[Patch 1.0.0.128: Shyvana] General Discussion - Page 30

On November 02 2011 16:12 Cloud9157 wrote:
Played against Shyvana a few times.

She doesn't die.

On November 02 2011 16:09 ArC_man wrote:
lol, Dyrus is just passed out on his stream

On November 02 2011 16:46 Ryuu314 wrote:

i know the nba does best of 7 and the nfl does just one game. if the wcg was truly a best of 3 sets with each set being 3 games, that's a maximum of 9 games being played which is unheard of in any sport

On November 02 2011 17:03 Parnage wrote:


He should pass out more. I just watched a game where I burst out laughing over the insanity several times as he pretty much ran his singed all over the map doing whatever he pleased. Built strait anti armor vs tryn toplane and jungle proceeds to run across the map and start farming minions in the enemy base and escaping several times before being 5 man ganked twice. He then groups ends the game as if he was just bored with it.

Never have I realized just how much the scale is between top and low level play. While laughing to near tears.

On November 02 2011 10:25 mgoblue wrote:
Would anyone be interested in a thread for new champion ideas? I have seen other threads about combining skills from other champions to form one super OP champion, but I feel like it is a lot of fun to throw around ideas for new champions, even if they are just new individual skills or mechanics.

On November 02 2011 17:45 HAL9OOO wrote:


Omg... I just had this awesome champ idea. Why are there no dinosaur champions? Think of a RAPTOR CHAMPION. But instead of just 1 raptor, you control like 3 fucking raptors, the champion is basically a trio of raptors. Your Q,W,E use the different raptors to do shit. And your R could turn you into a MEGA RAPTOR, like nasus and renekton ults. Holy shit I want raptor champ.

On November 02 2011 11:15 Hyren wrote:

Nope http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1433136

On November 02 2011 15:07 NeoIllusions wrote:


He works in solo q, not so much in arranged. The crux of Sion is breaking his shield before he can use it. If he doesn't deal damage with his shield, he's somewhat subpar. He has crazy farm potential however.

On November 02 2011 15:07 NeoIllusions wrote:


He works in solo q, not so much in arranged. The crux of Sion is breaking his shield before he can use it. If he doesn't deal damage with his shield, he's somewhat subpar. He has crazy farm potential however.

On November 02 2011 17:58 Navi wrote:
it'd be more likely that you get a dinosaur champion with 3 transforms, 1 "regular" or human state and 1 move for each on the r or q or w/e
like a pterodactyl for mobility and dash skill
triceratops for tank (maybe some aoe cc)
T-REX for melee deeps
and then some poke for human skill

but yeah they won't make something with multiple summons that are controllable, although that'd be tight

On November 02 2011 17:58 Navi wrote:
it'd be more likely that you get a dinosaur champion with 3 transforms, 1 "regular" or human state and 1 move for each on the r or q or w/e
like a pterodactyl for mobility and dash skill
triceratops for tank (maybe some aoe cc)
T-REX for melee deeps
and then some poke for human skill

but yeah they won't make something with multiple summons that are controllable, although that'd be tight

On November 02 2011 18:36 Shiv. wrote:

Yes he does.
http://boompje.webege.com/
Check this out.

On November 02 2011 21:04 shinarit wrote:
What would you think of a health transfer skill? Not stealing others for yourself, but transfering your health to an ally. Is it somehow a faulty mechanic or its just not interesting enough?

On November 02 2011 21:04 shinarit wrote:
What would you think of a health transfer skill? Not stealing others for yourself, but transfering your health to an ally. Is it somehow a faulty mechanic or its just not interesting enough?

On November 02 2011 22:27 RogerX wrote:

Well to have something like this it'll have to be a huge HP giveaway, this isn't what Riot wants because they don't like huge sustains in lane, I mean you can easily play support, initally buy HP/SEC items/pots and just transfer a load of HP.

And the concept itself feels weird lol, here have my blood.

On November 02 2011 22:41 MoonBear wrote:

I'll eat the bait.

I'm not going to go into whether absolute values or percentage values are better or not. That's not important. The more important issue would be the optimisation of the skill. Skills should have a clear purpose (not conflicting) and shouldn't make you tear your hair out in frustration for using it. Also, it needs to be better than other possibilities.

Health transfer isn't fully optimised because there are times when you would not want to use the skill because it would feel bad to use the skill. For example, if it was based on absolute numbers you could end up killing yourself, so would it be something you'd want to use? If it was percentage based, in a team if you were low hp it wouldn't heal for much. These conflict with the purpose of heals, which is to support and provide a benefit.

This spell you describe is basically a heal with a hp cost. How does this differentiate itself from and make itself more interesting than a regular heal? Tacking on health costs to skills is generally not an approved mechanic because using hp as a resource doesn't offer a very clear purpose. (It works for Vlad because of his gating mechanic I explained here, while Morde is compensated with his Shield and Olaf has spellvamp that synergises with the true damage so it doesn't actually matter that much.) If you want a heal which requires thinking to use, has varying numbers, or other things involved there are other ways of doing so without the need to have hp costs. For example, the long CD Soraka Heal which gives massive buffs was designed to be a clutch usage spell for when you engage and then heal the tank/initiator just as the physical damage comes in to shield the maximum amount. (Arguably you can still just spam W. Although you won't be making full usage of Soraka's power.)

Of course, the fundamental rule is that if fun>unfun, it can be justified. So, if you truly believe in having a heal with hp costs, can you find a way that makes it superior to alternative heal designs and still feels fun to use and has a clear purpose? That is the key question.