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On November 02 2011 12:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:18 TheYango wrote:On November 02 2011 11:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Fanboyism aside, I don't see why any team would ever not follow the rules of the tournament and take a second chance at getting to the grand finals of a huge event. Even if CLG pulled this off I could see why they did it and not blame them for it. Dignitas was respectful about it when they thought CDE was going to Korea. After the rules were changed and they had a second chance they took it and I'd think they (or anybody else) were idiots if they didn't. There's no moral highground here where you give the spot to CDE just because WCG changed the format. If CDE really wanted to go to Korea they would have practiced and had some teamwork in another of those games and completely shit all over Dignitas. They absolutely dominated them no question about it in the second game when they were working together. Everything fell apart though and they ended up losing. I'll say this for the 3rd time. I don't give a shit about the fact that they took the low-hanging fruit, and jumped on their opportunity to go to Korea. Many other teams would have taken it as well. I do care that they did it with smiling faces and putting on the facade of being good-mannered and respectful. Don't word your congratulations in that situation in such a way that you sound like you're going to take CDE's side if WCG rules against them. You make yourself out to be their friend, and then take the opportunity to send them home when it's given to you--that's worse than just saying "fuck you CDE, we're going to Korea" from the start. I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this whole fiasco in the first place because I don't care to read conspiracy theories, but the only "bad manner" thing I've seen so far is that voyboy post and that was made prior to the rule change if I'm not mistaken. Congratulating them on advancing and then the rules changing is hardly putting on a facade of being good-mannered. Again if they had something to do with it I'll change my position immediately, but unless there's evidence I could care less about all the conspiracy theories. If they really have been throughout the ordeal besides that one message I haven't seen it so I remain ignorant. The way I see it say me and you are playing a best of 3 series. You take the series 2-1 and I admit defeat and tell you to have a good time in Korea. However, a week later admins realize I came from the Winner Bracket and that it should have been two best of 3 series since you took the first series. I win the second best of 3 series and win the trip to Korea instead. Am I supposed to forfeit and give you the trip to Korea just because I was nice before when I thought you had won and you really hadn't? My opinion is that I shouldn't. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:21 overt wrote:On November 02 2011 12:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On November 02 2011 11:48 overt wrote:On November 02 2011 11:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
While they got shafted by WCG, I don't think CDE earned it by playing that badly in the second go at Dignitas. In a lot of ways they were the stronger team, but they couldn't execute for that series and now they aren't going to Korea. One could make the case, and in fact I'm going to make the case, that Dignitas doesn't deserve to go for how poorly they played against CDE in the original finals. Moreover, they were in no way a stronger team lol. They are all very good players but they aren't a team. They practiced once before and came into the Dignitas match fully expecting to lose. That's part of the reason they were so thrilled because they didn't expect to win. How you can say CDE doesn't deserve it because of how poorly they played on Sunday but Dignitas somehow does deserve it even though they played poorly during the first set of finals is beyond me. In a double elimination bracket each team has the opportunity to get knocked out twice. Ignoring that those weren't the original rules and that no LoL tournament ever has done that, sure. You do realize that if on the day of the original finals had Dignitas won a single game they would've claimed victory and this whole thing probably wouldn't be happening. CDE followed the rules and then got fucked over when Dignitas appealed to a WCG admin which resulted in the rules being changed. I just...can't understand how anyone thinks Dignitas deserves to have qualified lol. Until you prove that the rules were amended for because of the intel sponsorship Dignitas has or any of those others it's all conspiracy bullshit. There was definitely some strange things going on the rules change, but that's completely WCG. If the WCG admins and MattMarcou are really that incompetent and can't follow the rules they laid out then you should be focusing on them instead of Dignitas. This whole thing could not be happening, but it is. Whether those are the actual rules or not we'll never know and I really doubt WCG or MattMarcou is ever going to release a full story so... Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:36 BlackMagister wrote:Fanboyism aside, I don't see why any team would ever not follow the rules of the tournament and take a second chance at getting to the grand finals of a huge event. Even if CLG pulled this off I could see why they did it and not blame them for it. Dignitas was respectful about it when they thought CDE was going to Korea. After the rules were changed and they had a second chance they took it and I'd think they (or anybody else) were idiots if they didn't. There's no moral highground here where you give the spot to CDE just because WCG changed the format. If CDE really wanted to go to Korea they would have practiced and had some teamwork in another of those games and completely shit all over Dignitas. They absolutely dominated them no question about it in the second game when they were working together. Everything fell apart though and they ended up losing.
While they got shafted by WCG, I don't think CDE earned it by playing that badly in the second go at Dignitas. In a lot of ways they were the stronger team, but they couldn't execute for that series and now they aren't going to Korea. Maybe all of you are perfect good Samaritans who always do the right thing. If opportunity presents itself and I'm not breaking the law I'm going to exploit whatever advantage I can get. Unless somebody can prove that conspiracy where WCG actually did bend the rules because of the intel sponsorship or some other serious monkey business I don't see how you can fault Dignitas for trying to win. If you're lawful good I can see why you'd think otherwise, but that isn't how life works.
And if Dignitas really wanted to make it to Korea they wouldn't have lost 2-0 in the original WCG USA finals, I mean all they had to do was win one game because they had a 1 game advantage. And if they didn't want to lose a lot of fans and gain negative press they wouldn't have taken the rematch and just respected the original rules. WCG only changed their rules based on false information from Voyboy so Dignitas isn't free from blame either. But yeah Dignitas took the rematch chance and now have to deal with PR backlash. I don't see how people can think WCG only changed the their rules based on false information. If the rules were posted wrong the rules were posted wrong so it was fixed. I guess in the end it comes down to which rules you believe should be followed. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:37 arb wrote:On November 02 2011 11:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:My thoughts on Dragon Lady after buying her and playing one game: I laned top versus Renekton. He was bad and traded poorly so I got ahead. Rushed wriggles so I could sustain and free farmed in lane. Whenever you get ganked you can just R 1000 range and get away. Very good for diving onto the enemy carries since you can R over to them in a teamfight. I went with a Wit's End into Atmogs because we got pretty far ahead early on so I could safely tank out with atmogs. Basically dive onto their squishies every fight and smash them. You're really good at chasing them down with W. That MS boost is insane plus you do plenty of burst damage by facerolling your keyboard. + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 08:50 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 08:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On November 02 2011 08:16 TheYango wrote:On November 02 2011 08:08 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Except if the call is actually wrong (and it was changed so clearly it was) then CDE haven't won that spot to Korea yet and Dignitas has fair game to contest it in the first place. They did and took that series 2-1 and are going to Korea. Just because the outcome isn't what you wanted it to be doesn't put Dignitas at fault. WCG changed the rules and Dignitas followed them.
Like I said, I'm not faulting Dignitas for questioning the decision. I am faulting them for their attitude the whole way through (including their poor attitude about the situation when CDE questioned Jatt's eligibility to play for Dignitas due to him playing in the Canadian qualifier). If you really want to question the rules, then don't wish your opponents luck in their trip to Korea. Because then you look like a huge two-faced ass when you're the ones going to Korea instead. "We are confident that CDE will indeed be going to Korea to represent the United States"...not so much now. They were confident at the time. However, WCG changed the rules they followed them and now they're going to Korea. What are they supposed to do: give CDE their spot even though they won the right to go to Korea because they said it before? I don't think that's there's a good decision to make here. You're picking the lesser of evils and going to Korea is that evil. Sucks to be CDE. Look, I know you are a fan of Dignitas and I'm not going to give you flak for it; I'm a blindfanboy for MJY and even now I would basically defend him knowing full well what he did. In this case though, the way I see it, Voyboy's post implies that he knowledges CDE deserved the win. Having, he then goes on to play the 2nd set anyways, which is basically saying "I know it's wrong to do this, but we're going to do it anyways". Another way to look at it is that Voyboy tries to score PR points by being well-mannered, and then turns heel as soon as he gets the chance. Calling him two-faced is perfectly valid. Fanboyism aside, I don't see why any team would ever not follow the rules of the tournament and take a second chance at getting to the grand finals of a huge event. Even if CLG pulled this off I could see why they did it and not blame them for it. Dignitas was respectful about it when they thought CDE was going to Korea. After the rules were changed and they had a second chance they took it and I'd think they (or anybody else) were idiots if they didn't. There's no moral highground here where you give the spot to CDE just because WCG changed the format. If CDE really wanted to go to Korea they would have practiced and had some teamwork in another of those games and completely shit all over Dignitas. They absolutely dominated them no question about it in the second game when they were working together. Everything fell apart though and they ended up losing. While they got shafted by WCG, I don't think CDE earned it by playing that badly in the second go at Dignitas. In a lot of ways they were the stronger team, but they couldn't execute for that series and now they aren't going to Korea. Maybe all of you are perfect good Samaritans who always do the right thing. If opportunity presents itself and I'm not breaking the law I'm going to exploit whatever advantage I can get. Unless somebody can prove that conspiracy where WCG actually did bend the rules because of the intel sponsorship or some other serious monkey business I don't see how you can fault Dignitas for trying to win. If you're lawful good I can see why you'd think otherwise, but that isn't how life works. Played vs her as Udyr earlier, im not sure she can trade all that well, mostly just ignored her and tried to farm, and if she wanted to have a go id fight her and she'd get really low. She does a ridiculous amount of damage with no items though Until she gets wriggles she really can't compete with the sustain champions up top. I only beat that Renekton because he tried to trade with me when I had a huge pile of minions. If he wasn't awful I definitely wouldn't have survived even opening cloth 5 although I don't have a super armor stack page, just flat seals.
Both teams agreed to a one game advantage for the team from the winner bracket. This is how many LoL finals are done, when a winner bracket is implemented. That's actually the issue that is ignored the most. Whenever someone is trying to defend Dignitas, they always fail to mention that they had a one game advantage going into the set CDE won.
This should clarify for you why the community is outraged. I believe for the sake of "consistency" the CA qualifier was changed to two games in order to win, which means the Canadian qualifiers would have to win one more game. They changed what was a consistent ruling to one that was blatantly inconsistent.
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On November 02 2011 11:57 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:50 Kenpachi wrote:
her teamfighting is just bullshit lol I think it is supposed to be. She was designed as a beefy tank type, but since she has no CC there needs to be a reason to attack her. I don't even think she has that great of burst, just decent HP and the ability to slowly wittle you down. In teamfights she gets utterly shutdown by say an Ali headbutt. My bet is she is one of those champs that gets insta banned at low ELO's and never gets picked at higher ELOs. Think Tryndamere.
tryd is very strong , shyv isnt.
Voyboy rocked sk with tryd , then they had to ban him , expect more tryd in finals.
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Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.
I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.
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On November 02 2011 12:09 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:05 demonik187 wrote:
Having no CC can be alleviated by taking exhaust and/or building a mallet, randuins, or rylai's etc. Laugh if you want, but a rylai's is decent for her since most of her aoe in dragon form is magic damage and keeps them in your burnout longer. Tanky hybrid is what seems to work best for her imo, but I've only played a few games with her. 12/1/5 is my best, but the opposing team was trash and my build was sorc boots, madreds and last whisper :/ Flying into a team fight with your w on and spamming q and e while the whole teams health plummets is so satisfying. I don't understand your build at all. Why would you build Sorcs, Madreds, and Last Whisper? What other items did you have?
Sorcs because 3 out of 4 of her abilites do magic damage and the two attack items I built had magic damage components. Madreds because it was a tanky team, I wanted the attack speed, and the double proc from q is nice. And I meant wit's end not last whisper, sorry. That was for attack speed and the MR which I lacked, also for the double proc from q. I also had a giant's belt and that's all I was able to build before the team surrendered. Please keep in mind that this build was just testing, however, it did seem to work well.
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On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.
I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.
First off, the original rules for WCG qualifiers state that the team going in from winner's bracket has a 1 game advantage in a best of 3 set. Which means Dignitas entered the match 1-0. CDE has to, and did, win 2 takes in a row to qualify.
The fact that it was "miscommunicated" that it was a best of 3 sets with Dignitas having a one set advantage is just utter bullshit. No tournament in the history of any fucking esports makes you play a best of 3 sets. That's a maximum of 9 games, minimum of 4. That's just fuckign retarded.
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i've realized im awful at this game and can't carry a feather
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On November 02 2011 13:09 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.
I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic. First off, the original rules for WCG qualifiers state that the team going in from winner's bracket has a 1 game advantage in a best of 3 set. Which means Dignitas entered the match 1-0. CDE has to, and did, win 2 takes in a row to qualify. The fact that it was "miscommunicated" that it was a best of 3 sets with Dignitas having a one set advantage is just utter bullshit. No tournament in the history of any fucking esports makes you play a best of 3 sets. That's a maximum of 9 games, minimum of 4. That's just fuckign retarded.
I've never seen this three sets thing. I thought it was just stand double elim bracket with Dignitas being in the winner's bracket so they get two chances. Triple best of three makes absolutely zero sense and they'd still need to play another set then since Dignitas only won the first one...
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wit's end makes a billion times more sense than LW, im pretty sure most just assumed it was a typo.
Well... maybe not a billion, cause a billion times zero is still zero... but you get what i mean,
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Serious business discussion and emo QQ lol. There is a QQ thread for that and LoL section could use an E-Sports general discussion thread or at least a thread should be made for each tourney since the WCG thing has become massive.
I'll pull a 2nd part of an edited post from the last page since it was lost among the other discussion.
What are opinions on Xerath. TheOddOne is currently thinking he is OP saying so in every match Xerath is in and Loci kind of agreed after getting killed by him in a game that is going on atm. OddOne complaining about how you can't dodge his skills at all and only a few heroes really countering Xerath like Lebanc and Kassadin.
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On November 02 2011 12:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this whole fiasco in the first place because I don't care to read conspiracy theories, but the only "bad manner" thing I've seen so far is that voyboy post and that was made prior to the rule change if I'm not mistaken. Congratulating them on advancing and then the rules changing is hardly putting on a facade of being good-mannered. Again if they had something to do with it I'll change my position immediately, but unless there's evidence I could care less about all the conspiracy theories. If they really have been throughout the ordeal besides that one message I haven't seen it so I remain ignorant.
It was made after the WCG admin's original response that they needed to play another set, but before the final statement made after Riot's intervention.
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On November 02 2011 13:13 Dgiese wrote:
wit's end makes a billion times more sense than LW, im pretty sure most just assumed it was a typo.
Well... maybe not a billion, cause a billion times zero is still zero... but you get what i mean,
Haha yeah, to be fair that's a pretty big typo on my part. Not sure how I got them mixed up..
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On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, both teams agreed to the initial rules. It was understood by both CDE and Dignitas that Dignitas only needed to win 1 game whereas CDE needed to win two to go to Korea. This was in accordance to the posted rules. It was clear for all players involved and there weren't any questions.
The next day Voyboy emailed a WCG admin because an unknown person (who still hasn't been named) informed Voyboy that the CA qualifiers were played in sets rather than with the one game advantage (this wasn't true). My only problem with this is that rather than talk to CDE first about it he went straight to an admin and only talked to CDE when a WCG admin told him they would need to play another set. I don't understand why, when he was told this misinformation, he didn't just talk to CDE about it as they could have easily clarified that CA did not play more than a single game.
If we count all games for the tournament CDE has 4 wins and Dignitas has 4 wins. I mean, we could decide to use MLG extended series rules, in which case the two teams are still tied!
The main annoyance is that WCG changed their rules. I don't believe they intended it to be what they claim due to the fact that it took them two days after this was initially discussed to make that claim and also from listening to Matt Marcou on State of the League who claimed, "they said the finals could be played either way." It just doesn't add up at all. What I believe happened was that WCG acted on misinformation and didn't want to revert their initial ruling that they gave Voyboy.
It could have all been avoided if Voyboy just talked to CDE about it to clarify what actually happened in the CDE qualifiers. The thing I want more than anything is some sort of clarification on who this mystery person was that informed Voyboy that CA had two sets. It'd also be nice to see some sort of apology to CDE for all of the shenanigans from WCG.
On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.
I only fault Dignitas for not going to CDE first, for attempting to get a second chance in a finals they lost (kind of scummy behavior imo), and for trying to act well mannered. I also don't really like the way they talked to CDE about the Jatt stuff but that was well over a week ago so w/e.
On November 02 2011 13:07 demonik187 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 12:09 overt wrote:On November 02 2011 12:05 demonik187 wrote:
Having no CC can be alleviated by taking exhaust and/or building a mallet, randuins, or rylai's etc. Laugh if you want, but a rylai's is decent for her since most of her aoe in dragon form is magic damage and keeps them in your burnout longer. Tanky hybrid is what seems to work best for her imo, but I've only played a few games with her. 12/1/5 is my best, but the opposing team was trash and my build was sorc boots, madreds and last whisper :/ Flying into a team fight with your w on and spamming q and e while the whole teams health plummets is so satisfying. I don't understand your build at all. Why would you build Sorcs, Madreds, and Last Whisper? What other items did you have? Sorcs because 3 out of 4 of her abilites do magic damage and the two attack items I built had magic damage components. Madreds because it was a tanky team, I wanted the attack speed, and the double proc from q is nice. And I meant wit's end not last whisper, sorry. That was for attack speed and the MR which I lacked, also for the double proc from q. I also had a giant's belt and that's all I was able to build before the team surrendered. Please keep in mind that this build was just testing, however, it did seem to work well.
Eh, I think zerkers might be better on her than sorcs and I don't really like Madreds but if you build sorcs and they are really tanky I guess I can see it. I'm glad you clarified it was Wit's cause LW plus sorcs/Madreds made zero sense to me lol.
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I like reginald , hes the reason i specialised in ap carry in this game
however , al lthings been equall , he ( reginald ) was the protected child of lol , regardless of what he was doing ( talking shit etc) so i rly doubt they wanted intentionally to risk the hole tournament liek that , just cause voyoboy said soemthing
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On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
The next day Voyboy emailed a WCG admin because an unknown person (who still hasn't been named) informed Voyboy that the CA qualifiers were played in sets rather than with the one game advantage (this wasn't true). My only problem with this is that rather than talk to CDE first about it he went straight to an admin and only talked to CDE when a WCG admin told him they would need to play another set. I don't understand why, when he was told this misinformation, he didn't just talk to CDE about it as they could have easily clarified that CA did not play more than a single game.
Wait wait wait.... you talk to another team to get a ruling clarification before discussing the rule in question with the admins of the tourney? In what world does that make ANY sense?
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On November 02 2011 13:45 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
The next day Voyboy emailed a WCG admin because an unknown person (who still hasn't been named) informed Voyboy that the CA qualifiers were played in sets rather than with the one game advantage (this wasn't true). My only problem with this is that rather than talk to CDE first about it he went straight to an admin and only talked to CDE when a WCG admin told him they would need to play another set. I don't understand why, when he was told this misinformation, he didn't just talk to CDE about it as they could have easily clarified that CA did not play more than a single game. Wait wait wait.... you talk to another team to get a ruling clarification before discussing the rule in question with the admins of the tourney? In what world does that make ANY sense?
The tournament was over. Why would you go to WCG based off of hearsay to question your lose unless you were trying to get a second chance? Why not just go to CDE and talk to them about the rumor you heard from unknown mystery man?
Moreover, why would you go to the team that beat you and then talk to them only after a WCG admin has told you you'd have to play more games? Why not let the WCG admin tell CDE that more games need to be played?
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On November 02 2011 13:48 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:45 BloodNinja wrote:On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
The next day Voyboy emailed a WCG admin because an unknown person (who still hasn't been named) informed Voyboy that the CA qualifiers were played in sets rather than with the one game advantage (this wasn't true). My only problem with this is that rather than talk to CDE first about it he went straight to an admin and only talked to CDE when a WCG admin told him they would need to play another set. I don't understand why, when he was told this misinformation, he didn't just talk to CDE about it as they could have easily clarified that CA did not play more than a single game. Wait wait wait.... you talk to another team to get a ruling clarification before discussing the rule in question with the admins of the tourney? In what world does that make ANY sense? The tournament was over. Why would you go to WCG based off of hearsay to question your lose unless you were trying to get a second chance? Why not just go to CDE and talk to them about the rumor you heard from unknown mystery man? Moreover, why would you go to the team that beat you and then talk to them only after a WCG admin has told you you'd have to play more games? Why not let the WCG admin tell CDE that more games need to be played?
You go to WCG first because its their tournament, their rules, their decisions. Going to CDE makes zero sense no matter how you want to spin it.
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On November 02 2011 13:45 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
The next day Voyboy emailed a WCG admin because an unknown person (who still hasn't been named) informed Voyboy that the CA qualifiers were played in sets rather than with the one game advantage (this wasn't true). My only problem with this is that rather than talk to CDE first about it he went straight to an admin and only talked to CDE when a WCG admin told him they would need to play another set. I don't understand why, when he was told this misinformation, he didn't just talk to CDE about it as they could have easily clarified that CA did not play more than a single game. Wait wait wait.... you talk to another team to get a ruling clarification before discussing the rule in question with the admins of the tourney? In what world does that make ANY sense?
It wasnt so much a rules clarification as "hey the rules say we get 1 game advantage in a bo3 right" "right."
NO ONE knew it was supposed to be a set advantage because the rules didnt state it, Canada didnt do it, and that was how it was always done.
What basically happened was that Voyboy either lied and told the admins that Canada did it a different way, or that WCG is so fucked up that a simple line of "Hey is it supposed to be 1 game or one bo3 advantage" would make them go AGAINST what was written in their rules to say "oh we MEANT it a different way, even though no one ever did it that way before, we wrote it a different way, and we thought that Canada did it a different way, but even though they didnt, screw you guys, we arent changing our minds."
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I think Tabi is the way to go for her. Since your job is basically to dive the AD carry on the other team the dodge chance should negate a lot of the damage they deal. That or mercs so you can actually reach the ad carry would be my top two picks. Tabi will also help you lane top most likely since you'll be facing somebody who autos. Between W and Nimbleness diving after the ad carry should be fairly easy unless there's a wall of stuns and snares standing in the way.
I think you guys take good manner too serious as well if all of this stems from that one post voyboy made. While walking around calling everybody garbage Idra style isn't a likeable behavior, I sure as hell hope I never say anything wrong to you all or you'll hate me forever.
Maybe it's all getting to my head after reading 15 pages of Dignitas hate ^_^
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I've read alot of user's replies and read the official statements and I think that dignitas really acted unsportsmanlike. I'm not sure if its morally wrong, but sportsmanship wise they were acting behind the backs of the whole rest of the tournament about something outside the scope of the game. It really just sounds like a sore loser kind of ordeal, and this time they got lucky and were able to persuade the WCG to act. Really sad stuff cause most games have had wonderfully supportive competition, its ironic how the BM just never stops at any skill level of this game, lol...
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On November 02 2011 13:13 BlackMagister wrote:Serious business discussion and emo QQ lol. There is a QQ thread for that and LoL section could use an E-Sports general discussion thread or at least a thread should be made for each tourney since the WCG thing has become massive. I'll pull a 2nd part of an edited post from the last page since it was lost among the other discussion. Show nested quote +What are opinions on Xerath. TheOddOne is currently thinking he is OP saying so in every match Xerath is in and Loci kind of agreed after getting killed by him in a game that is going on atm. OddOne complaining about how you can't dodge his skills at all and only a few heroes really countering Xerath like Lebanc and Kassadin.
My opinion of him was that he's OP from the champion spotlight.
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