EPTOn October 27 2011 05:55 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
YOU STARTED IT BACK THEN TOO DIDN'T YOU???
YOU STARTED IT BACK THEN TOO DIDN'T YOU???
Yea it was definitely him, lets get him!
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
Yea it was definitely him, lets get him! | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
I'm Lee sin My bot lane is pushed too far to gank. Mid is morgana against kassadin which I never tried to gank because of riftwalk. Though I guess I should have tried pre 6 to burn his flash. Top is Garen against Morg and I tried that twice but her shield makes her stupid hard to gank and every time she pushes far enough for a gank to be realistic I'm on the wrong side of the map getting double golems or counter jungling the noct. Also morg had wards up pretty much 100% of the time. Is it normal for morg to be hard to gank or I am doing something wrong? Should I try to position myself so I'm closer to a lane when it pushes too far and a gank is possible? I feel like I counterjungled well when there were no chances for ganks but I didn't get any kills or assists until the midgame started to hit and my team was not happy with me. Should I be getting oracles for ward clearing? We had support karma but I don't think she bought oracles or pink. I guess I could have tried a bush gank at top but again I always seemed to be to far away when I had a good chance to sneak in to the brush. I wasn't be useless though I don't think. I actively counter jungled and warded Nocts buffs/ Sorry if this is a lame post but my team called me a noob when I'm pretty sure I did what I could. Not sure what I could have better with they way my team was pushing but idk. any pointers would be helpful. | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 27 2011 05:53 AwayFromLife wrote: It wouldn't prove anything unless you could verify that they were on the same level. Grabbing a random person from TL and throwing them against Brees, who I dunno if he's good or whatever because I don't pay attention that much, doesn't show anything because neither is a pro player using him to the best of his ability. If only people would use Talon at a tournament and see how he performed... oh wait! Shit, we have statistics for that. What? His team won the 5 times he was able to be used in tournament level play with professional players? Of course that can't prove anything.... right? what makes you think a random person off TL won't be a pro player | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
Sorry my LoL replay wasn't running when I played this one ><. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
You best bet in this situation would probably be to sneak through the brush in bot lane while it's pushed. Pink ward dragon or grab an oracles if you feel like it would be a good idea. | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
I've actually just realized that I don't ever brush gank lol. I should try that out. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:18 UniversalSnip wrote: what makes you think a random person off TL won't be a pro player I'm sure there are some that frequent. Brees saying to some dude "play me 1v1" isn't going to prove shit, because I don't fucking know who Brees is or if he's good, and ditto for the other guy. If you want empirical evidence that shows if a champ is good or not, the only metric we have to measure that is professional, tournament level play. Those results were posted. Ergo, Talon is pretty fucking good. Edit: the obvious solution is to say that champs like Kog went 0-4, so it's biased. This is the only tournament that has detailed statistics about Talon, while Kog has others that he's been available for. If you take every tournament W/L/B for each champion recently, you'd see that good champions rise to the top statistically. Also, fuck Kog that guy sucks. Every one that plays on my team feeds early game because they don't realize that he's made of spit, tissue, and wishes. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
The idea that tournament results are the only valid way of trying anything out is just not worth refuting, w/e. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:39 UniversalSnip wrote: wth lol. Vayne was blatantly broken on release, pretty sure we all felt our experience of having her bow shoved up our butt was empirically valid even though she was seeing no tournament play. Do you doubt that, if she was given tournament ability during that time, that she wouldn't be picked/banned every game? And it's different. Talon is fucking strong in the hands of good players, alright in the hands of alright players. Vayne was three shotting people at all levels of play. Brokenly OP != really damn good, and brokenly OP is easier to see. The idea that tournament results are the only valid way of trying anything out is just not worth refuting, w/e. This is absurd. If you follow SC2, you'd know that. Blue Flame Hellions were known to be insane for the longest time, but there wasn't any tournament play that showed that off. Lo and behold, one MLG the SlayerS team showed off a Blue Flame Hellion build that shut down Zerg basically single-handedly, and they were subsequently nerfed. Tournament play is the highest level play, so you can only really extrapolate the true potential, UP or OP, of any unit/champion/build/playstyle from that. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
maybe finish ghostblade and CDR Boots? Dunno really what to build so i usually just go cloth + 5 into wriggles bruta then stack bloodthirsters and play safe till i can blow their carry up. if anyone can give me a decent item build that'd be nice. also is silence or q the one point wonder? im assuming silence but sometimes i max it first if i feel like the extra damage it brings iwll help me out(the % damage i mean) | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
When Talon first came out people were unsure about him. It didn't take very long though before he got played a lot. I really don't think anyone is seriously arguing that he's bad but I still really want the omega super battle to happen.  | ||
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:58 arb wrote: Maxing CDR on Talon worth it? 12% cdr off just bruta+masteries and my ult has 34sec on CD shtis kinda ridiculous. maybe finish ghostblade and CDR Boots? Dunno really what to build so i usually just go cloth + 5 into wriggles bruta then stack bloodthirsters and play safe till i can blow their carry up. if anyone can give me a decent item build that'd be nice. also is silence or q the one point wonder? im assuming silence but sometimes i max it first if i feel like the extra damage it brings iwll help me out(the % damage i mean) I like to open boot +3 pot -> 2 dorans blade -> brutalizer -> bloodthirster -> ghostblade You can get CDR boots if the other team isn't cc heavy, otherwise I still think merc treads is the best. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
it is a dumb ladder either you put bad people on your team to lower the elo so you can get fast queue times or you end up waiting 19 minutes in queue to play against a bunch of 1400 scrubs i now see why you deleted the ranked 5s top 10 page in favor of the solo queue one. i'm sorry for being an arrogant ass + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/2rmuq90.jpg) also, to anyone from CDE or whatever other teams might be playing against dignitas soon, i'll sell you dignitas' newest strategy | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On October 27 2011 06:14 Azerbaijan wrote: Ok so I am trying to be a better jungler but I keep ending up in situations where I don't know what I should do :/ I'm Lee sin My bot lane is pushed too far to gank. Mid is morgana against kassadin which I never tried to gank because of riftwalk. Though I guess I should have tried pre 6 to burn his flash. Top is Garen against Morg and I tried that twice but her shield makes her stupid hard to gank and every time she pushes far enough for a gank to be realistic I'm on the wrong side of the map getting double golems or counter jungling the noct. Also morg had wards up pretty much 100% of the time. Is it normal for morg to be hard to gank or I am doing something wrong? Should I try to position myself so I'm closer to a lane when it pushes too far and a gank is possible? I feel like I counterjungled well when there were no chances for ganks but I didn't get any kills or assists until the midgame started to hit and my team was not happy with me. Should I be getting oracles for ward clearing? We had support karma but I don't think she bought oracles or pink. I guess I could have tried a bush gank at top but again I always seemed to be to far away when I had a good chance to sneak in to the brush. I wasn't be useless though I don't think. I actively counter jungled and warded Nocts buffs/ Sorry if this is a lame post but my team called me a noob when I'm pretty sure I did what I could. Not sure what I could have better with they way my team was pushing but idk. any pointers would be helpful. Remember that gank presence is only ONE of the things a jungler brings to the game. Many people do not know how to assist a jungler gank, and other times you will get lanes that are extremely hard to gank (Morgana is notorious for this). Other things you should be aware of, in order of importance: 1) Do not lose towers. Take over for someone temporarily if need be. 2) Control dragon. You don't want to be dicking around top lane or in base when there's a dragon fight about to happen. The higher ELO you are, the more important dragon control is. 3) Gank exposed lanes (including bush gank). Clearly this wasn't the case in your game. 4) Countergank when appropriate (e.g you see enemy jungler running to bot lane, you should make your way over there if possible). Use judgment on this, because it could be a waste of time. 5) Clear your jungle, completely, ASAP. ->ALWAYS try to clear jungle whenever possible! 6) Counterjungle when appropriate (e.g. you are purple, and you see enemy jungler trying to gank your top lane but he's super safe; go ahead and clear his wraiths/red/golems as you see fit). If you have literally nothing else going on, go ahead and try to gank lanes that your teammates pushed up, but seriously you should prioritize map control and leveling. Remember ganks are only good if they put your team ahead (even if you DON'T kill), but they are not necessary in a game (contrary to belief). | ||
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spacemonkey4eve
United States267 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On October 27 2011 07:30 gtrsrs wrote: now i see why you guys bash ranked 5s so much it is a dumb ladder either you put bad people on your team to lower the elo so you can get fast queue times or you end up waiting 19 minutes in queue to play against a bunch of 1400 scrubs i now see why you deleted the ranked 5s top 10 page in favor of the solo queue one. i'm sorry for being an arrogant ass + Show Spoiler + also, to anyone from CDE or whatever other teams might be playing against dignitas soon, i'll sell you dignitas' newest strategy I have no idea what you're trying to say with this post except that you beat jatt and voyboi and are trying to brag about it | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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