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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 02 2011 05:13 GMT
#561
He sleeper op IMO. Its hard to get the most out of him because he is a bit clunky in his kit, and you need proper farm to do what you need to do. But if you are good at him, he wreaks face.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 02 2011 05:29 GMT
#562
Xerath isn't exactly a sleeper op, it's obvious he's broken but tournament players were just busy playing tourneys on older patches so he didn't become FOTM from being on streams 24/7.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 05:34:27
November 02 2011 05:30 GMT
#563
TSM scrimming with some team, using Alistar, Trist, GP, Xerath and Karthus. Running Karthus as Jungle and it seems surprising viable given the last scrim I saw them do jungle Karthus. Karthus works like GP during laning phase and during team fights he just runs in and dies, but does enough damage that they win the teamfight.
http://www.own3d.tv/SoloMid#/live/6416
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 02 2011 05:32 GMT
#564
TSM's scriming IgI.

OddOne has been doing Jungle Karth with great success in the past day.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 02 2011 05:36 GMT
#565
So now that there is a thread in the overall General forum, can we agree to only talk about WCG there and leave this thread for actual lol shit?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 05:58:55
November 02 2011 05:36 GMT
#566
On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
Eh, I think zerkers might be better on her than sorcs and I don't really like Madreds but if you build sorcs and they are really tanky I guess I can see it. I'm glad you clarified it was Wit's cause LW plus sorcs/Madreds made zero sense to me lol.



Zerkers are ok for early game I guess and the attack speed thing for her is a cool concept but it really only serves to build rage faster and lower the cool down on Q, which are definitely good things, I admit, but you don't actually need that much of it to accomplish this. I was building zerkers in previous games, but after using them I think sorcs is so much better for a damage build. I took sorcs for lulz because the enemy cc was negligible and I was getting fed. To my delight the extra magic pen wrecked faces with W and E in dragon form.

Honestly, though, I think I'll typically take mercs since usually you have to be in the heart of a teamfight to do damage and they WILL unleash all their cc and focus on you.

Though it wasn't used, a last whisper really isnt that out of the question since double penetration (lawl) would work just fine with her. I'm sure there are better items, but an aoe cleave with Q (in dragon form ofc) that penetrates 40% of the enemy team's armor seems pretty dandy. IDK I guess I just mainly build her for when she's in dragon form, since the uptime is so frequent.

It seems like you can build her almost any path you'd like and she'll still be effective in some way. I'm sure it will take some more testing to find an optimal build(s) for her. I'm really interested in ways you guys have built her and your thoughts/theorycrafts.
We march to victory!
Lorken
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand804 Posts
November 02 2011 05:38 GMT
#567
Quite nice patch I reckon. Also my current elo: 1337 :D lost a lot of games recently
LOUD NOISES!!!
Yttrasil
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden651 Posts
November 02 2011 05:41 GMT
#568
Surprised they didn't nerf kog-maw or morgana a tiny bit more as well with this patch. Is so annoying to have to bann those two every games when Sion, Lee, Graves are so sick op in solo-q still.
Meh
demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
November 02 2011 05:56 GMT
#569
On November 02 2011 14:36 Two_DoWn wrote:
So now that there is a thread in the overall General forum, can we agree to only talk about WCG there and leave this thread for actual lol shit?



Yes, please.
We march to victory!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 02 2011 05:59 GMT
#570
On November 02 2011 14:36 demonik187 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
Eh, I think zerkers might be better on her than sorcs and I don't really like Madreds but if you build sorcs and they are really tanky I guess I can see it. I'm glad you clarified it was Wit's cause LW plus sorcs/Madreds made zero sense to me lol.



Zerkers are ok for early game I guess and the attack speed thing for her is a cool concept but it really only serves to build rage faster and lower the cool down on Q, which are definitely good things, I admit, but you don't actually need that much of it to accomplish this. I was building zerkers in previous games, but after using them I think sorcs is so much better for a damage build. I took sorcs for lulz because the enemy cc was negligible and I was getting fed. To my delight the extra magic pen wrecked faces with W and E in dragon form.

Honestly, though, I think I'll typically take mercs since usually you have to be in the heart of a teamfight to do damage and they WILL unleash all their cc and focus on you.


I just meant, for damage output, I would think zerkers would be more damage than sorcs. I could be wrong though.

I'd go mercs probably every game with her. I don't like Last Whisper on her because you shouldn't be hitting tanks you should be using dragon to jump on squishies who shouldn't have much armor or MR.

I liked SV's build of Wriggle's -> mercs -> Wit's -> Phage -> Atmogs.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
November 02 2011 06:03 GMT
#571
--- Nuked ---
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 02 2011 06:07 GMT
#572
On November 02 2011 15:03 randomKo_Orean wrote:
What the hell? Did people JUST realize sion is OP?


He works in solo q, not so much in arranged. The crux of Sion is breaking his shield before he can use it. If he doesn't deal damage with his shield, he's somewhat subpar. He has crazy farm potential however.
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demonik187
Profile Joined August 2010
United States575 Posts
November 02 2011 06:14 GMT
#573
On November 02 2011 14:59 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 14:36 demonik187 wrote:
On November 02 2011 13:23 overt wrote:
Eh, I think zerkers might be better on her than sorcs and I don't really like Madreds but if you build sorcs and they are really tanky I guess I can see it. I'm glad you clarified it was Wit's cause LW plus sorcs/Madreds made zero sense to me lol.



Zerkers are ok for early game I guess and the attack speed thing for her is a cool concept but it really only serves to build rage faster and lower the cool down on Q, which are definitely good things, I admit, but you don't actually need that much of it to accomplish this. I was building zerkers in previous games, but after using them I think sorcs is so much better for a damage build. I took sorcs for lulz because the enemy cc was negligible and I was getting fed. To my delight the extra magic pen wrecked faces with W and E in dragon form.

Honestly, though, I think I'll typically take mercs since usually you have to be in the heart of a teamfight to do damage and they WILL unleash all their cc and focus on you.


I just meant, for damage output, I would think zerkers would be more damage than sorcs. I could be wrong though.

I'd go mercs probably every game with her. I don't like Last Whisper on her because you shouldn't be hitting tanks you should be using dragon to jump on squishies who shouldn't have much armor or MR.

I liked SV's build of Wriggle's -> mercs -> Wit's -> Phage -> Atmogs.



Yeah I was watching his stream earlier when he was jungling with her and she seems pretty viable in either lane or jungle. Some people think that because she lacks a hard cc she can't gank as well some others, but a gank sub 6 is easily accomplished with the movespeed from w, and if you take exhaust it's almost a guaranteed kill or at the very least will make them back or blow flash. After you hit 6 ganks are ezpz.

I fully agree that LW is a very situational item for her as is usually the case with most champs. I haven't gotten to the point were I could finish an atmogs build, but it does seem right up her alley. So many options with her. I like it.
We march to victory!
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
November 02 2011 06:35 GMT
#574
Neo what are you doing getting invited to the TSM vs IgI scrim? You a part of IgI?
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
November 02 2011 06:37 GMT
#575
On November 02 2011 13:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.

I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.

First off, the original rules for WCG qualifiers state that the team going in from winner's bracket has a 1 game advantage in a best of 3 set. Which means Dignitas entered the match 1-0. CDE has to, and did, win 2 takes in a row to qualify.

The fact that it was "miscommunicated" that it was a best of 3 sets with Dignitas having a one set advantage is just utter bullshit. No tournament in the history of any fucking esports makes you play a best of 3 sets. That's a maximum of 9 games, minimum of 4. That's just fuckign retarded.

It's a retarded idea for a finals setup in just about any sport on earth, for that matter. Esports be damned.
I will eat you alive
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 07:02:28
November 02 2011 07:00 GMT
#576
On November 02 2011 15:37 FieryBalrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 13:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.

I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.

First off, the original rules for WCG qualifiers state that the team going in from winner's bracket has a 1 game advantage in a best of 3 set. Which means Dignitas entered the match 1-0. CDE has to, and did, win 2 takes in a row to qualify.

The fact that it was "miscommunicated" that it was a best of 3 sets with Dignitas having a one set advantage is just utter bullshit. No tournament in the history of any fucking esports makes you play a best of 3 sets. That's a maximum of 9 games, minimum of 4. That's just fuckign retarded.

It's a retarded idea for a finals setup in just about any sport on earth, for that matter. Esports be damned.

Uh, it's actually pretty common in sports and e-sports, to take whatever match type you use in the normal brackets, do that match type as a bo3 with a 1-0 match lead for the winner's bracket player/team. The rest of the brackets were a bo3, so it's imo pretty stupid to have the finals be anything less than a full bo3 (like the 1-0 bo3 that it was.)

1-0 lead on a bo5, sure. 1-0 lead on the sets with a 3x bo3 set, that's pretty typical, though it's obviously impractical with the potential length that lol has.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
November 02 2011 07:09 GMT
#577
lol, Dyrus is just passed out on his stream
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
November 02 2011 07:12 GMT
#578
Played against Shyvana a few times.

She doesn't die.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 02 2011 07:46 GMT
#579
On November 02 2011 16:00 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 15:37 FieryBalrog wrote:
On November 02 2011 13:09 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 02 2011 13:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Clearly I need to do some more reading up on this, but did both teams actually agree to the one game advantage or was that just part of the rules that are no longer in use? If it was a mutual agreement to be used instead of playing a possible 6 games to save time then it shouldn't have been broken. In the latter case it shouldn't matter when you switch to two best of three sets. CDE took the first set 2-0 or 2-1 and Dignitas took the second set 2-1, doesn't change the results in the grand scheme of things.

I think I edited this in somewhere previously, but the entire separation is the old rules versus the new rules. While the changing of the rules is very sketchy, they could very well have meant for the new rules to be the actual rules and they were not posted as an oversight. Websites not being updated and rules not being distributed are a tragedy and it was handled very poorly, but the end results are what is going to happen. I still think you shouldn't fault Dignitas at all for WCG/MattMarcou admins being incompetent. I've definitely seen a conspiracy theory involving the Intel sponsorship that Dignitas and WCG both hold and that the rules were bent to appease the sponsor as well that was posted in the old GD topic.

First off, the original rules for WCG qualifiers state that the team going in from winner's bracket has a 1 game advantage in a best of 3 set. Which means Dignitas entered the match 1-0. CDE has to, and did, win 2 takes in a row to qualify.

The fact that it was "miscommunicated" that it was a best of 3 sets with Dignitas having a one set advantage is just utter bullshit. No tournament in the history of any fucking esports makes you play a best of 3 sets. That's a maximum of 9 games, minimum of 4. That's just fuckign retarded.

It's a retarded idea for a finals setup in just about any sport on earth, for that matter. Esports be damned.

Uh, it's actually pretty common in sports and e-sports, to take whatever match type you use in the normal brackets, do that match type as a bo3 with a 1-0 match lead for the winner's bracket player/team. The rest of the brackets were a bo3, so it's imo pretty stupid to have the finals be anything less than a full bo3 (like the 1-0 bo3 that it was.)

1-0 lead on a bo5, sure. 1-0 lead on the sets with a 3x bo3 set, that's pretty typical, though it's obviously impractical with the potential length that lol has.

i know the nba does best of 7 and the nfl does just one game. if the wcg was truly a best of 3 sets with each set being 3 games, that's a maximum of 9 games being played which is unheard of in any sport
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 02 2011 07:57 GMT
#580
world rock paper scissors championship was 3 best of 3s
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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