that normal or was that garen just shit?
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On December 14 2011 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
boots safest vs. Garen with ranged champions. cloth safest vs. Garen on melee champions. dblade safest vs. Garen on Pantheon, huehuehue.
pantheon easily most hilarious champ top. its funny how many ppl try to 1v1 u at lvl 1, and just get crushed every time.
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On December 14 2011 04:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Now, I played a game as yorick against garen yesterday and basically shat on his face. I basically could outheal his damage on q-e, even with a meki opening.
Is that normal or was that garen just shit?
Yorick does that to.......everything. D:
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On December 14 2011 04:32 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Now, I played a game as yorick against garen yesterday and basically shat on his face. I basically could outheal his damage on q-e, even with a meki opening.
Is that normal or was that garen just shit? Yorick does that to.......everything. D:
Ya, but I was under the impression that Garen was a terror top, so I wasnt sure.
So Trynd still the only champ that beats yorick top.
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Splitpen runes better than the other options for yorik?
Can't Nasus just q farm the yorik minions and end up beind scarier late game?
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i saw chaox pick ali on his smurf account and go triforce, IE, PD and just wreck fools. he was like 17-5. gonna try that on yorick.
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On December 14 2011 04:30 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
boots safest vs. Garen with ranged champions. cloth safest vs. Garen on melee champions. dblade safest vs. Garen on Pantheon, huehuehue. pantheon easily most hilarious champ top. its funny how many ppl try to 1v1 u at lvl 1, and just get crushed every time.
I've started doing it as well. I've gotten so many lvl 1 first bloods. They're like "oh man, that spear hurt, i'll attack any way to trade. fuck a block! well, just one more atta-OMG ANOTHER SPEAR RUN AWAY" ignite dead...
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On December 14 2011 04:33 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:32 BlackPaladin wrote:On December 14 2011 04:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Now, I played a game as yorick against garen yesterday and basically shat on his face. I basically could outheal his damage on q-e, even with a meki opening.
Is that normal or was that garen just shit? Yorick does that to.......everything. D: Ya, but I was under the impression that Garen was a terror top, so I wasnt sure. So Trynd still the only champ that beats yorick top.
Pantheon. lol.
Otherwise yeah just open cloth+5 and farm. If you don't have sustain by the time he gets tear/manamune it's going to be a long, long game for you.
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