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unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 27 2011 01:11 GMT
#2241
On October 27 2011 09:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ragging on Elementz is dumb. Use it as a reference, nothing more.

Want to know what's flavor of the month and popular? Take a gander.
It's also somewhat reflective of the current tournament scene tbh. But like barbsq said, don't treat it like gospel.

If anything, be moar like bosses scarra and Voyboy. Play what you like. Make those champions work. Start your own fotm. zz

Chu8 was the ORIGINAL HIPSTER
:)
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
October 27 2011 01:13 GMT
#2242
On October 27 2011 10:01 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 09:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ragging on Elementz is dumb. Use it as a reference, nothing more.

Want to know what's flavor of the month and popular? Take a gander.
It's also somewhat reflective of the current tournament scene tbh. But like barbsq said, don't treat it like gospel.

If anything, be moar like bosses scarra and Voyboy. Play what you like. Make those champions work. Start your own fotm. zz

Sorry if I came across raging, that was honestly not my intention. I'm just so fed up of people quedoding me in normals when I play Katarina or Shaco. Well, Shaco appears to be perfectly fine again, but all the rage about Kat... I don't know. I just think it's insanely useless. If you want to gain Elo, it's probably not going to help if you start playing Revive Teleport Karthus all of a sudden. Play what you're good at and people who are good enough to care about what AP carry fits the teamcomp instead of just playing what they're used to don't need a tier list anyhow. Also, how am I supposed to use it as a orientation on what to use if it obviously isn't accurate, seeing how Trynd was shit tier for ages and then all of a sudden BOOM SUP I'M GOD NOW without even getting changed at all. To be fair, he always says all heroes are viable in the right hands, but then again: what's the whole point of the list?

I don't know, maybe I'm too tired 'cause it's 3 AM, but I really don't get it.


That's not elementz fault, it's dumb people using his tier list wrong. He clearly says "If someone says they play a great X champion in tier 4 than you can let them solo or play that champion". The tier list is there as what elementz would advise people to learn.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
October 27 2011 01:25 GMT
#2243
On October 27 2011 10:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 10:01 Shiv. wrote:
On October 27 2011 09:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ragging on Elementz is dumb. Use it as a reference, nothing more.

Want to know what's flavor of the month and popular? Take a gander.
It's also somewhat reflective of the current tournament scene tbh. But like barbsq said, don't treat it like gospel.

If anything, be moar like bosses scarra and Voyboy. Play what you like. Make those champions work. Start your own fotm. zz

Sorry if I came across raging, that was honestly not my intention. I'm just so fed up of people quedoding me in normals when I play Katarina or Shaco. Well, Shaco appears to be perfectly fine again, but all the rage about Kat... I don't know. I just think it's insanely useless. If you want to gain Elo, it's probably not going to help if you start playing Revive Teleport Karthus all of a sudden. Play what you're good at and people who are good enough to care about what AP carry fits the teamcomp instead of just playing what they're used to don't need a tier list anyhow. Also, how am I supposed to use it as a orientation on what to use if it obviously isn't accurate, seeing how Trynd was shit tier for ages and then all of a sudden BOOM SUP I'M GOD NOW without even getting changed at all. To be fair, he always says all heroes are viable in the right hands, but then again: what's the whole point of the list?

I don't know, maybe I'm too tired 'cause it's 3 AM, but I really don't get it.


I tend to wait 20 min for normal game queues with my fun police friends. :< How bad could a q dodge(s) be?

I get what you're saying. But even without Elementz's tier list, people would still follow what's popular from what they see in tournaments and streams. Remember Sion? And how he raped fk faces at solo top 4-5 months ago? Oh hay, slap on Boots of Mobility and we have a new fotm Sion at solo mid.
I just feel like too many people try to scapegoat Ele for the uncreative general public. Most gamers are flat out uncreative, period. Care to look at the SC2 ladder after every MLG?

w/e...

Yeah, you are right. It's just annoying to fight for solo mid over and over again, just because people follow stuff blindly and then get quedodged numerous times. By the way: 20 minute ques? What do you guys run, revive/rally/heal/fortify all the things? :D I guess I am more tired of people using arguments from authority when they're clearly not on the same mechanical/strategical level as said authority and hence are not able to capitalize on the distinct advantages or disadvantages that make Elementz put the champs where they are. Can't tell how many times I faced a Morgana who proceeded to stay at her turret at 20% health just to get Shunpo->BB->Shunpo-out-of-range'd. It's just one of a million examples.

At the guy above me: good point! I have never considered learning a champ in order to stomp people or gain Elo. I just play what's the most fun. Meh.
currently rooting for myself.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
October 27 2011 01:29 GMT
#2244
On October 27 2011 10:25 Shiv. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 10:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 27 2011 10:01 Shiv. wrote:
On October 27 2011 09:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
Ragging on Elementz is dumb. Use it as a reference, nothing more.

Want to know what's flavor of the month and popular? Take a gander.
It's also somewhat reflective of the current tournament scene tbh. But like barbsq said, don't treat it like gospel.

If anything, be moar like bosses scarra and Voyboy. Play what you like. Make those champions work. Start your own fotm. zz

Sorry if I came across raging, that was honestly not my intention. I'm just so fed up of people quedoding me in normals when I play Katarina or Shaco. Well, Shaco appears to be perfectly fine again, but all the rage about Kat... I don't know. I just think it's insanely useless. If you want to gain Elo, it's probably not going to help if you start playing Revive Teleport Karthus all of a sudden. Play what you're good at and people who are good enough to care about what AP carry fits the teamcomp instead of just playing what they're used to don't need a tier list anyhow. Also, how am I supposed to use it as a orientation on what to use if it obviously isn't accurate, seeing how Trynd was shit tier for ages and then all of a sudden BOOM SUP I'M GOD NOW without even getting changed at all. To be fair, he always says all heroes are viable in the right hands, but then again: what's the whole point of the list?

I don't know, maybe I'm too tired 'cause it's 3 AM, but I really don't get it.


I tend to wait 20 min for normal game queues with my fun police friends. :< How bad could a q dodge(s) be?

I get what you're saying. But even without Elementz's tier list, people would still follow what's popular from what they see in tournaments and streams. Remember Sion? And how he raped fk faces at solo top 4-5 months ago? Oh hay, slap on Boots of Mobility and we have a new fotm Sion at solo mid.
I just feel like too many people try to scapegoat Ele for the uncreative general public. Most gamers are flat out uncreative, period. Care to look at the SC2 ladder after every MLG?

w/e...

Yeah, you are right. It's just annoying to fight for solo mid over and over again, just because people follow stuff blindly and then get quedodged numerous times. By the way: 20 minute ques? What do you guys run, revive/rally/heal/fortify all the things? :D I guess I am more tired of people using arguments from authority when they're clearly not on the same mechanical/strategical level as said authority and hence are not able to capitalize on the distinct advantages or disadvantages that make Elementz put the champs where they are. Can't tell how many times I faced a Morgana who proceeded to stay at her turret at 20% health just to get Shunpo->BB->Shunpo-out-of-range'd. It's just one of a million examples.

At the guy above me: good point! I have never considered learning a champ in order to stomp people or gain Elo. I just play what's the most fun. Meh.

20 minute q because of max normal elo
:)
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 27 2011 01:32 GMT
#2245
lol regi shitting all over riot on stream XD its great
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 01:39:08
October 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#2246
Was checking the LoL forums and saw a bunch of threads shitting on Dignitas not explaining why they were. Looked for the TL LoL thread about drama couldn't find it, searched for it found my answer in the last few posts then realized why I couldn't find it, Evilteletubby closed the thread. Checked back on the LoL forum someone else was curious why Dignitas was getting shit too and he gets one word response.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1410953

Company game forums always so bad...

As for the issue itself anyone have what Dignitas said when they were trolling the other teams by not saying how they could have Jatt participate in two country WCG qualifiers? Also pretty bad that they didn't qualify (I think?) for either Canada or USA.

Edit: Although the thread claims it's because Dignitas asked for a second Bo3 after losing?
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 27 2011 01:37 GMT
#2247
Whoever designed Zilean needs to choke on a dick and die.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
October 27 2011 01:40 GMT
#2248
On October 27 2011 10:37 AwayFromLife wrote:
Whoever designed Zilean needs to choke on a dick and die.

I am guessing that you got pwned by his ult?
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 27 2011 01:42 GMT
#2249
Fuck the ult, that thing is dumb. His bombs are fucking stupid. Let's give a support that can't be caught a bomb that does so much fucking damage early game that you can't counter it and can be spammed at a huge fucking range so he's never in danger. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
October 27 2011 01:44 GMT
#2250
On October 27 2011 10:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
Fuck the ult, that thing is dumb. His bombs are fucking stupid. Let's give a support that can't be caught a bomb that does so much fucking damage early game that you can't counter it and can be spammed at a huge fucking range so he's never in danger. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 27 2011 01:45 GMT
#2251
On October 27 2011 10:44 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 10:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
Fuck the ult, that thing is dumb. His bombs are fucking stupid. Let's give a support that can't be caught a bomb that does so much fucking damage early game that you can't counter it and can be spammed at a huge fucking range so he's never in danger. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361

Fuck off, too pissed to give a shit.

User was temp banned for this post.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
October 27 2011 01:45 GMT
#2252
Awwww...I am sad now. Why can't we be friends?
Azerbaijan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States660 Posts
October 27 2011 01:47 GMT
#2253
While we are on the topic how are you supposed to deal with the bombs?
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
October 27 2011 01:48 GMT
#2254
The mechanics for Shyvana is up

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=16418194

So the resource system is similar to fury but now it's used to power the ultimate.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 27 2011 01:48 GMT
#2255
Please, try to rationalize to me a world in which Zilean makes any fucking sense and isn't completely broken in every aspect, k?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 27 2011 01:51 GMT
#2256
On October 27 2011 10:42 AwayFromLife wrote:
Fuck the ult, that thing is dumb. His bombs are fucking stupid. Let's give a support that can't be caught a bomb that does so much fucking damage early game that you can't counter it and can be spammed at a huge fucking range so he's never in danger. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

Zilean is not a support.

And as far as long range nukes and being impossible to catch, Zilean's not hugely out of line compared to stuff like Kassadin, Orianna, or Gragas.
Moderator
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
October 27 2011 01:52 GMT
#2257
On October 27 2011 10:48 AwayFromLife wrote:
Please, try to rationalize to me a world in which Zilean makes any fucking sense and isn't completely broken in every aspect, k?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220361
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 01:53:49
October 27 2011 01:52 GMT
#2258
People are mad at Dignitas because of a combination of things, imo. A lot of people are still angry about the Jatt situation which I think is part of it. Some people feel like Voyboy questioned WCG admins on the rules to purposefully get another bo3 out of it and they interpret Dignitas/Voyboy as being sore losers and complainers. Some of it is honestly just people who are all over CDE's nuts. I think most of the anger should be focused at WCG and not Dignitas.

And I'm pretty sold on Shyvana now. Will probably be my third day one buy.
AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
October 27 2011 01:56 GMT
#2259
On October 27 2011 10:47 Azerbaijan wrote:
While we are on the topic how are you supposed to deal with the bombs?

You don't. Fucking 700 range spell targeted that can hit for 20% of the target's health each time. Have fun trying to stay in lane against that.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 27 2011 01:57 GMT
#2260
Shyvana seems like she has a new mechanic, but it's really just another "autoattack -> reduce CDR" kinda deal, just in reverse.
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