EPT[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 27
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nennx
United States310 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
She seemed to do quite a bit of damage with no offense items and just 21-0-9 armor pen armor mres aspd setup. SHE IS SO FAST WITH W UP. God. Can't chase her down. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:50 Kenpachi wrote: her teamfighting is just bullshit lol I think it is supposed to be. She was designed as a beefy tank type, but since she has no CC there needs to be a reason to attack her. I don't even think she has that great of burst, just decent HP and the ability to slowly wittle you down. In teamfights she gets utterly shutdown by say an Ali headbutt. My bet is she is one of those champs that gets insta banned at low ELO's and never gets picked at higher ELOs. Think Tryndamere. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:57 iCanada wrote: I think it is supposed to be. She was designed as a beefy tank type, but since she has no CC there needs to be a reason to attack her. I don't even think she has that great of burst, just decent HP and the ability to slowly wittle you down. In teamfights she gets utterly shutdown by say an Ali headbutt. My bet is she is one of those champs that gets insta banned at low ELO's and never gets picked at higher ELOs. Think Tryndamere. wat u talkin about | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Is shyvna overpowered, like the last 5 release champs? | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
if it's not right don't do it, period. doesn't matter if it benefits you greatly or not to screw someone. | ||
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demonik187
United States575 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:05 demonik187 wrote: Having no CC can be alleviated by taking exhaust and/or building a mallet, randuins, or rylai's etc. Laugh if you want, but a rylai's is decent for her since most of her aoe in dragon form is magic damage and keeps them in your burnout longer. Tanky hybrid is what seems to work best for her imo, but I've only played a few games with her. 12/1/5 is my best, but the opposing team was trash and my build was sorc boots, madreds and last whisper :/ Flying into a team fight with your w on and spamming q and e while the whole teams health plummets is so satisfying. I don't understand your build at all. Why would you build Sorcs, Madreds, and Last Whisper? What other items did you have? | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:48 overt wrote: One could make the case, and in fact I'm going to make the case, that Dignitas doesn't deserve to go for how poorly they played against CDE in the original finals. Moreover, they were in no way a stronger team lol. They are all very good players but they aren't a team. They practiced once before and came into the Dignitas match fully expecting to lose. That's part of the reason they were so thrilled because they didn't expect to win. How you can say CDE doesn't deserve it because of how poorly they played on Sunday but Dignitas somehow does deserve it even though they played poorly during the first set of finals is beyond me. In a double elimination bracket each team has the opportunity to get knocked out twice. I don't think Dragon Lady is overpowered, but she'll probably get nerfed as a pubstomper. Between the MS boost from W and the Ultimate it can become really really hard to kill her and her burst is nothing to laugh at. Her lack of cc is what really kills her, but if you just dive their carry you're pretty much guaranteed to be faster than them with W unless their whole team is providing peels. I'd pick up a mallet over a rylais though if you want a slow. I'm not sure if Q would proc the rylai, but your other abilities are AoE so I don't think they're very good with rylais. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Fanboyism aside, I don't see why any team would ever not follow the rules of the tournament and take a second chance at getting to the grand finals of a huge event. Even if CLG pulled this off I could see why they did it and not blame them for it. Dignitas was respectful about it when they thought CDE was going to Korea. After the rules were changed and they had a second chance they took it and I'd think they (or anybody else) were idiots if they didn't. There's no moral highground here where you give the spot to CDE just because WCG changed the format. If CDE really wanted to go to Korea they would have practiced and had some teamwork in another of those games and completely shit all over Dignitas. They absolutely dominated them no question about it in the second game when they were working together. Everything fell apart though and they ended up losing. I'll say this for the 3rd time. I don't give a shit about the fact that they took the low-hanging fruit, and jumped on their opportunity to go to Korea. Many other teams would have taken it as well. I do care that they did it with smiling faces and putting on the facade of being good-mannered and respectful. Don't word your congratulations in that situation in such a way that you sound like you're going to take CDE's side if WCG rules against them when you're not ACTUALLY ready to side with CDE when WCG rules against them. You make yourself out to be their friend, and then take the opportunity to send them home when it's given to you--that's worse than just saying "fuck you CDE, we're going to Korea" from the start. Of course they were going to take the opportunity to go to Korea if it was given to them--but that means they shouldn't have acted like they were being nice and taking CDE's side, when they obviously weren't going to. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
ShakeDrizzle (11:19): been busy playing yugioh sry Shake still #1 | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:15 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: In a double elimination bracket each team has the opportunity to get knocked out twice. Ignoring that those weren't the original rules and that no LoL tournament ever has done that, sure. You do realize that if on the day of the original finals had Dignitas won a single game they would've claimed victory and this whole thing probably wouldn't be happening. CDE followed the rules and then got fucked over when Dignitas appealed to a WCG admin which resulted in the rules being changed. I just...can't understand how anyone thinks Dignitas deserves to have qualified lol. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Anyways what are opinions on Xerath. TheOddOne is currently thinking he is OP saying so in every match Xerath is in and Loci kind of agreed after getting killed by him in a game that is going on atm. OddOne complaining about how you can't dodge his skills at all and only a few heroes really countering Xerath like Lebanc and Kassadin. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: My thoughts on Dragon Lady after buying her and playing one game: I laned top versus Renekton. He was bad and traded poorly so I got ahead. Rushed wriggles so I could sustain and free farmed in lane. Whenever you get ganked you can just R 1000 range and get away. Very good for diving onto the enemy carries since you can R over to them in a teamfight. I went with a Wit's End into Atmogs because we got pretty far ahead early on so I could safely tank out with atmogs. Basically dive onto their squishies every fight and smash them. You're really good at chasing them down with W. That MS boost is insane plus you do plenty of burst damage by facerolling your keyboard. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2011 08:50 Juicyfruit wrote: Look, I know you are a fan of Dignitas and I'm not going to give you flak for it; I'm a blindfanboy for MJY and even now I would basically defend him knowing full well what he did. In this case though, the way I see it, Voyboy's post implies that he knowledges CDE deserved the win. Having, he then goes on to play the 2nd set anyways, which is basically saying "I know it's wrong to do this, but we're going to do it anyways". Another way to look at it is that Voyboy tries to score PR points by being well-mannered, and then turns heel as soon as he gets the chance. Calling him two-faced is perfectly valid. Fanboyism aside, I don't see why any team would ever not follow the rules of the tournament and take a second chance at getting to the grand finals of a huge event. Even if CLG pulled this off I could see why they did it and not blame them for it. Dignitas was respectful about it when they thought CDE was going to Korea. After the rules were changed and they had a second chance they took it and I'd think they (or anybody else) were idiots if they didn't. There's no moral highground here where you give the spot to CDE just because WCG changed the format. If CDE really wanted to go to Korea they would have practiced and had some teamwork in another of those games and completely shit all over Dignitas. They absolutely dominated them no question about it in the second game when they were working together. Everything fell apart though and they ended up losing. While they got shafted by WCG, I don't think CDE earned it by playing that badly in the second go at Dignitas. In a lot of ways they were the stronger team, but they couldn't execute for that series and now they aren't going to Korea. Maybe all of you are perfect good Samaritans who always do the right thing. If opportunity presents itself and I'm not breaking the law I'm going to exploit whatever advantage I can get. Unless somebody can prove that conspiracy where WCG actually did bend the rules because of the intel sponsorship or some other serious monkey business I don't see how you can fault Dignitas for trying to win. If you're lawful good I can see why you'd think otherwise, but that isn't how life works. Played vs her as Udyr earlier, im not sure she can trade all that well, mostly just ignored her and tried to farm, and if she wanted to have a go id fight her and she'd get really low. She does a ridiculous amount of damage with no items though | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 02 2011 12:18 TheYango wrote: I'll say this for the 3rd time. I don't give a shit about the fact that they took the low-hanging fruit, and jumped on their opportunity to go to Korea. Many other teams would have taken it as well. I do care that they did it with smiling faces and putting on the facade of being good-mannered and respectful. Don't word your congratulations in that situation in such a way that you sound like you're going to take CDE's side if WCG rules against them. You make yourself out to be their friend, and then take the opportunity to send them home when it's given to you--that's worse than just saying "fuck you CDE, we're going to Korea" from the start. I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this whole fiasco in the first place because I don't care to read conspiracy theories, but the only "bad manner" thing I've seen so far is that voyboy post and that was made prior to the rule change if I'm not mistaken. Congratulating them on advancing and then the rules changing is hardly putting on a facade of being good-mannered. Again if they had something to do with it I'll change my position immediately, but unless there's evidence I could care less about all the conspiracy theories. If they really have been throughout the ordeal besides that one message I haven't seen it so I remain ignorant. The way I see it say me and you are playing a best of 3 series. You take the series 2-1 and I admit defeat and tell you to have a good time in Korea. However, a week later admins realize I came from the Winner Bracket and that it should have been two best of 3 series since you took the first series. I win the second best of 3 series and win the trip to Korea instead. Am I supposed to forfeit and give you the trip to Korea just because I was nice before when I thought you had won and you really hadn't? My opinion is that I shouldn't. On November 02 2011 12:21 overt wrote: Ignoring that those weren't the original rules and that no LoL tournament ever has done that, sure. You do realize that if on the day of the original finals had Dignitas won a single game they would've claimed victory and this whole thing probably wouldn't be happening. CDE followed the rules and then got fucked over when Dignitas appealed to a WCG admin which resulted in the rules being changed. I just...can't understand how anyone thinks Dignitas deserves to have qualified lol. Until you prove that the rules were amended for because of the intel sponsorship Dignitas has or any of those others it's all conspiracy bullshit. There was definitely some strange things going on the rules change, but that's completely WCG. If the WCG admins and MattMarcou are really that incompetent and can't follow the rules they laid out then you should be focusing on them instead of Dignitas. This whole thing could not be happening, but it is. Whether those are the actual rules or not we'll never know and I really doubt WCG or MattMarcou is ever going to release a full story so... On November 02 2011 12:36 BlackMagister wrote: And if Dignitas really wanted to make it to Korea they wouldn't have lost 2-0 in the original WCG USA finals, I mean all they had to do was win one game because they had a 1 game advantage. And if they didn't want to lose a lot of fans and gain negative press they wouldn't have taken the rematch and just respected the original rules. WCG only changed their rules based on false information from Voyboy so Dignitas isn't free from blame either. But yeah Dignitas took the rematch chance and now have to deal with PR backlash. I don't see how people can think WCG only changed the their rules based on false information. If the rules were posted wrong the rules were posted wrong so it was fixed. I guess in the end it comes down to which rules you believe should be followed. On November 02 2011 12:37 arb wrote: Played vs her as Udyr earlier, im not sure she can trade all that well, mostly just ignored her and tried to farm, and if she wanted to have a go id fight her and she'd get really low. She does a ridiculous amount of damage with no items though Until she gets wriggles she really can't compete with the sustain champions up top. I only beat that Renekton because he tried to trade with me when I had a huge pile of minions. If he wasn't awful I definitely wouldn't have survived even opening cloth 5 although I don't have a super armor stack page, just flat seals. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
I didn't know they were testing spectator mode on live. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Your first part of that post indicates how little you understand about the situation. Voyboy made that post after WCG told him they would have to play more sets. He made that post after everyone was enraged about the fact that there would be another set that needed to be played. It was unclear if WCG was actually going to stick to their initial ruling at the time he made that post but they had indicated that a new set would have to be played. They then made a final ruling on it that stuck with their initial ruling. Yango is absolutely right in that Dignitas tried to act like the good guys who were well mannered and saying that CDE deserved to go to Korea and that they doubted WCG would actually stick to their ruling. But, lo and behold, WCG did stick with their ruling for unknown reasons. Dignitas didn't see any harm in now reaping the benefits of this right after they said they didn't think it would happen and claiming that CDE deserved to go to Korea. This is why people are pissed off at Dignitas. This is why people see them as being two-faced. edit: Anyone who thinks they shouldn't have followed the rules they posted, that have been there since before the qualifiers started. The same rules they used last year. The same rules that every LoL event so far has used is just...I don't even know how you could honestly think the rule change was a good idea. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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