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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
On November 02 2011 16:12 Cloud9157 wrote: Played against Shyvana a few times. She doesn't die. Her move with the flames around her (It looks like Dr. Mundo's thing) is quite a lot of damage early game as well  | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On November 02 2011 16:09 ArC_man wrote: lol, Dyrus is just passed out on his stream He should pass out more. I just watched a game where I burst out laughing over the insanity several times as he pretty much ran his singed all over the map doing whatever he pleased. Built strait anti armor vs tryn toplane and jungle proceeds to run across the map and start farming minions in the enemy base and escaping several times before being 5 man ganked twice. He then groups ends the game as if he was just bored with it. Never have I realized just how much the scale is between top and low level play. While laughing to near tears. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On November 02 2011 16:46 Ryuu314 wrote: i know the nba does best of 7 and the nfl does just one game. if the wcg was truly a best of 3 sets with each set being 3 games, that's a maximum of 9 games being played which is unheard of in any sport Street Fighter tournaments have always been double elimination BO3 games during the bracket all the way until winners/losers finals which are BO5. Grand finals are usually BO5 as well, the person coming out of Loser's needs to 2 sets (a potential of 10 games). You're misunderstanding what double elimination means. Double elimination means a team is eliminated after they've lost two sets. Teams are in the Winner's bracket if they've never lost a set and are moved into Loser's bracket when they lose one (for example CDE was moved into the Loser's bracket after they lost the Winner's bracket finals against Dignitas). If you want to run a proper double elimination bracket, the team coming out of the Loser's finals (CDE since they beat Curse in the Loser's finals) needs to win two sets (since Dignitas hasn't lost a set yet) in the Grand finals in order to win the tournament while the team still in the Winners bracket only needs to win one (since CDE had already lost a set). | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:03 Parnage wrote: He should pass out more. I just watched a game where I burst out laughing over the insanity several times as he pretty much ran his singed all over the map doing whatever he pleased. Built strait anti armor vs tryn toplane and jungle proceeds to run across the map and start farming minions in the enemy base and escaping several times before being 5 man ganked twice. He then groups ends the game as if he was just bored with it. Never have I realized just how much the scale is between top and low level play. While laughing to near tears. To be fair it was vs. Trynd, Lee Sin, Morg, Vayne, and support Lux. As long as you dodge bindings from Morg/Lux you have free reign in what you can do with Thorn/Sunfire/FH/NinjaTabi and FoN | ||
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HAL9OOO
United States176 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:25 mgoblue wrote: Would anyone be interested in a thread for new champion ideas? I have seen other threads about combining skills from other champions to form one super OP champion, but I feel like it is a lot of fun to throw around ideas for new champions, even if they are just new individual skills or mechanics. Omg... I just had this awesome champ idea. Why are there no dinosaur champions? Think of a RAPTOR CHAMPION. But instead of just 1 raptor, you control like 3 fucking raptors, the champion is basically a trio of raptors. Your Q,W,E use the different raptors to do shit. And your R could turn you into a MEGA RAPTOR, like nasus and renekton ults. Holy shit I want raptor champ. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:45 HAL9OOO wrote: Omg... I just had this awesome champ idea. Why are there no dinosaur champions? Think of a RAPTOR CHAMPION. But instead of just 1 raptor, you control like 3 fucking raptors, the champion is basically a trio of raptors. Your Q,W,E use the different raptors to do shit. And your R could turn you into a MEGA RAPTOR, like nasus and renekton ults. Holy shit I want raptor champ. Dinosaurs = Cool League of Legend's solution to multi-unit control/micro = Bad | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
like a pterodactyl for mobility and dash skill triceratops for tank (maybe some aoe cc) T-REX for melee deeps and then some poke for human skill but yeah they won't make something with multiple summons that are controllable, although that'd be tight | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
Jungle: Clears extremely quickly but is only semi-useful in ganking. You can definitely get some good damage in to help the lane though so overall I would consider her pretty useful in this respect. She is a lot of fun to jungle with as well. Since you can't get the farm in the jungle like a solo lane would give, I have been building her on the tankier side. Generally I try to get a Sunfire quickly because as soon as you start teamfighting, your sunfire+W is so much ticking AoE damage. Overall, decent jungler, great at ganking lanes with a disabler. Solo Top: What she lacks in sustain she more than makes up for in damage. She trades extremely well to my knowledge. Opening Cloth+5pots is generally the way to go I have found. You are pretty gank immune with your 3 second ghost so you can be pretty aggressive and get away with it. I have been saving her ult for either escaping ganks or teamfights. As soon as I hit 6 I rarely if ever die to ganks. She can farm pretty well too and becomes extremely scary when built. Overall, top solo is the better option imo. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On November 02 2011 11:15 Hyren wrote: Nope http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1433136Yes he does. http://boompje.webege.com/ Check this out. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_Instinct#Characters We already have Orchid (Nidalee), Sabrewulf (WW), Jago (Master Yi), Cinder (Brand), so... Why not Raptor after all ? :o | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On November 02 2011 15:07 NeoIllusions wrote: He works in solo q, not so much in arranged. The crux of Sion is breaking his shield before he can use it. If he doesn't deal damage with his shield, he's somewhat subpar. He has crazy farm potential however. I think why he works in soloqueue is because you can clear your wave super fast and gank other lanes. If you just sit in your lane he's not that good, even in soloqueue imo. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On November 02 2011 15:07 NeoIllusions wrote: He works in solo q, not so much in arranged. The crux of Sion is breaking his shield before he can use it. If he doesn't deal damage with his shield, he's somewhat subpar. He has crazy farm potential however. This is a really important point that most people don't take into consideration. There might be a lot of lolOP shit in solo queue but a real team can trump a lot of that. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:58 Navi wrote: it'd be more likely that you get a dinosaur champion with 3 transforms, 1 "regular" or human state and 1 move for each on the r or q or w/e like a pterodactyl for mobility and dash skill triceratops for tank (maybe some aoe cc) T-REX for melee deeps and then some poke for human skill but yeah they won't make something with multiple summons that are controllable, although that'd be tight Kinda like udyr. | ||
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On November 02 2011 17:58 Navi wrote: it'd be more likely that you get a dinosaur champion with 3 transforms, 1 "regular" or human state and 1 move for each on the r or q or w/e like a pterodactyl for mobility and dash skill triceratops for tank (maybe some aoe cc) T-REX for melee deeps and then some poke for human skill but yeah they won't make something with multiple summons that are controllable, although that'd be tight http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=279465 | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
Nevermind, it's totally fucked up. :/ | ||
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shinarit
Hungary900 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:04 shinarit wrote: What would you think of a health transfer skill? Not stealing others for yourself, but transfering your health to an ally. Is it somehow a faulty mechanic or its just not interesting enough? Well to have something like this it'll have to be a huge HP giveaway, this isn't what Riot wants because they don't like huge sustains in lane, I mean you can easily play support, initally buy HP/SEC items/pots and just transfer a load of HP. And the concept itself feels weird lol, here have my blood. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:04 shinarit wrote: What would you think of a health transfer skill? Not stealing others for yourself, but transfering your health to an ally. Is it somehow a faulty mechanic or its just not interesting enough? I'll eat the bait. I'm not going to go into whether absolute values or percentage values are better or not. That's not important. The more important issue would be the optimisation of the skill. Skills should have a clear purpose (not conflicting) and shouldn't make you tear your hair out in frustration for using it. Also, it needs to be better than other possibilities. Health transfer isn't fully optimised because there are times when you would not want to use the skill because it would feel bad to use the skill. For example, if it was based on absolute numbers you could end up killing yourself, so would it be something you'd want to use? If it was percentage based, in a team if you were low hp it wouldn't heal for much. These conflict with the purpose of heals, which is to support and provide a benefit. This spell you describe is basically a heal with a hp cost. How does this differentiate itself from and make itself more interesting than a regular heal? Tacking on health costs to skills is generally not an approved mechanic because using hp as a resource doesn't offer a very clear purpose. (It works for Vlad because of his gating mechanic I explained here, while Morde is compensated with his Shield and Olaf has spellvamp that synergises with the true damage so it doesn't actually matter that much.) If you want a heal which requires thinking to use, has varying numbers, or other things involved there are other ways of doing so without the need to have hp costs. For example, the long CD Soraka Heal which gives massive buffs was designed to be a clutch usage spell for when you engage and then heal the tank/initiator just as the physical damage comes in to shield the maximum amount. (Arguably you can still just spam W. Although you won't be making full usage of Soraka's power.) Of course, the fundamental rule is that if fun>unfun, it can be justified. So, if you truly believe in having a heal with hp costs, can you find a way that makes it superior to alternative heal designs and still feels fun to use and has a clear purpose? That is the key question. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:27 RogerX wrote: Well to have something like this it'll have to be a huge HP giveaway, this isn't what Riot wants because they don't like huge sustains in lane, I mean you can easily play support, initally buy HP/SEC items/pots and just transfer a load of HP. And the concept itself feels weird lol, here have my blood. Meh Dota already has that and it works pretty well, just need to have some more base regen and make his skillset be such that he can't really carry(he'd obviously be support). http://www.playdota.com/heroes/lord-of-avernus On November 02 2011 22:41 MoonBear wrote: I'll eat the bait. I'm not going to go into whether absolute values or percentage values are better or not. That's not important. The more important issue would be the optimisation of the skill. Skills should have a clear purpose (not conflicting) and shouldn't make you tear your hair out in frustration for using it. Also, it needs to be better than other possibilities. Health transfer isn't fully optimised because there are times when you would not want to use the skill because it would feel bad to use the skill. For example, if it was based on absolute numbers you could end up killing yourself, so would it be something you'd want to use? If it was percentage based, in a team if you were low hp it wouldn't heal for much. These conflict with the purpose of heals, which is to support and provide a benefit. This spell you describe is basically a heal with a hp cost. How does this differentiate itself from and make itself more interesting than a regular heal? Tacking on health costs to skills is generally not an approved mechanic because using hp as a resource doesn't offer a very clear purpose. (It works for Vlad because of his gating mechanic I explained here, while Morde is compensated with his Shield and Olaf has spellvamp that synergises with the true damage so it doesn't actually matter that much.) If you want a heal which requires thinking to use, has varying numbers, or other things involved there are other ways of doing so without the need to have hp costs. For example, the long CD Soraka Heal which gives massive buffs was designed to be a clutch usage spell for when you engage and then heal the tank/initiator just as the physical damage comes in to shield the maximum amount. (Arguably you can still just spam W. Although you won't be making full usage of Soraka's power.) Of course, the fundamental rule is that if fun>unfun, it can be justified. So, if you truly believe in having a heal with hp costs, can you find a way that makes it superior to alternative heal designs and still feels fun to use and has a clear purpose? That is the key question. IMO having a support hero that can give life and then give his team an AoE or global buff every time he dies or something would be quite interesting http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/heroview.php?hid=188 | ||
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