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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 13 2011 20:22 GMT
#361
On December 14 2011 05:17 triangle wrote:
Did draft mode normals vanish for anyone else? I don't have them as an option anymore

yea I noticed that as well
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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 13 2011 20:24 GMT
#362
I don't know if spell vamp quints are THAT good on Kennen. For the first few levels, when your base damage is low, 9% is worth about 5 to 10 hp/5 if you're constantly throwing Qs, or pretty similar to hp regen quints. It's only later on that it really make you impossible to push out of lane, about the time that you would get a revolver anyways.

Granted, you'll be extremely obnoxious if you have revolver and the quints, but I think Kennen has a pretty dominant game right from level 1 and AP quints lets you really abuse it. I think the spell vamp would be better on someone like Vlad who just wants to survive as long as possible until level 7 or 9.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
December 13 2011 20:28 GMT
#363
On December 14 2011 05:24 starfries wrote:
Granted, you'll be extremely obnoxious if you have revolver and the quints, but I think Kennen has a pretty dominant game right from level 1 and AP quints lets you really abuse it.


You sure? I think that's very dependent on what champion he is laning against. I also think the idea of having the extra vamp stacked onto my wota sounds pritty nice.. but I dunno how much 6% will really change things.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#364
On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big...

She's still as viable as ever.
liftlift > tsm
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
December 13 2011 20:29 GMT
#365
On December 14 2011 05:20 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:17 triangle wrote:
Did draft mode normals vanish for anyone else? I don't have them as an option anymore


Looks like they're disabled temporarily.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1591651

Missed that, thank you.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 13 2011 20:33 GMT
#366
On December 14 2011 05:28 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:24 starfries wrote:
Granted, you'll be extremely obnoxious if you have revolver and the quints, but I think Kennen has a pretty dominant game right from level 1 and AP quints lets you really abuse it.


You sure? I think that's very dependent on what champion he is laning against. I also think the idea of having the extra vamp stacked onto my wota sounds pritty nice.. but I dunno how much 6% will really change things.

It's very matchup dependent, but I find that against mana based champions, a lot of people don't want to waste mana trading level 1 spells with you when they could save mana for trading higher level spells later on. Having the AP quints makes it more painful for them if they take free harass.
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 13 2011 20:36 GMT
#367
On December 14 2011 05:28 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:24 starfries wrote:
Granted, you'll be extremely obnoxious if you have revolver and the quints, but I think Kennen has a pretty dominant game right from level 1 and AP quints lets you really abuse it.


You sure? I think that's very dependent on what champion he is laning against. I also think the idea of having the extra vamp stacked onto my wota sounds pritty nice.. but I dunno how much 6% will really change things.


Ever been in that situation where you just barely died?

Kennen likes being in the middle of the fighting, and the extra oomph provided by AP quints is marginal at best, having that little bit of extra survivability will be nice indeed
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
December 13 2011 20:39 GMT
#368
Runes are for laming anyways I don't see myself getting vamp quints on any ap mids.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
December 13 2011 20:41 GMT
#369
Just about as often as I've been in that situation where something just barely didn't die.

6% spellvamp is only about 5-10 hp from low level Kennen Q's, so its early laning effect is marginal. Later once he starts doing real damage is when the vamp really kicks in. Flat AP is geared more toward earlygame, but it's really been the only viable option for mages for some time. It strikes me as a choice of early strength vs mid/late strength.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2011 20:44 GMT
#370
On December 14 2011 05:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Runes are for laming anyways I don't see myself getting vamp quints on any ap mids.

Ryze, maybe.... and maybe kennen?
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 13 2011 20:44 GMT
#371
Does it occur to you that sometimes when you report somebody, you get the pop-up that "a mail has been sent, blabla" but the icon doesn't turn from red to gray as if you didn't report at all? Do you know if the player's still reported when that happens?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 13 2011 20:45 GMT
#372
Mordekaiser is #1 spell vamp quint candidate. Why is everybody leaving Mordekaiser out of this discussion about vamp quints?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:46:08
December 13 2011 20:45 GMT
#373
I'd still rather movespeed on Ryze. Champs that would consider spell vamp are probably the ones who don't use mana, just to maximize their obnoxiousness. I'm looking at you Vlad/Rumble.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
December 13 2011 20:49 GMT
#374
Vlad, rumble, and kennen were my first thoughts too. Akali kind of needs the flat AP quints for her passive though. :<
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#375
Clearly Spell Vamp quints are the way to go on Ashe: Heal with Volley ftw!
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:56:13
December 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#376
On December 14 2011 05:45 Craton wrote:
I'd still rather movespeed on Ryze. Champs that would consider spell vamp are probably the ones who don't use mana, just to maximize their obnoxiousness. I'm looking at you Vlad/Rumble.

I'd rather stack vlad with the new %health runes than spell vamp.
You get revolver on your first blue pill anyways.
Cackle™
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:55:30
December 13 2011 20:54 GMT
#377
AP mid is a volatile lane and a lot of the time having the extra burst damage during a gank or simply being able to kill the other person first or at least the threat of it is what wins the lane. It's sort of the same reason that you need ignite.

I can see vamp quints working on top lane AP champs like Morde and Rumble where any extra sustain is really welcome. I would take the spell vamp going top as Kennen also, but for mid I think you really need the AP. And Vlad is a special case since he works a lot like a top lane champ.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:56:38
December 13 2011 20:55 GMT
#378
You run hp/lvl seals on Vlad anyway. AP quints are outright better on vlad than HP quints. But spellvamp might work too now. Don't know until you really try it out. We're just theorycrafting here right now. >.>

% health is just mathematically dumb atm. They're really shitty runes from what I can see atm. =/
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
December 13 2011 20:56 GMT
#379
On December 14 2011 05:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 05:16 red_ wrote:
Where were these hybrid penetration runes when Kayle was so big...

She's still as viable as ever.


Considering that she used to be the unquestioned #1 champ in the game(immediately after first rework) I'm going to go ahead and say no, she's not anywhere close to 'as viable as ever.' Even if you are of the (wrong) view that she is a 'strong' carry right now, 'as viable as ever' implies she is currently at a state that matches her best, which is certainly untrue.

Of course I could've just laughed and pointed out how she's really not in a good place right now, but that's less fun.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
December 13 2011 20:58 GMT
#380
She was pretty strong up until they reworked her and made it so nobody ever played her (again), lol.
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